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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1506 Location: Southern CA Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Old-Style Navigation Feb 25^th, 2011 at 5:49pm	Print Post
	Okay--I've searched everywhere, and surprisingly, there is nothing online that shows you how to utilize the old-style navigation systems on the 707. I'm pretty good with FMC's, but as far as the 707's route guidance systems, I don't know INS from Doppler. Yes, I've read the manuals, and I know what everything does, but not how to use it all together, i.e. put enable Doppler, make autopilot follow the route, etc... Thank you!

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701151 Senior Member Offline Delta 737-200 Posts: 1009 Location: UNITED STATES Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #1 - Feb 25^th, 2011 at 7:46pm	Print Post
	If you fl yan IFR flightplan like a real airline, they're always vectoring you, so you just need a heading input


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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1506 Location: Southern CA Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #2 - Feb 25^th, 2011 at 9:35pm	Print Post
	Okay, so you're saying that I just need to turn on heading hold and switch autopilot to NAV? I'm not incredibly experienced with autopilot. I know how to hold the altitude and control vertical speed to gain or lose altitude, but that's just about it (and that's all I've needed in the past).

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12368 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #3 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 2:17am	Print Post
	Hi boeing247. Have you read KB #6061? This is an in-depth explanation on flying the 707 using the DNS (by LOU). It's too big for me to add in here for you, although I do believe that it was in in a Topic in this forum as well. To use heading select, switch the Mode Selector Knob on the AP to HDG. You can't have is set to NAV and HDG, it is one or the other. Mark

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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1506 Location: Southern CA Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #4 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 2:21am	Print Post
	Thanks, all! I think I can get it working. Now if I can just stop the plane itself from fouling up...

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701151 Senior Member Offline Delta 737-200 Posts: 1009 Location: UNITED STATES Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #5 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 2:28am	Print Post
	Although MarkOz simplified it for you, here it is anyways. Yes, you turn teh autopilto onw, with heading hold. It will track the heading you put into the bug....and for altitude you hit altitude hold at your desired alt, or the ATC's requested alt. Or you can trim it up to make it easier hwen changing altitudes often...

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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1506 Location: Southern CA Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #6 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 2:41am	Print Post
	How do you enter the desired altitude? I'm used to the number on the dashboard, but obviously on the 707 it's different.

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12368 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #7 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 3:03am	Print Post
	How do you enter the desired altitude? You can't. You need to climb to the desired altitude then use the ALT switch to hold altitude. This was before the time of the more advanced autopilots. Mark

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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1506 Location: Southern CA Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #8 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 3:09am	Print Post
	cool. Thanks. That's what I had been doing.

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701151 Senior Member Offline Delta 737-200 Posts: 1009 Location: UNITED STATES Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #9 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 3:27am	Print Post
	Then you're on the right track. Good luck, and happy flying. Look forward to my review of the Captain Sim 707 Captain on flightsim.com in the coming weeks

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12368 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #10 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 3:31am	Print Post
	boeing247 wrote on Feb 26^th, 2011 at 3:09am: That's what I had been doing. That's the only way you could have been doing it. I tried adding a more advanced AP to the 707 (like the one from the default A321 or B737) to help some others out but it was unsuccessful. Besides. I like the old style flying. With the 757/767 Once I get above 10,000 feet I can go and make a coffee knowing it will continue its climb and navigation with me being there. And to those members that are thinking of saying "You go for a coffee and leave the cockpit unattended etc....", doesn't mean that I do do that. It just means I could if I wanted to! Mark

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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1506 Location: Southern CA Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #11 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 3:34am	Print Post
	This is actually easier than the modern AP. Now that I know how, it makes my 767 seem horribly complex.

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701151 Senior Member Offline Delta 737-200 Posts: 1009 Location: UNITED STATES Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #12 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 3:45am	Print Post
	Yes, though rudimentry and primitive it is effective and simple. Let's all lok forward to the 707-300C, E-3 and VC-135 (Air Force One) real soon! Happy flying the 707, you'll have a blast.

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boeing247 Senior Member Offline Pilots: Looking down on people since 1903 Posts: 1506 Location: Southern CA Joined: Feb 23^rd, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #13 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 7:15am	Print Post
	I'm sure I will. Hey, where'd you get that 747-8i pic? I watched the debut webcast and I think that a picture like that would be a nice addition to my banner. Thanks!

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701151 Senior Member Offline Delta 737-200 Posts: 1009 Location: UNITED STATES Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Old-Style Navigation Reply #14 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 8:33pm	Print Post
	This is a screenshot for an upcoming repaint for the 747-8X by another company. Here's the link...http://forum.avsim.net/topic/327698-another company-747-8-boeing-sunrise-livery/ It will be fun to fly in that Sunrise livery, a very beautfiul plane all around.

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