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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #45 - Dec 4th, 2010 at 10:18pm
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TedStriker wrote on Dec 4th, 2010 at 4:42pm:
I installed version 2.4 but I found that I still needed to install a lot of the mods posted here and at avsim, specifically the cfg fix to slow down the trimming speed, the EPR fix, the altimeter rollover fix, and the don't sink fix. I don't see these bugs listed in this thread, so I am wondering if I didn't install version 2.4 correctly. Would someone tell me if version 2.4 corrected these items from the mod1.1 on this forum and the version 2.3 mods from avsim?
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Ted -

No, you are correct. I reinstalled some of the 2.3 mods to fix probs with 2.4 (altitude rollover, MDA light, don't sink...)

I also get no cockpit sounds, no matter what I do (reload the plane, set soundoffwhenslew=0 you name it).
  
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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #46 - Dec 5th, 2010 at 7:38pm
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Thanks Matt, I just wanted to make sure it wasn't a problem with my machine before I submitted the list of issues.
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Reply #47 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 8:44pm
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I haven't checked the MDA light so far (had my eyes somewhere I think) but are we still having the problem with "don't sink" and the altimeter rollover?

I can't remember experiencing them in 2.4 but I might have been distracted on those two too of course.
  
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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #48 - Dec 9th, 2010 at 3:03pm
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CoolP,

I fixed the "Don't Sink" by going into the FSX directory and I just renamed the "Don't Sink" voice to .old that got rid of the voice, but it really should not be giving this warning on landing. The "Don't Sink" is a takeoff warning only. It was designed to warn of any less then positive climb after takeoff. An example would be an engine failure on takeoff resulting in a negative rate of climb.

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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #49 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 4:38am
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Thanks LOU. It was a good solution.
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Reply #50 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 1:48pm
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Hi, Lou.

Maybe I did this small modification a long time ago and can't remember it but I didn't have any "don't sink" since a long time.
I have to look up my flight sim files later.

I was just asking if the mentioned problems are still present in the 2.4 model.
As you see, my memory plays tricks on me as I can't remember MDA light or altitude rollover problems too on this version and therefor the are not on the list.

The shortest way for people still getting annoyed by this stuff would be a ticket and a small report in this thread that one is on the way.
If this stuff is still present, then the real solution towards it aren't user modifications but a small fix from the company of course.

The current "fix" for don't sink is a workaround only (and therefor needs a real fix) as it disables the sound, so you don't get the right warnings after takeoff too while you just suppress hearing the wrong ones at the approach.
So the sound trigger is still active but you just don't hear a thing.
Maybe they can make it more throttle depended because you have a more or less full throttle setting at takeoff while you are far lower at the approach.

I applaud to every user for reprogramming gauges (rollover fix and MDA) or asking himself how to fix "don't sink", that's for sure.
But if 2.5 will make this stuff obsolete (because all things got company fixed, as a consequence from the mentioned tickets), it would be perfect.
  
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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #51 - Dec 11th, 2010 at 9:33pm
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I definitely had to apply the altitude rollover fix and the don't sink fix to 2.4. I also applied the new flight model, EPR, MDA light and a few gauge fixes I found out there.

It seems that the don't sink warning is tied to the throttle. As long as I stay at or above glide slope I am OK. If I get below and have to add more power, I get the "don't sink". It goes away after I back off the throttle.

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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #52 - Dec 12th, 2010 at 6:32am
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I changed a couple of lines in the aircraft.cfg for the "don't sink" warning:

What is the "altitude rollover" problem?

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Reply #53 - Dec 12th, 2010 at 6:36pm
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A problem which can be seen quite often on the analog gauges, not only CS ones.
Mainly a problem of the actual time a new number "rolls over" to show your current altitude.

Being at e. g. 12900ft might give you 13900 showing up because the thousands already rolled while the hundreds are behind.
This happen here and there, so coming down from 10.000 and going to 9.900 could be a problem too.
Strange fact: as some digital gauges use the rollover effect too, they suffer from the same problem which really becomes one if you stay at that altitude where the rollever wants to happen but can't because you are not descending or climbing.

Might be that I got used to this flaw when climbing or descending on the 727 but I had it lately on another plane where I tried to stay at 13.000 and got "13900" all the time (the "3" already was fully established, no sign of the still 10% active "2").
So the actual test scenario is one where the thousands or ten thousands should roll over to a new number. The direction doesn't matter, just try to fly at e. g. 10.000 or 20.000 and watch the numbers when going slightly up or down.

Maybe some of this behavior is intended (for some unknown reason) but I usually expect it to happen like on an old automobile. The numbers roll over slowly, so 25.000 miles or something give you a half view on the 2 and the 3 on the first digit.
  
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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #54 - Dec 12th, 2010 at 11:08pm
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Thanks CoolP.

I know what it means now. Grin

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Reply #55 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 4:45pm
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Ok, I'm glad. Next time I give you a long explanation then.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #56 - Mar 11th, 2011 at 5:30pm
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I've edited the DME/independant FO side issue.

My wish is to have the setup like on the current 1.3 707, where you have both DME values visible on every side.
The current 727 looks like this.

Same DME value doubled.

It would be nice to have this.

Both DME values visible.


Independent DME readings on each side

User modification, no official support from CS available!

To make the two DME readings on each side more useful, you can alter some settings in the panel.cfg and achieve some independent readings, like on the 707 in version 1.3.
See the pictures to spot the difference. The first one shows you the current setup, so you can read the Nav1 DME twice while the Nav2 DME only can be seen on the FO's side.
The second one gives you the Nav1 DME in the RMI and the Nav2 DME in the DME gauge (digital), so both DME readings are visible at once.

To enable the "switched" setup, just open the panel.cfg of the corresponding model and look into [VCockpit01]
There's a line
gauge27=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.L15!L15_001_dme,      499,799, 90,30
alter all "L" to "R" here, giving you
gauge27=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.R15!R15_001_dme,      499,799, 90,30

Next, the other way around, [VCockpit07] and this line
gauge22=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.R15!R15_001_dme,      499,799, 90,30
alter all "R" to "L" there.

So you mainly exchange the gauges and their reference reading (Nav1 and 2), no big deal. Works fine, as you can see above.

  
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Re: List of Bugs after 2.4 - Comments needed
Reply #57 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 6:20am
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Maybe already mentioned but these stick out in my memory:

1.  No stick shaker stall warning when stall test is activated and no stick shaker sound prior to stall.

2.  No takeoff config warning horn.

3.  No landing gear config warning horn (might be there but I don't recall).

  

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Reply #58 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 3:59pm
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Thanks for your input.  Smiley

1.  No stick shaker stall warning when stall test is activated and no stick shaker sound prior to stall.
Did this 727 setup actually have stick shakers?
Ok, just looked it up in the manuals, you are right of course.
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The stall warning system components are as follows: an angle of airflow sensor, a flap position transmitter, a stall warning computer,  a control column  shaker motor and a  landing gear safety  (oleo "squat") switch circuit.


2.  No takeoff config warning horn.
Did it have this item? The 707 did though and I couldn't make it work there (have to add this to the list, I guess).

3.  No landing gear config warning horn (might be there but I don't recall).
Can't remember hearing it too, but there's a cutout lever, so it should be there.
  
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Reply #59 - Mar 12th, 2011 at 4:53pm
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CoolP wrote on Mar 12th, 2011 at 3:59pm:
Thanks for your input.  Smiley

1.  No stick shaker stall warning when stall test is activated and no stick shaker sound prior to stall.
Did this 727 setup actually have stick shakers?

2.  No takeoff config warning horn.
Did it have this item? The 707 did though and I couldn't make it work there (have to add this to the list, I guess).

3.  No landing gear config warning horn (might be there but I don't recall).
Can't remember hearing it too, but there's a cutout lever, so it should be there.


According to a 727 pilot's review of the Captain Sim 727 for FSX, these are missing features.  I don't know if they were options or available equipment from the start though, but considering that the CS 727 has a stall test and a gear cutout horn, it should at least have those systems functioning.  The takeoff warning alarm would be nice to have too.
  

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