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Starting Engines on B-52 Driver
Dec 12th, 2010 at 1:51am
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Hi. I''ve tried for several hours to get the engines started on this thing since I upgrade to it with no luck. I'm older and my vision isn't the best and this panel dosen't help since some buttons have tool tips and some don't, and the panels aren't the easiest to read. Here again tool tips would help. So if anyone who has got this flying knows an easy way to get this fired up and can help I would greatly appreciate it.
  
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Re: Starting Engines on B-52 Driver
Reply #1 - Dec 12th, 2010 at 3:44am
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Try this:

On the Co-Pilots Side Panel.

B14. BATTERY SWITCH PANEL -
Turn on the Battery Switch (Shift+M) - Pressing Shift+M also turns on the 4 Generator Switches listed in the next section.

B01. ELECTRICAL PANEL -
Turn ON the Main External Power Switch.
Turn ON the 4 Generator Switches.
Turn the Frequency And Voltmeter Selector Switch to CENTRAL TIP BUS

B07. ENG START CONTROL PANEL
Turn on the Starter Switches for the engine you want to start first, they are in pairs (1 & 2, 3 & 4, 5 & 6 and 7 & 8).

I'm working on something more substantial, but I can and did get them started that way. Also. I did pull all engines into reverse (F2), then I returned them to the stop position (F1), then move them slightly forward of the stop (F3). I do this when N2 reaches 20%.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Starting Engines on B-52 Driver
Reply #2 - Dec 12th, 2010 at 8:19pm
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Thanks for the help. I got the engines started but never got off the ground. I realized why I don't fly any airplanes with this 3D cockpit only. Plus I'm not tring to be a real pilot so I don't need to study hours before I can fly the thing. To much like work. I un-installed this airplane and went back to the buff model with my panel that I can fly with the time I have. The money lost on this is a lesson learned. Thanks again.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 12th, 2010 at 9:13pm
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I agree to fsxpaul, don't give up yet. You've bought the "Driver" so there isn't a simple on/off switch and there surely isn't too much detail but something in between.

I'm actually really glad about some more or less tricky things and the standard cockpit from the Buff version might have been tricky to new pilots too, don't you think? You have just got used to it and the same approach might be needed here.
Enjoy your stuff, this nice B-52 is worth some reading at the beginning.

As you see, one just has to wait some days to see those video tutorials coming up. Maybe they help you then. I appreciate the work from those guys.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 12:13am
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The trusty old default CTRL+E will get your engines started if you don't want to do it the way I mentioned earlier. I just thought that you meant a manual engine start. There are probably still a few switches that you need to turn on or you might have problems.

These are the GYRO POWER switches for Pilot and Co-Pilot, MACH IND, YAW and PITCH ENGAGE switches and the FLIGHT DIRECTOR switch. I can't think of any others that MUST be ON. ANTI SKID should be ON but it flies fine if it is OFF (I don't know about landing without it).

Just keep trying. You will get there.

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Reply #5 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 2:37am
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Thanks folks. I'm back where I started before "Driver" and flying the "Buff" along without a hitch. Thanks again to everyone for your help. One question to the folks at Captain Sim though and that is, if you are going to add tool tips to some buttons why not all? OOPS maybe that's not logical thinking because it might help the learning curb for an old guy like me. Forgive my little rant. Thanks again everyone, lol, bye.
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 12th, 2010 at 4:58pm
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I've put together a video that shows one method of an engine starting sequence.
There is NO SOUND in the video! Maybe I'll fix that later Smiley

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8J_H4vWD57M
  
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Reply #7 - Dec 13th, 2010 at 4:50pm
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hmm, tried the same sequence as the video but still no dice on my end...

and CTRL+E is not working for me as well

would like to get the BUFF started and flying already!
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 14th, 2010 at 12:58am
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I have found two important things I have to do to start the engines.

When you first get into the B-52, pull the throttles all the way back. Hold F2 until they stop (I can get by with just tapping the F2 key to pull the throttle levers below 0%).
As I start each engine, I must move the throttle forward beyond the Stop position.

Here is the way I do it.

Starting engine #3 first (not sure if it is the correct checklist procedure).
I press the "E" key followed by the "3" key. Once it reaches 20% N2, I press F1 then F3. I really only need to tap both of those keys once. Once the engine is running I press F1 again to bring the throttle lever back to 0%.
I do this for engines #4, #2 & #1.

"E" key followed by "4" key for engine #4.
"E" key followed by "2" key for engine #2.
"E" key followed by "1" key for engine #1.

To get control of ALL the engines I press the "E" key followed by "1" "2" "3" "4" keys (in quick succession).

If you have a Yoke or Joystick with throttle reverser, I would think that you should be able start your engines easily.

I can start my engines first time very time using that method.

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Reply #9 - Dec 14th, 2010 at 1:59pm
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I am thinking of buying the B52 but i am concerned that people are having issues starting up. I have read that some people can only get engines 4-8 going but then engines 1-2 shut down the whole plane.

Are these issues due to the nature of the B52 systems, or is it that there is a bug that is yet to be resolved?
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 14th, 2010 at 4:22pm
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Just recheked, engines starting up OK. From our cold flight it runs with Ctrl+E like a charm.

Most likely all issues here have been caused by wrong throttle/cutoff positions.

This is a magic formula from Bill Gates:
Ctrl+Shift+F4  then F1  then Ctrl+E



  
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Reply #11 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:09am
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Captain Sim wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 4:22pm:
Just recheked, engines starting up OK. From our cold flight it runs with Ctrl+E like a charm.

Most likely all issues here have been caused by wrong throttle/cutoff positions.

This is a magic formula from Bill Gates:
Ctrl+Shift+F4 then F1 then Ctrl+E




i did all of this and still no fuel flow,is there a way to start it like real cold and dark coming out the box like the PPMMDDGG 747 where u have a cold and dark mission and a rdy to go mission,fsx always start it with some control open,ive been on this since about 4 hours and no result,the manuel is useless for this part and i watched the no sound video and half of comment is the same prob as me help me thx
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:57pm
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You can start engines short way (using FSX hotkeys) of a long way (using cockpit controls), whatever it is but fuel cutoff must be OFF (Ctrl+Shift+F4) and trottle at IDLE (F1) BEFORE ignition.

Again, most likely all issues mentioned here have been caused by wrong throttle/fuel cutoff valve positions.

  
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Reply #13 - Dec 16th, 2010 at 6:37pm
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Captain Sim wrote on Dec 16th, 2010 at 3:57pm:
You can start engines short way (using FSX hotkeys) of a long way (using cockpit controls), whatever it is but fuel cutoff must be OFF (Ctrl+Shift+F4) and trottle at IDLE (F1) BEFORE ignition.

Again, most likely all issues mentioned here have been caused by wrong throttle/fuel cutoff valve positions.


still not working,by doing ur magic formula u just ear fake engine start and the sound is just glitchy,u always think ohhh ohhh its gonna start and no the sound start again even on 128time faster no result
  
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Reply #14 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 5:38am
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I've added a new video that shows a fast start from Cold-n-Dark (there's audio this time!)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nkZppl-3KWo
  
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Reply #15 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:26pm
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Hello, i have a rather special problem when starting engines.
I can manually start engine 7and 8, 6 and 5, 4 and 3 and when i start 2 and 1 the other 6 engines go down.
It seems if all the fuel ic cut off.
Engines won't start witrh CTR+E.
Any suggestions??
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Reply #16 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 3:30pm
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Still forgot something.
When calling the buff in fsx, he always comes with engines shut down, altough standard my saved flight is with engine on.
Have not this problem with other AC.
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Reply #17 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 6:18pm
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If you're having troubles with your windows too then this thread may help with your starting problems:

http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1292337915
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 17th, 2010 at 7:28pm
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To sumup: a few people have issues with engines, while most people don't. To consider this issue we need detailed tickets from these who have the issues. Thanks.
  
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Reply #19 - Dec 18th, 2010 at 1:29pm
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Captain Sim wrote on Dec 17th, 2010 at 7:28pm:
To sumup: a few people have issues with engines, while most people don't. To consider this issue we need detailed tickets from these who have the issues. Thanks.



You have made this aircraft to difficult to operate. I have uninstalled and reinstalled 3 times. Same issues , windows won't close,engines won't start( I have tried all the suggestions in this thread)
So I unistalled and am now just using the Buff model..

Capt Sim-I like your aircraft but I hesitate to purchase any more if they are difficult to operate as the  B-52.

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Re: Starting Engines on B-52 Driver
Reply #20 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 12:32am
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Yesterday. I had a strange thing happen.

I loaded a saved B-52 Cold-N-Dark flight. The widows were open and I couldn't close them. I decided not to worry about it and continued on. A little later, I had taken off and was climbing through 5000' (roughly) when I tried to close the windows again. It worked. I might have been able to close them earlier, but because I had decided not to worry about it, I hadn't tried again.

The only other time I couldn't close the windows was in multiplayer.

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Reply #21 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 1:17am
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I've had the same issue with the windows. When loading the Cold-n-Dark save (KNKX) my windows are always open. I click on each one and I can hear the audible close sound but they won't close. . .right away. If I wait about 30-45 seconds they will both close. . .strange behavior. I have set the aircraft reload per your suggestion in another post to Ctrl + Shift + R and when the B-52 reloads the windows will be closed.
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 19th, 2010 at 11:25am
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My problem is strange...If i continue press ctrl-alt-f4 the engine start but if i release the buttons they shout down.......Any guess?
  
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Reply #23 - Dec 20th, 2010 at 6:54am
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I click on each one and I can hear the audible close sound but they won't close. . .right away. If I wait about 30-45 seconds they will both close. . .strange behavior. I have set the aircraft reload per your suggestion in another post to Ctrl + Shift + R and when the B-52 reloads the windows will be closed.
As it turns out. This is what mine does. Wait about 30 seconds, the windows close. Doing the Ctrl + Shift + R to reload the B-52 works and everything is good like it should be. Really strange indeed.

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Reply #24 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 10:58am
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Plz give me an answer i want to fly my BUFF!!!!!!
  
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Reply #25 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 11:35am
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What does pressing CTRL+ALT+F4 do in your FSX? I don't have a keyboard shortcut that uses that combination (nor is one listed in the default keyboard shortcuts) so it means nothing to me. Sorry, but until I know that I can't help you.

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Reply #26 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 1:54pm
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CTRL-SHIFT-F4 is for "Mixture full rich" and in the other airplane of my sim it doesn't give problems but here.......I repeat if i keep pressing the combination the engines start but if i release that buttons the engines shuts down......It's very strange. I try to assign an axis for this function but without succes....
  
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Reply #27 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 4:31pm
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It sounds to me like your throttle levers are somehow being pulled into reverse, which on the B-52 Driver, is the engine cutoff position.

Are you using a Joystick/Yoke/Throttle quadrant that has the ability to pull the throttle levers into reverse? If you do. Try disabling your controller (CTRL+K) and THEN starting the engines. See if they remain running that way. And if they do, you will know it's the throttle controller you are using.

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Reply #28 - Dec 22nd, 2010 at 7:47pm
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Thank you very much MArkoz  Wink but the problem is still the same..... Embarrassed
  
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Reply #29 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:16am
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I was also unable to start and keep engines running and my control colum was locked. Also, the side windows wouldn't close.

I did a complete uninstall (including the registry), then downloaded the exterior, then downloaded the B52 Driver update, installed both, now all is fine. Looks like there was originally a problem with my online verification which as a security feature, kept everything locked.

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Reply #30 - Dec 23rd, 2010 at 9:08am
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Tonyla1 wrote on Dec 23rd, 2010 at 6:16am:
I was also unable to start and keep engines running and my control colum was locked. Also, the side windows wouldn't close.

I did a complete uninstall (including the registry), then downloaded the exterior, then downloaded the B52 Driver update, installed both, now all is fine. Looks like there was originally a problem with my online verification which as a security feature, kept everything locked.

Hope this helps

Now that's one worth remembering! Thanks Tonyla1.

It is interesting to note that sometimes the download is not 100% complete even though it says it is. I had funny things happen on my 757-300 Expansion Pack that were only solved by getting new links and downloading it again and installing it from my new download.

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Reply #31 - Feb 3rd, 2011 at 9:59am
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Hi im from germany so i will write in german and english

Ich hab mir die b52 geholt und will nun starten allerdings funktionieren keines der vielen tutorials,es fliet kein treibstoff egal was ich mache ich habe sp 2 und acceleration also wei ich nicht was das problem ist

i bought the b 52 and im trying to start but it doesnt works,i have watched many of tutorials but they are not working. i have sp 2 and acceleration and i dont know whats the matter -.-
  
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Reply #32 - Feb 28th, 2011 at 3:47pm
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After starting the engines (after about 2 minutes, while still taxiing) they fail; this happenes allways.
After starting them again, they keep running Huh.

Because this is structural, I allways keep this in mind and wait for this before taking off Smiley


Edit: just had a flight at which the engines kept running from the beginning  Smiley
  

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Reply #33 - Mar 18th, 2011 at 6:56pm
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I feel a lot like Thomas Edison: I know a lot of ways that won't start the engines.  Unlike Edison, I don't know a single way that will start them.

Ctrl-E from the Cold Dark flight does NOT work.

F2 until cutoff, Ctrl-Shift F4, F1, Ctrl-E does NOT work.

F2 to cutoff, F1 at 20%, F3 doesn't work either.

E1,2,3,4 doesn't do anything...

None of the manual methods shown in various videos work although they seem quite logical.

None of the methods suggested in this thread or any linked threads work.  FWIW, one link to a video (early in this thread) is broken.

The closest method is to HOLD Ctrl-Shift F4 until the engines spool up gets them fired but releasing the buttons just shuts them down.  BTW, it would have been helpful to know that HOLDING Ctrl-Shift-F4 was important.

I have reinstalled B52 Driver (over the top of the previous incantation) with no change - Version 1.0, BTW.  I have FX SP2 so I didn't uninstall/reinstall the simulator.

But the reason this B52 is destined to be a hangar queen: even in the  Cleared For Takeoff flight, where one might assume the engines were running, only 2 engines were started and THEY shut down.

Somewhere in this process there is something missing.


  
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Reply #34 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 12:58am
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F2 to cutoff, F1 at 20% then immediately after that F3 to advance the throttle a tad. Engines start.
F2 (1-3 key presses), F1 at 20%, then immediately press F3 to advance the throttle a tad. My engines start about 95% of the time.

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Reply #35 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 2:42am
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I am beginning to think this problem is installation dependent.  The procedure you listed was one I had tried before and it still doesn't work.  Yet, clearly, it works for others.

I was able to start engines 3 & 4 by themselves using Shift-Ctrl-F4 and then F1 but as soon as I tried to start the engines 1 & 2, number 3 & 4 shut down and 1 & 2 didn't start.

Since you mention using F1, F2 & F3, is it safe to assume you are starting all 8 engines at the same time?

  
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Reply #36 - Mar 19th, 2011 at 3:50am
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Although I can start all engines at once, they do start in individual pairs.

I can start them using the mouse to pull the levers back, the press F1 followed by F3. Mostly though, I start them in pairs like so:

E+1=selects engines 1&2, F2 (1-3 taps), F1, F3, F1
E+2=selects engines 3&4, F2 (1-3 taps), F1, F3, F1
E+3=selects engines 5&6, F2 (1-3 taps), F1, F3, F1
E+4=selects engines 7&8, F2 (1-3 taps), F1, F3, F1
E+5=selects ALL engines, joystick throttle control.

I'm trying to do a video of how I start the engines in the Captain Sim B-52 to put on YouTube, with the help of my 17 year old son.

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Reply #37 - Mar 23rd, 2011 at 3:46pm
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Thanks Markoz. I am having all of these symptoms and thinking about reinstalling it. All of my planes now need to be started up. I cannot think of how to automatically start them. For example, when I start FSX and begin to fly, I need to start the engines. It used to be where I could Fly Now and everything would be ready, engines and all. I am going to see if it was an online feature and that would make a very simple solution. If not, it will be more headaches. Thanks for all your help!
  
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Reply #38 - Mar 24th, 2011 at 4:28am
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rluvsk06 wrote on Mar 23rd, 2011 at 3:46pm:
Thanks Markoz. I am having all of these symptoms and thinking about reinstalling it. All of my planes now need to be started up. I cannot think of how to automatically start them. For example, when I start FSX and begin to fly, I need to start the engines. It used to be where I could Fly Now and everything would be ready, engines and all. I am going to see if it was an online feature and that would make a very simple solution. If not, it will be more headaches. Thanks for all your help!

Try loading the B-52 Cleared for takeoff (KNKX), move it to the airport of your choice and away you go!

Note: I renamed mine. When I installed the B-52 Driver it was named: -52 Cleared for takeoff (KNKX). So it might be listed like that in the flights.

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Reply #39 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 6:56am
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Well I've tried just about everything and I can't seem to get this thing running. I've re-installed it 4 times, downloaded the driver, watched both videos on youtube, tried different sequences, and can't seem to get it going.

I can get the engines going if I hold the CTRL+SHIFT+F4 combo down, they will start just fine and spool up just fine as well. I've moved the key to the enter key and held it down. I managed to get her to take off that way, but the stick/controls were locked. The engines died out shortly after take off though and sunk like a rock.

Just curious if this is an issue that just hasn't been addressed? I noticed on the youtube videos the fuel flow meter moves and stays up for them, on mine it's on dead 0 and stays that way until I use the Mixture Full Rich key. Is there a pump switch I'm not hitting or am I doing something wrong? I think it's awesome that we have to go through these procedures like we do in an actual airplane, it makes it  much more realistic. But I do want to fly it and listen to that beautiful whine similar to what you hear on the old C-5's Smiley

Thanks for any advice/help.

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Reply #40 - Apr 10th, 2011 at 9:16am
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Hi Wes.

Try loading the B-52 Cold-n-Dark (KNKX) (mine is listed as this: -52 Cold-n-Dark (KNKX), yours might be too! Grin) situation and starting the engines from that. If you are choosing the B-52 from the Free Flight mode, something from the default flight might be interfering with the engine start process in the B-52.

Mark

Note: I have done a video of the way I start my engines. It is 1.13GB in size. BUT....I can't find a converter to convert and reduce it so I can put it on YouTube. Sad

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Yay! I finally got it converted! You can view the YouTube video here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zu45XwRlzL0. Now if I can only figure out how to add comments or text!
  

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Reply #41 - Apr 11th, 2011 at 3:04pm
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Markoz wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 4:28am:
When I installed the B-52 Driver it was named: -52 Cleared for takeoff (KNKX). So it might be listed like that in the flights.


The issue will be fixed in the next upgrade.
  
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Captain Sim 2 wrote on Apr 11th, 2011 at 3:04pm:
Markoz wrote on Mar 24th, 2011 at 4:28am:
When I installed the B-52 Driver it was named: -52 Cleared for takeoff (KNKX). So it might be listed like that in the flights.


The issue will be fixed in the next upgrade.

Thank you. Smiley
  

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Reply #43 - Apr 13th, 2011 at 4:24am
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Markoz wrote on Apr 10th, 2011 at 9:16am:
Hi Wes.

Try loading the B-52 Cold-n-Dark (KNKX) (mine is listed as this: -52 Cold-n-Dark (KNKX), yours might be too! Grin) situation and starting the engines from that. If you are choosing the B-52 from the Free Flight mode, something from the default flight might be interfering with the engine start process in the B-52.

Mark


Hey Mark,

Thank you for the help, but so far still no luck  Sad  I loaded it from the saved games list and tried both the dark and ready for take off. I've uninstalled the B-52 driver several times and reinstalled. I just uninstalled FSX completely, reinstalled it with a fresh install of SP1 and SP2, and then B-52 Driver, still no luck. I can't get the fuel to flow without holding down Ctrl+Shift+F3 or Ctrl+Shift+F4. Once I let go of that combination, the engines die immediately.

Kinda lost here, not sure where to go from here.

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Looks like the issue here is with product protection. Please try Manual Offline Activation.
  
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Thank you! Problem resolved! So far so good, love it. Will have to try some of your other products.

Thanks again,
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I'm having the same issue, rluvsk06.  When I first start FSX, and I select ANY plane, other than the B-52, for Free Flight, they all start with their engines on and ready to go.  When I select the B-52, the engines are off and I can NOT get the d*** things going.  I've used every step that has been supplied in this forum.  Then when I go back and select another aircraft, even the same one I selected prior to the B-52, they're engines are spooling down, and require a start.   
Somehow the B-52 is causing all the other AC to start with their engines off, once the B-52 has been select to fly in Free Flight.
  
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Reply #47 - May 5th, 2011 at 1:27pm
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Hi Snake323CO.

For starting the engines, try this:

1. Turn all the fuel knobs so that all the fuel tanks are feeding ALL the engines.
2. Then pull the throttle levers all the way back (as if you were putting it into full reverse thrust).
3. Flip the first set of start switches, then press F1 and then tap F3 a couple of times just to advance the throttles a bit. The engines should start.
4. Flip the next set of start switches, but don't touch the throttle this time. The engines should start.
5. Repeat step 4 for the remaining two sets of engines.

All engines should be running now. That works for me.

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Reply #48 - May 5th, 2011 at 7:44pm
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Thanks Markoz, but still no go.  The engines will not start.  And more importantly, after selecting the B-52, all the other aircraft initialize with there engines spooling down, so that they have to be started as well.
Hopefully this will get resolved soon.  I'd love to fly the buff.
Thanks again.
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Reply #49 - May 6th, 2011 at 12:26am
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When you get the B-52 loaded, press SHIFT+F1 followed by SHIFT+F4, THEN use the method described in my previous reply.
Every now and then, when I can't get the engines started on add-on (payware) aircraft, this can sometimes be the solution.

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Reply #50 - May 6th, 2011 at 5:13am
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Well...dii all the recommended steps, and still no luck.  The engines will not fire off.  The rpms never get past 20.
  
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Reply #51 - May 6th, 2011 at 8:45am
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Hmmm. This one is a real puzzler.

1. Have you started FSX using one of the B-52 flights found in <Documents>\Flight Simulator X files\? -52 Cleared for takeoff (KNKX) and -52 Cold-n-Dark (KNKX)? Make sure to double click on the one the FSSAVE file and not the FLT or WX. This will load FSX straight into the flight, bypassing FSX Opening Screen.

2. What is the Free Flight default flight? Including the aircraft and aircraft system settings details.

-52 is a fault that will be fixed in the next update!

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Reply #52 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 10:26am
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I've found that leaving the throttles slightly open and then hitting CTRL E will start the engines. I Just  hit Ctrl 4 times and the engines slowly come to life. I've got one of those Saitek yoke setups with the quadrants and found that If I pull the throttles all the way back the engines will cut off. That's when I figured that there must be some relation to throttle position. Sure enough, for me at least, that was the solution.
  
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Reply #53 - Jan 2nd, 2012 at 10:33am
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Recently I saw a vid on YouTube that showed some B-52's being refueled by some KC-135's. I believe the vid was uploaded by Capt sim. Is there an add-on KC-135 available for B-52 Driver? I've searched all over and haven't seen any mention of it. It'd sure make a great add-on.
  
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having exact same problems listed here, none of the solutions worked but I knew they would not because it's a problem with this mod. At first I thought yes it was a keymap problem or a config prob but now that I see all the other complaints here and how janky the engine start system for this B52 is god awful. I know it's a lost cause and this is not working right. People saying to try fixes like gently tapping CTRL+SHIFT+42+ALT+BACKSPACE+ANYKEY 5 times while holding one hand on the top of your head but none of that works. The engines keep starting and stopping themselves over and over, nothing makes the plane budge other than holding CTRL+SHIFT+F4 and letting go of it kills it. Also it's annoying that this mod then makes all my other planes cycle their engines down and I have to go through the startup process for each one (which they never fail to do by the way) but no matter what this broken mod will not work and plane won't start sorry to say I will look to fly one made from another place
  
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very frustrating both me and my dad wanted to be pilot and copilot we have all the switches the batteries turned on fuel on engines on throttle set to every thing we can think of reverse full zero 1% nothing will start engines they just sit there. he has bad eyes too and some of the buttons and dials not having tooltips was not good decision

we installed this on hit FSX on his laptop got same exacpt problem there we cant get the plane engines to start

can someone who actually HAD this problem and then got it to fix please reply with what you did? others here who do not have this problem cant fix it or they they say "works fine for me" cause none of the solutions here work or make sense. we copied the steps in the engine start youtube videos and nothing

nothing happens until we hit CTRL SHIFT F4 that will do something but all it does is make us go full throttle and I have to sit there holding down the 3 buttons on the keyboard cause if I let go they die

he is upset we bought this and its not fun like our other planes that work
  
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Reply #56 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 4:52am
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Captain Sim wrote on Dec 14th, 2010 at 4:22pm:
Just recheked, engines starting up OK. From our cold flight it runs with Ctrl+E like a charm.

Most likely all issues here have been caused by wrong throttle/cutoff positions.

This is a magic formula from Bill Gates:
Ctrl+Shift+F4 then F1 then Ctrl+E



I don't understand what you are saying the magic formula is CTRL SHIFT F4 cause as soon as I let go of that the engines die and F1 is just to make throttle go to zero which is by default and CTRL E is suppose to start the engines also by default so if the default is not working for us then why suggest it it is confusing Sad

our plane sits there CTRL E only does the first 2 engine startups, we see the switches toggle up when we CTRL-E but no power no nothing, the dials in the middle do not move, the other engines to not go to startup until we flip all the switches and we here them come on but no power. Nothing moves no dials no power until we press CTRL+SHIFT+F4 and that is a broke way to fly

I don't understand what throttle cutoffs are and all that for starting the plane can I get a better explaination of where exactly the throttle MUST BE for engines to start? our plane is not like a car where everyone has different ones and gas pedal is slightly different for everyone we all have the same exact program installed it should start for you like it starts for me at 5% throttle 1% or wwhatever it is but not randomly picking a magic number every time hoping it works and starts that makes absolutely no sense
  
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Reply #57 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 5:41am
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I've put together a video that shows one method of an engine starting sequence.
There is NO SOUND in the video! Maybe I'll fix that later Smiley



I don't understand what you aredoing with the generators or why you don't push F1 to make all the throttles go to 0 instead of going reverse then dragging each one up. I do the exact same thing I see you are doing and the engines to not start I hear them on but with no power until I push CTRL SHIFT F4 and you have no sound and I don't see you move at all just like me the power sits at zero even if I have full throttle on and does not move until I push CTRL SHIFT F4
  
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Reply #58 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 5:54am
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I've added a new video that shows a fast start from Cold-n-Dark (there's audio this time!)

youtube.com/watch?v=nkZppl-3KWo


again did exact same as video nothing happens

when I toggle the engine starters up I hear them and the dials move when they get to 20 just like you did I take the throttles up just above 0% nothing happens the fuel and rpm dials stay at zero and we do not hear them start

the ignition noise you hear we can only hear it when I press and hold CTRL+SHIFT+F4 we hear that popping then they start and stay on but when I let go it stops and everything dies

we reinstalled all of FSX delete program files folder and then reinstall all of it and the b52 driver it does the exact same thing we can get all the other planes to fly not this one
  
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Reply #59 - Nov 22nd, 2013 at 6:37am
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I've added a new video that shows a fast start from Cold-n-Dark (there's audio this time!)

youtube.com/watch?v=nkZppl-3KWo


again did exact same as video nothing happens

when I toggle the engine starters up I hear them and the dials move when they get to 20 just like you did I take the throttles up just above 0% nothing happens the fuel and rpm dials stay at zero and we do not hear them start

the starting noise you hear we can only hear it when I press and hold CTRL+SHIFT+F4 we hear that popping then they start and stay on but when I let go it stops and everything dies

When starting the engines, here is what I do:

1. Turn the Master Battery Switch ON
2. Press E, release it, then press 1 (NOT Numpad 1) - so that you are only in control of Engines 1 & 2
3. Turn on Engine Start for Engines 1&2. As they spool up (before they reach 20%), press F2 AND HOLD IT until the levers are all the way back (it is NOT reverse thrust), then F1 to return it to 0%, then F3 to advance it slightly. Engines 1 & 2 should start.
4. Press E, release it, the press 2 - so that you are only in control of Engines 3 & 4
5. Turn on Engine Start for Engines 3 & 4. As they spool up (before they reach 20%), press F2 AND HOLD IT until the levers are all the way back, then F1 to return it to 0%, then F3 to advance it slightly. Engines 3 & 4 should start.
6. Press E, release it, the press 3 - so that you are only in control of Engines 5 & 6
7. Turn on Engine Start for Engines 5 & 6. As they spool up (before they reach 20%), press F2 AND HOLD IT until the levers are all the way back, then F1 to return it to 0%, then F3 to advance it slightly. Engines 5 & 6 should start.
8. Press E, release it, the press 4 - so that you are only in control of Engines 7 & 8
9. Turn on Engine Start for Engines 7 & 8. As they spool up (before they reach 20%), press F2 AND HOLD IT until the levers are all the way back, then F1 to return it to 0%, then F3 to advance it slightly. Engines 7 & 8 should start.
10. Press E, release it, then press 5. This allows you to control of ALL your engines.
11. Turn on all the Engine Generators.

Follow that, and the engines should start.

This is not doing it using a checklist, this is just a simple way of starting the engines in the B-52. It works every time for me.

NOTE: The CS B-52 does not have reverse thrust - so IF you pull the throttle levers all the way back when you land, you will shut all the engines down!Don't worry, you won't be the first to do it. I know I diud it the first few times I flew the B-52 Wink
  

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Reply #60 - Jul 29th, 2014 at 12:59pm
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I solved my no starting issue by uninstalling then reinstalling the B-52 with a 'renewed' download legal copy of my purchase.

I get the feeling this is an anti-piracy deterent built into the plane that sometimes doesn't properly detect a legal install.
  
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Hello, I just bought the B-52 driver a couple of days ago and cannot get the engines to start at all. I was wondering how you got the renewed legal copy. any advice would be great. thanks.
  
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Go to your profile I guess.  Smiley
  
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matty84 wrote on Feb 16th, 2015 at 4:08am:
Hello, I just bought the B-52 driver a couple of days ago and cannot get the engines to start at all. I was wondering how you got the renewed legal copy. any advice would be great. thanks.


Check-in to Your Profile > Product (B-52 Driver) > Extended Download Service > Get New Links

Coltrane wrote on Feb 17th, 2015 at 10:57pm:
Go to your profile I guess.  Smiley

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Reply #64 - Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:28pm
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Hello, I finally figured out that captain sim doesn't support the steam edition yet. Do you guys have any idea when they might be supporting it. Thanks.
  
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matty84 wrote on Feb 20th, 2015 at 9:28pm:
Hello, I finally figured out that captain sim doesn't support the steam edition yet. Do you guys have any idea when they might be supporting it. Thanks.

Hopefully soon.

A long time ago, I made a short video of starting the engines on the B-52:



It might be hard to detect in the video, but the the trick is this.

When the N1 reaches 20%, I press F1 to move throttle to the lowest setting, call it 0 (zero), then I press F3 to nudge it forward slightly. Once the engine fires, I press F1 again.

To control each throttle lever individually, I press, for engine #1, E, release the E key, then press 1 (not NumPad 1, but the one above they letters on the keyboard). Do not press E + 1, you must release the E before pressing 1!
For engine #2, press E, release the E key, then press 2, and so forth up to 4 for engine #4.

IMPORTANT: PRESS E, RELEASE THE E KEY, THEN PRESS 5, SO THAT ALL 4 LEVERS ARE NOW UNDER CONTROL OF A SINGLE THROTTLE LEVER/KEYSTROKE (LIKE F1, F2, F3 AND F4)! This doesn't apply if you have a multiple throttle lever like the CH Throttle Quadrant. You wouldn't believe the amount of times I have increased the throttle to start taxiing, only to find that my single throttle lever only controls a single engine/lever! Cheesy
  

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Re: Starting Engines on B-52 Driver
Reply #66 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:32am
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Alright I have finally figured out how to run the B-52 with steam edition.
Step 1: Locate C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\SDK\Core Utilities Kit\SimConnect SDK\LegacyInterfaces

Step 2:  There will be 3 packs.

Step 3: Install each one separately. You will not get an output saying that “installation has finished”. It will literally take no more than 5 seconds each.
I am so excited that I got this to work. Love flying the BUFF!!!!

  
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Reply #67 - Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:33am
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Thanks again Mark for all of your instructions. They have helped tremendously.
  
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Re: Starting Engines on B-52 Driver
Reply #68 - Feb 23rd, 2015 at 12:19am
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matty84 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:32am:
Alright I have finally figured out how to run the B-52 with steam edition.
Step 1: Locate C:\Program Files (x86)\Steam\steamapps\common\FSX\SDK\Core Utilities Kit\SimConnect SDK\LegacyInterfaces

Step 2:  There will be 3 packs.

Step 3: Install each one separately. You will not get an output saying that “installation has finished”. It will literally take no more than 5 seconds each.
I am so excited that I got this to work. Love flying the BUFF!!!!

Thanks for this. I'm sure it will help many others! Wink

matty84 wrote on Feb 22nd, 2015 at 3:33am:
Thanks again Mark for all of your instructions. They have helped tremendously.

You're welcome.

I'm happy to hear that it's working and that you enjoy flying the B-52. Grin
  

Mark Fletcher



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