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The Weather Radar in the VC is the same one as the CS Weather Radar (that is a separate purchase, but a free bonus in the 727 and can't be used in other aircraft). The CS Weather Radar also shows a hand and it too, doesn't open the 2D Weather Radar Panel. It is my opinion that this would be better added to the CS Weather Radar forum.

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It's just my opinion.

Mark

I would add the "HDG Switch" in VC does not switch to OFF

I am not sure if this is an issue or I am the only one noticing it in my sys. When I change heading I use the heading knob; Fine so far...If I use the wheel(rolling) on my mouse to adjust the heading pointer keeps turning all the way round until I click the mouse again to make it stop,and the use the knob to set it...

Yes, these "hanging" switch activations are somehow common but not a special Captain Sim problem in my eyes.

As for the other problem with the generators, I must say that I don't have this cfg line edited and get sufficient electrical power from the engines so far.
It just takes a second after APU shutdown and maybe a slightly higher idle power to let the engine generators "pop in" and the generator lights to come off. Switch positions should of course allow a feeding from the engines.

With that edited line you advise the model to always have ground power like feeding. I would agree on seeing this as a bug but as I said, for me it's not necessary as the generators are working.

avatar wrote on Oct 20^th, 2010 at 3:02pm:

I'll second that.

Mark

Bumping this a bit, sorry.

I spoke to some guys here and there and we came across the opinion that there are some more or less significant bugs on the 707, 727, 757, 767 remaining, even after e. g. Service Pack 4 on some products.

While this is a not so good statement towards beta testing in some eyes, I think the products itself lack of some (right made) user input.
What do I mean?

Well, I can see some guys complaining about this and that in forums but I can't read any report that they've issued tickets on those items.
As we all know and find comprehensible, the support at Captain Sim works through this system and therefor the complains in forums are "nice" but useless, if nobody clicks his Profile and issues a ticket.

I have to thank the guys working together on lists like this one or on the 707 one before, but these guys are the exceptions while the vast amount of remaining people just posts "this is not working", without pictures, without descriptions and without ever setting up a ticket.
So what do you expect to happen then?  

Some of you might have seen me in other forums too and fighting this "they still haven't fixed it" mentality of some, because just sitting there in front of a monitor and waiting for a dev to start fixing things although nobody ever reported them is somehow naive, don't you think?

So the purpose of this list and all others to come is to produce tickets for Captain Sim.
If they reject those (which they won't do and haven't done so far), you can start complaining, but not before.

Berlopez wrote on Oct 19^th, 2010 at 6:39pm:


It`s true. Very annoyng. You can crash a plane because of it.

Should be correct, cause it is a bug, not a improvement.

i will open a ticket.

I will correct this, thanks Lou.
Nice finding about the spelling, I will add this point to replace my tailskid description.

Joe, glad to have you in the list thread.

1- I really miss the stab trim noise;

2- It`s missing the altitude alert sound. The light is ok, but the noise is a must;
Some sounds of the 727 can be enabled if you load the pane a second time. The Alt alert is one of them. See point 1 of my list, that's a known bug.

3- The pressurization panel is mainly the -100. I really don`t know if there is any -200 with that panel. And it`s true, it`s not working at all.
You are saying the -200 did not have such a pressurization panel? Interesting. I'm very interested in some good 727 docs, you've mentioned them. Would be nice to see a link or something.

4- One thing that is weird, in principle, is flight dynamics.
Your point 4 is one thing I wanted to add to the list but I let go for some reason.
The main thing is that Captain Sim delivers the performance data of a very early 727-100 on all models (-200 and Freighter too).
So you have the smallest available engine in this bird and no later thrust improvement enabled. Especially the -200 and Freighter variants struggle with this fact and the only workaround is to edit the thrust by yourself.

5- Max epr is too low.
The EPR values of the engine model aren't a good basis for judging about the actual performance here.
Captain Sim uses the default FSX model and this causes all EPR stuff to be far off from any realistic values. "N" values are better here, same on the 707.

6- With power down to idle, lg retracted, theres a loud noise that the FE should reset by pulling a lever. In real life, the FE should antecipate the pilot comand to idle and pull the lever before the annoyng buzz come up. In my trainning days I`d have to pay some beers to the pilots for forgeting to do that.
Do you describe the gear warning in point 6?

Thanks for your help on this, finally some life in the 727 list and I can tell you guys that the 757 and 767 list will be the biggest one of all, so keep up your motivation.  

Wow, you've just saved me plenty of time here. I always got sick when thinking about all those tickets needed and now you've just copied the items.

Great work, Captain Sim. Big thanks here.

Prepare for the 757 and 767, won't be easy, I can tell. Just give me a day or two and they will be online with pictures.  

Thanks CoolP for the great thread! Hopefully we will get everything fixed by working together with Captainsim.

Here is a list of the bugs I've found after doing a flight on the 727-100 another company with the PAN American livery. I currently own only the basic package so I haven't tested all models yet.

Bugs(please ignore any items already listed on the first page):

1- Pressurization not working at all, it does not matter if it is in manual or auto mode. It looks to me as if there is no functioning outflow valves at all. The air just comes from the outside as if it was an unpressurized airplane.

2- Engine Generators only work if you keep the switch in the "up" position leaving them closed. They should pop back to the middle after closing, but if you do that you loose your electrical system after some time, that's why people have to add lines to the cfg to make the battery less forever.

3- The HSI displays the HDG FAIL flag when there are no VORs selected. It should be a NAV FLAG instead.

4- Regarding the Audio Panel, only the Flight Engineer one works, the Captain's and F/O's appears to be only a dummy panel.

5- In my system I am unable to use the pitch mode of the autopilot, only the altitude hold works, whenever I press the pitch "wheel" there is no change at all.

6- The HDG mode on the auto pilot does not come off when you engadge the NAV LOC, it has to be put off manually. It should be automatic.

7- The Flight Director sometimes is connected with the autopilot and sometimes not. It varied between my flights.

8- The Flight Director mode annunciator and the Autopilot mode annunciator are operating "together". What I mean by that is if I engadge the HDG mode on the Flight Director there is no light on the annunciator, but if I engadge the HDG mode on the autopilot the Flight Directors annunciator is the one illuminated.(I will take a screenshot of this behavior when I can)

9- The DME 2 display on the Captain's side is displaying DME 1 info.

10- The F/O's HSI is showing NAV 1 info and there is no way to change it.

11- The HDG mode button does not work in the VC.

That's it for now.

Gabriel Silva

3- The pressurization panel is mainly the -100. I really don`t know if there is any -200 with that panel. And it`s true, it`s not working at all.
You are saying the -200 did not have such a pressurization panel? Interesting. I'm very interested in some good 727 docs, you've mentioned them. Would be nice to see a link or something.


Not true! Many of the -200 had the old style pressure control panel.

Lou

Regarding sounds (avionics, etc.) - you can substitute another sound pack.  I'm currently using the HJG 'B727-100 Early' sound pack, and it's pretty good.  It's free, and can be found at http://simviation.com/hjg/sounds/boeing.htm

(I've also tried the DF 727 for FS9's sounds, and they also work....still missing the trim wheel sounds, but the rest is good).

On the  FLIGHT ENGINEER UPPER PANEL
the animation and function swicth of "External Power Switch" dosen't work and the light of  External Power Connected Light (Clear) is always on.
This is very important I think.


I hope they can fix the majority of those bug because  i think this is a very great aircraft for FSX you really fill to be in office. 
And is still an aicraft used this days for short leg nad give lot's of work.

I'm with CoolP on the External Power light. When External Power is OFF the light still looks like it is ON. Looking at the images that he has shown in his post, you can see a difference in the brightness between ON and OFF, although it does look like the light bulb is glowing. It is much clearer when you get in close like in the images, not as noticeable from further away.

Mark

Mark wrote...

I'm with CoolP on the External Power light. When External Power is OFF the light still looks like it is ON. Looking at the images that he has shown in his post, you can see a difference in the brightness between ON and OFF, although it does look like the light bulb is glowing. It is much clearer when you get in close like in the images, not as noticeable from further away.

The neon light only shows that the EP (external power) plug is connected. BOTH METERS & ESSENTAIL SELECTORS ARE SELECTED TO EP!



Before closing (ON) the EP switch you must check the volts & freqs.
Selecting the switch to ON or ground service connects the EP to the aircraft busses. You then select Essential power to external to power all the busses.



Here you see the external power is plugged in but the switch is off and both the meter selector [lower] and essential power selector are selected to external power, yet the meter [lower] is showing nothing. This is not correct for the meter selector- the meter selector should show something! The essential power should show nothing as it is indeed not powered - hence the red light for failure.

You must be able to select the meter switch to the external source to check it's volts and freqs before powering the aircraft. The meters should show volts & freqs (~120volts & ~400 cycles). I went over to the 707 and it's the same problem.

The external switch is a magnetic switch which has logic. The logic is that no two sources can power the plane at the same time. If EP is selected and you start an engine and close the generator switch (MGR main generator relay) the EP trips. If you close the AGR (aux generator relay - APU) the external switch trips or the engine trips, which ever is powering the aircraft. Same on the 707.

NOTE: I am not able to get the external switch to stay up (ON). I get it to snap up, but it returns to off and will not stay engaged.  Huummmmmm?????

Maybe this isn't so important: I have started a thread about it; Pushback and turns aren't possible? As I say in my new thread I had installed Rob berengredts' gauge to be able to do this: I like to start my flights as realistically as possible from the gate...But turns aren't possible.

Mark: Thanks for your reply; Yes I have studied this carefuly and have also read the help section of FSX; But my 727 doesn't like pushback turns...It pushes back only in straight  lines...That's why when I realized I had this problem I searched and found Rob Baredregts' Ground Handling gauge  which fixes this issue, But at the same time adds a very annoying brake sound. I began with this issue already in V2.2 of the 727 cap. I had all the posts in the forum,But I guess they got old and dusty and since have been deleted.

Knowing that my system struggles I just attemted again a pushback from the gate.
I loaded FSX with my default flight at the runway; Then I moved the Cessna to a gate with a tug,by choosing it via the options menu,Not by Slewing. Once ther I loaded the 727,loaded all the views and then Presses Shift+p inmediately fallowed by 1 or 2...The plane only began to move backwards...After a distance of aproximately the main gear and front gear it should beggin´to turn...?

It keeps on going straight backwards...?

I have the same issue with my Super VC10

Hi Mark: The gauge is:RCBgh-50.zip:  Groundhandling gauges for FSX aircraft                #
#                                                                      #
#                        By Rob Barendregt

And it's possibel to turn  the sound down,But nnot completely; I experimented deleting the sound file and the gauge went haywire.And  Because of my accidents with mcafee and theire bug; Which by the way I finally got my compensation and a free one years' subcription...And all the formatting I've had to do to save my computer I've lost the e-mails Rob had sent me with the intructions how to reduce the brake sound, Nevertheless I don't understand why my 727 doesn't turn using default FSX commands...Can it be a memory problem?

It is true what you say Mark The distance before the plane beggins to make the turn is usually the distance between the main and front gear.
I just tried again...Loading 727 after default then moving it to agate with a pushback truck and pressing shift+p and inmediately 2...Still it only goes straight...?
I stand corrected Mark Rob gives intructions in his read me how to reduce the volume of the brakes sound.

Berlopez wrote on Nov 4^th, 2010 at 7:48pm:


Are you pressing shift+p then 1 or 2 on the number pad or the top row?  If you are pressing the number pad and your num lock is off, then I think it won't work.

audiohavoc wrote on Nov 5^th, 2010 at 12:35am:
I do it by pressing Shift+P then 1 or 2 on the top row (not the numpad 1 or 2). There is definitely something wrong with the pushback on the 727 when compared to the rest of my FSX aircraft (default or add-on). If you have the 727 at Gate where backing out is going to be a squeeze, there is no way it will turn much before you have stop it. In that kind of situation, your best bet would be to either park at a better Gate or use the slew command to turn the 727.

Mark

Please verify this, if is a bug or a corrupted installation.

When the taxi and landing lights are off, continue the light´s reflections in the fuselage.

Haven't had any trim problems so far.
I can only think of some guys using an acceleration setting in the FSX options which therefor repeats the command very fast or they have some custom FSUIPC or whatever (Joystick software for example) settings which interfere with the original trim response on this bird.

I'm using the standard key command of FSX, bound to joystick buttons. No big acceleration set and no custom settings at FSUIPC configured and she trims just fine.

What's your setup then?

TedStriker wrote on Dec 4^th, 2010 at 4:42pm:


Ted -

No, you are correct. I reinstalled some of the 2.3 mods to fix probs with 2.4 (altitude rollover, MDA light, don't sink...)

I also get no cockpit sounds, no matter what I do (reload the plane, set soundoffwhenslew=0 you name it).

I haven't checked the MDA light so far (had my eyes somewhere I think) but are we still having the problem with "don't sink" and the altimeter rollover?

I can't remember experiencing them in 2.4 but I might have been distracted on those two too of course.

Thanks LOU. It was a good solution.
Sanal

I definitely had to apply the altitude rollover fix and the don't sink fix to 2.4. I also applied the new flight model, EPR, MDA light and a few gauge fixes I found out there.

It seems that the don't sink warning is tied to the throttle. As long as I stay at or above glide slope I am OK. If I get below and have to add more power, I get the "don't sink". It goes away after I back off the throttle.

Ted

A problem which can be seen quite often on the analog gauges, not only CS ones.
Mainly a problem of the actual time a new number "rolls over" to show your current altitude.

Being at e. g. 12900ft might give you 13900 showing up because the thousands already rolled while the hundreds are behind.
This happen here and there, so coming down from 10.000 and going to 9.900 could be a problem too.
Strange fact: as some digital gauges use the rollover effect too, they suffer from the same problem which really becomes one if you stay at that altitude where the rollever wants to happen but can't because you are not descending or climbing.

Might be that I got used to this flaw when climbing or descending on the 727 but I had it lately on another plane where I tried to stay at 13.000 and got "13900" all the time (the "3" already was fully established, no sign of the still 10% active "2").
So the actual test scenario is one where the thousands or ten thousands should roll over to a new number. The direction doesn't matter, just try to fly at e. g. 10.000 or 20.000 and watch the numbers when going slightly up or down.

Maybe some of this behavior is intended (for some unknown reason) but I usually expect it to happen like on an old automobile. The numbers roll over slowly, so 25.000 miles or something give you a half view on the 2 and the 3 on the first digit.

Ok, I'm glad. Next time I give you a long explanation then. 

Maybe already mentioned but these stick out in my memory:

1.  No stick shaker stall warning when stall test is activated and no stick shaker sound prior to stall.

2.  No takeoff config warning horn.

3.  No landing gear config warning horn (might be there but I don't recall).

CoolP wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 3:59pm:


According to a 727 pilot's review of the Captain Sim 727 for FSX, these are missing features.  I don't know if they were options or available equipment from the start though, but considering that the CS 727 has a stall test and a gear cutout horn, it should at least have those systems functioning.  The takeoff warning alarm would be nice to have too.

CoolP wrote on Mar 12^th, 2011 at 4:57pm:


THANKS! And thank you for being proactive and taking an initiative in getting these issues resolved.  If CS fixes all of these issues, then the 727 will be near perfect with the flight model mod.

I just bought the 727 myself last night...she is a real beauty.

IMO, the remaining bugs do not really detract from operating and enjoying this aircraft.  That said, I still tried to fix some of these little issues.

So far I have fixed the non functioning heading select switch in the vc.  All it took was some hex editing and now it works perfectly.  I'll post the fix in a separate thread eventually.  I also want to get CS's approval first.

I will see if I can fix any of the other bugs as well.  For the smoke issue, all you have to do is press "i" to get the black smoke.  I'll probably make an xml gauge that automatically triggers this.

Hi, Julio.  

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That's a matter of fact since the list was done with the 2.4 plane. So the next update will be 2.5 and, as you can read from Tanya, they will take the list into account there.
I'd like to see them fixed too, but it doesn't stop me from using the 727 so far.

tell me about it I love the aircraft but the endless list of problems is just disgraceful. I hate having to reload the aircraft twice so that stuff works and with the amount of aircraft i have in my list this process can take at least 15minutes :S

Apparently the reload requirement is not only necessary for the sounds to work, but also required in order to properly restore the saved cockpit status. i.e. switch positions

Here's a quick test to prove it:
-start a new flight and turn OFF all of the hydraulic switches on the overhead panel.
-Save flight and exit fsx
-start fsx and load flight...switches will be back in the ON position.
-re-load saved flight....now switches will be in the OFF position as you had saved them.

I wonder what other variables are not properly restored upon the first load.....

Virtual_Captain wrote on Jul 8^th, 2011 at 8:36pm:

Like CoolP, I have not saved mid-flight, or at any point after first loading the 727, lately, to see if it does that.
But if that's what gets it back to a saved panel state, it's better than nothing.

TedStriker wrote on Dec 4^th, 2010 at 4:42pm:


Can someone tell me where to find the altimeter rollover fix? I searched the forum here but to no avail.

Thx
Mark

Ted -

No, you are correct. I reinstalled some of the 2.3 mods to fix probs with 2.4 (altitude rollover, MDA light, don't sink...)

I also get no cockpit sounds, no matter what I do (reload the plane, set soundoffwhenslew=0 you name it). [/quote]

Have been fooling with this 727 for a few weeks and many problems occur. Support keeps telling me it has been covered in the forums. I have done everything they list and still , no cabin announcements . I reload the aircraft and they work off and on. Most of time when I reload the aircaraft fsx stops working altopgether and I have to start it again. It has to be something with this aircraft as I had not had any problems with fsx for a few years. I removed the 727 twice, re installed still same thing happens .  When I remove it fsx operates great as usual. Any help would be appreciated, I will be very cautious about purchasing any others from them, tech support just keeps referring me back to the forum .