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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: Anyone there? Reply #30 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 12:23am	Print Post
	In my dreams, ACE is finally expanded to a real payload-and-fuel-calculator-loader like the big German company has for their airplanes. In the meantime, thanks to the users who have made it tolerable. My fuel method is: guessing. I'm getting pretty good at it, and if it looks like my engines are about to flame out, there's always in-flight refueling from, a little-known feature on the 737.

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12370 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Anyone there? Reply #31 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 1:31am	Print Post
	Quote: In my dreams, ACE is finally expanded to a real payload-and-fuel-calculator-loader like the big German company has for their airplanes. Sadly, I think it is in your dreams. I can't see it happening for real. Quote: My fuel method is: guessing. I'm getting pretty good at it, and if it looks like my engines are about to flame out, there's always in-flight refueling from, a little-known feature on the 737. My method is guessing too. I always add about 10,000 more than what I think I need (unless there is no more room for fuel), and so far I have always landed with between 10,000 - 15,000 pounds remaining (unless I am going the maximum range, when I usually have between 5,000 and 10,000 pounds remaining). I have only had to do in-flight refuelling a couple of times since getting the the CS737-100/200, and that was back in the beginning.

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CoolP Senior Member Offline Posts: 2568 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Anyone there? Reply #32 - Nov 10^th, 2014 at 1:44pm	Print Post
	Re: Planning values. Totally agreed that one could enhance the ACE. I think those suggestions range back some years, so one can either hope or.. work around. � http://www.simbrief.com is a free website allowing for very detailed flight planning. The 737-200 is featured and, therefore, gets calculated correctly when it comes to the expected fuel burn. If you wanted to add more planes or edit existing ones, no problem, just click edit. The folks running the PFPX payware might also have a profile at hand to allow for proper planning, but I can highly recommend the freeware site where nothing more than a free sign-up is needed. You would then head for the dispatch system and select your route details and airframe. It will grab the weather, NOTAMs, plans the optimum flight level, gives you times and coordinates for waypoints and later print the plan and/or export a file for FMC/other flight planners. I suggest printing to pdf. You can even select your favourite's airline OFP format, so what you will see then equals the rw docs. If you run a nav data subscription from Navigraph, you can also enter your code there and have access to the latest and greatest. Otherwise it uses a fairly current (and free) 1303 data set. Back to the fuel burn, I was using an example route KSAN to KAUS; IPL J18 GBN SSO J50 ELP J183 LLO KALLA3; alternate is KDFW Code OPERATIONAL FLIGHT PLAN � � � � � � RELEASE 1 AAA1111 10 NOV 2014 � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �KSAN/SAN - KAUS/AUS CAPT OBVIOUS 004122 � � � � � � � � �DX . KIM LYNN 514-555-0199 011 D01 B732 FIN 275 N275SB SEL � � � � � � � � NORTH AMERICA 1-800-555-0199 F/FACTOR P00 � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �TAKEOFF ALTN NIL -------------------------------------------------------------------- DX RMKS � CONT FUEL FOR ANY DELAYS ------- � . -------------------------------------------------------------------- OFP REMARKS: P-RAIM CHECK COMPLETED - NO OUTAGES: -------------------------------------------------------------------- --- BRIEFING PACKAGE MEL ITEMS --- NONE. ------------------------------------------ --- CURRENT MEL ITEMS (13:37Z 10.NOV) --- NONE. -------------------------------------------------------------------- PLANNING SUMMARY � M.74 � �FL �330 � �TDV P06 �G/C 1010 � EET � 0220 ---------------- � � � � � TRP 522 � COMP P37 �DIS 1035 �BURN � 6.05 -------------------------------------------------------------------- FLIGHT PLAN ROUTE ----------------- DEP SAN RWY 09 KSAN N0435F330 DCT IPL J18 GBN DCT SSO J50 ELP J183 LLO KALLA3 KAUS ARR AUS RWY 35L -------------------------------------------------------------------- CLEARANCES ---------- -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � �ALTERNATE INFORMATION � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �--------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � ALTN � � �KDFW/DFW � � � � �FL230 � DIS 0165 � EET 0034 � BURN 1.71 KAUS DCT KDFW -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � �FUEL INFORMATION � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �---------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � PLANNED FUEL � � � � � � � � � � � � STAT FUEL SUMMARY --------------------------------- � � � �--------------------------- FUEL � � � � � ARPT � FUEL � TIME � � � �STAT � � � � � � FUEL �TIME --------------------------------- � � � �--------------------------- TAXI � � � � � �SAN � 0.45 � 0010 � � � �NO STAT BURN � � � � � �AUS � 6.05 � 0220 CONT � � � � � � � � �0.64 � 0014 ALTN � � � � � �DFW � 1.71 � 0034 FINAL RESERVE � � � � 1.14 � 0030 ETOPS � � � � � � � � 0.00 � 0000 WXX � � � � � � � � � 0.00 � 0000 --------------------------------- BLOCK FUEL � � �SAN � 9.99 --------------------------------- EST FOD � � � � AUS � 3.49 � 0119 -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � OPERATIONAL IMPACTS � � � � � � � � � � � � ------------------- WEIGHT CHANGE � � � �UP 1.00 TONNE �BURN �P 0.11 � TIME M 0000 ------------- � � � �DN 1.00 TONNE �BURN �M 0.12 � TIME P 0000 FL CHANGE � � � � � �UP FL1 � � � � � �NOT AVAILABLE � � � --------- � � � � � �DN FL1 � � � � BURN �P 0.24 � TIME M 0000 SPD CHANGE � � � � � CI50 � � � � � BURN �P 0.12 � TIME M 0002 ---------- � � � � � CI0 � � � � � �BURN �M 0.02 � TIME P 0000 -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � FLT RELEASE � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ----------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � DISPATCHER KIM LYNN, . CAPTAIN .............. � �F/O ............... �F/O ............... � � � � � � � � � � � � �R/P ............... �ADC ............... -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �TIMES � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �----- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ESTIMATED � � � �SKED � � � � � � �ACTUAL OUT � � � � � �1324Z/0524L � � �1324Z/0524L � � � ......Z OFF � � � � � �1334Z/0534L � � �1334Z/0534L � � � ......Z ON � � � � � � 1554Z/0954L � � �1618Z/1018L � � � ......Z IN � � � � � � 1600Z/1000L � � �1624Z/1024L � � � ......Z BLOCK TIME � � 0236 � � � � � � 0300 � � � � � � �...... -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � WEIGHTS � � � � � � � � � � � � � FUEL ON BOARD � � � � � � � ------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � ------------- � � � � � � � �EST � � �MAX � ACTUAL � � � � � � � � � � ACTUAL RELEASE � � � � � 1 � � � � � �...... � � � � �UPLIFT � � ...... PAX � � � � � � �25 � � � � � �...... � � � � �L/USG A/B �...... ZFW � � � � � 30.96 � �43.09 � ...... � � � � �DEP � � � �...... FUEL � � � � � 9.99 � �15.42 � ...... � � � � �ARR � � � �...... TOW � � � � � 40.50 � �52.77L �...... � � � � �BURN � � � ...... MACGTOW � � � � � � � � � � � �...... STAB TRIM � � � � � � � � � � �...... MACEZFW � � � � � � � � � � � �...... LDG WT � � � �34.45 � �46.72 � ...... -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � TERRAIN CLEARANCE CHECK � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ----------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � TERRAIN CLEARANCE CHECK - � � � � � � �COMPLETED WITH NO LIMITATIONS -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � FLIGHT LOG � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � ---------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � POSITION � � � � � � �EET �ETO �FL � �IMT � MN � � WIND �OAT � �EFOB IDENT � � � LAT � � �TTLT �ATO �MORA �ITT �TAS � � COMP �TDV � �AFOB � � � � � �LONG � � � � � � � � � � �DIS � GS � � �SHR �TRP � �MFOB KSAN � � � � � � � � � � �..... � � � 076 � � � � � � � � � � � 9.54 KSAN � � � �N 3244.0 0000 ..... � 99 �088 � � � � � � � � � � �..... � � � � � �W11711.4 � � � � � � � � � 85 �459 � � � � � 517 � �8.90 IMPERIAL � � � � � � 0011 ..... �332 �076 �.74 �307/031 �M46 � �8.45 IPL � � � � N 3244.9 0011 ..... � 89 �088 �435 � � P024 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11530.5 � � � � � � � � � �4 �459 � � � � � 518 � �7.81 T O C � � � � � � � �0000 ..... �330 �076 �.74 �306/028 �M46 � �8.39 � � � � � �N 3245.0 0011 ..... � 89 �088 �435 � � P022 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11525.7 � � � � � � � � � 21 �457 � � � �1 �522 � �7.76 HEEDS � � � � � � � �0003 ..... �330 �076 �.74 �306/028 �M46 � �8.29 HEEDS � � � N 3245.6 0014 ..... �172 �088 �435 � � P022 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11500.5 � � � � � � � � � 20 �457 � � � �1 �522 � �7.65 BARD YUMA � � � � � �0003 ..... �330 �077 �.74 �306/028 �M46 � �8.18 BZA � � � � N 3246.1 0017 ..... �172 �088 �435 � � P022 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11436.2 � � � � � � � � � 27 �457 � � � �1 �522 � �7.55 HOGGZ � � � � � � � �0003 ..... �330 �078 �.74 �301/025 �M46 � �8.04 HOGGZ � � � N 3246.5 0020 ..... �172 �089 �435 � � P021 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11404.2 � � � � � � � � � �5 �456 � � � �2 �531 � �7.41 MOHAK � � � � � � � �0001 ..... �330 �069 �.74 �301/025 �M46 � �8.02 MOHAK � � � N 3246.6 0021 ..... � 67 �080 �435 � � P021 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11358.3 � � � � � � � � � 15 �456 � � � �2 �531 � �7.38 JUDTH � � � � � � � �0002 ..... �330 �069 �.74 �301/025 �M46 � �7.94 JUDTH � � � N 3249.0 0023 ..... � 69 �080 �435 � � P019 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11341.3 � � � � � � � � � 52 �454 � � � �2 �531 � �7.30 GILA BEND � � � � � �0007 ..... �330 �092 �.74 �293/025 �M46 � �7.67 GBN � � � � N 3257.4 0030 ..... �130 �102 �435 � � P021 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W11240.5 � � � � � � � � �177 �456 � � � �2 �535 � �7.04 SAN SIMON � � � � � �0022 ..... �330 �096 �.74 �262/043 �M46 � �6.80 SSO � � � � N 3216.2 0052 ..... �182 �105 �435 � � P040 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W10915.8 � � � � � � � � � 78 �475 � � � �1 �527 � �6.16 ALIBY � � � � � � � �0010 ..... �330 �085 �.74 �265/045 �M46 � �6.42 ALIBY � � � N 3155.3 0102 ..... �182 �094 �435 � � P042 �P05 � ..... � � � � � �W10746.7 � � � � � � � � � 77 �477 � � � �1 �540 � �5.79 POSITION � � � � � � �EET �ETO �FL � �IMT � MN � � WIND �OAT � �EFOB IDENT � � � LAT � � �TTLT �ATO �MORA �ITT �TAS � � COMP �TDV � �AFOB � � � � � �LONG � � � � � � � � � � �DIS � GS � � �SHR �TRP � �MFOB EL PASO � � � � � � �0009 ..... �330 �089 �.74 �261/041 �M45 � �6.05 ELP � � � � N 3149.0 0111 ..... �109 �097 �436 � � P040 �P06 � ..... � � � � � �W10616.9 � � � � � � � � �140 �476 � � � �2 �519 � �5.41 PECOS PECOS CITY � � 0018 ..... �330 �093 �.74 �255/058 �M45 � �5.39 PEQ � � � � N 3128.2 0129 ..... � 88 �098 �436 � � P053 �P06 � ..... � � � � � �W10334.5 � � � � � � � � �228 �489 � � � �4 �553 � �4.76 T O D � � � � � � � �0028 ..... �330 �094 �.74 �250/050 �M44 � �4.32 � � � � � �N 3051.2 0157 ..... � 42 �099 �437 � � P044 �P07 � ..... � � � � � �W09911.5 � � � � � � � � � 21 �481 � � � �3 �517 � �3.68 LLANO � � � � � � � �0003 ..... �265 �091 �.71 �232/044 �M28 � �4.26 LLO � � � � N 3047.8 0200 ..... � 42 �096 �438 � � P029 �P10 � ..... � � � � � �W09847.2 � � � � � � � � � 37 �467 � � � � � 517 � �3.62 KALLA � � � � � � � �0006 ..... �149 �120 �.56 �238/033 �M01 � �4.12 KALLA � � � N 3043.3 0206 ..... � 42 �125 �362 � � P025 �P14 � ..... � � � � � �W09804.6 � � � � � � � � � 35 �387 � � � � � 524 � �3.48 CENTEX � � � � � � � 0007 ..... �040 �208 �.40 �214/028 �P16 � �3.93 CWK � � � � N 3022.7 0213 ..... � 42 �213 �269 � � M002 �P09 � ..... � � � � � �W09731.8 � � � � � � � � � 13 �267 � � � � � 516 � �3.30 KAUS � � � � � � � � 0007 ..... � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 3.49 KAUS � � � �N 3011.7 0220 ..... � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �..... � � � � � �W09740.2 � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � 516 � �2.85 -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � �WIND INFORMATION � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �---------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � CLIMB � � � � � TOC � � � � � � HEEDS � � � � � BZA � � � � � � 350 303/033 -49 370 296/032 -53 370 296/032 -53 370 296/032 -53 310 317/028 -41 350 300/030 -50 350 300/030 -50 350 300/030 -50 200 305/016 -14 330 306/028 -46 330 306/028 -46 330 306/028 -46 150 299/016 -02 310 315/024 -41 310 315/024 -41 310 315/024 -41 100 282/015 +09 290 316/022 -36 290 316/022 -36 290 316/022 -36 HOGGZ � � � � � MOHAK � � � � � JUDTH � � � � � GBN � � � � � � 370 291/032 -53 370 291/032 -53 370 291/032 -53 370 286/032 -52 350 295/029 -49 350 295/029 -49 350 295/029 -49 350 289/028 -49 330 301/025 -46 330 301/025 -46 330 301/025 -46 330 293/025 -46 310 308/022 -41 310 308/022 -41 310 308/022 -41 310 296/022 -41 290 308/020 -36 290 308/020 -36 290 308/020 -36 290 295/022 -37 SSO � � � � � � ALIBY � � � � � ELP � � � � � � PEQ � � � � � � 370 264/045 -53 370 265/048 -53 370 257/048 -53 370 254/074 -53 350 262/045 -50 350 264/047 -50 350 259/044 -50 350 255/066 -49 330 262/043 -46 330 265/045 -46 330 261/041 -45 330 255/058 -45 310 265/040 -41 310 268/042 -41 310 264/040 -40 310 255/052 -40 290 269/037 -36 290 271/039 -36 290 267/038 -35 290 256/046 -36 TOD � � � � � � DESCENT � � � � 370 259/062 -53 350 263/056 -48 350 256/055 -48 310 248/044 -40 330 250/050 -44 200 233/032 -13 310 243/047 -40 150 239/025 -01 290 237/045 -35 100 224/030 +11 -------------------------------------------------------------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � �ICAO FLIGHT PLAN � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �---------------- � � � � � � � � � � � � � (FPL-AAA1111-IS -B732/M-SDFGHRWY/C -KSAN1324 -N0435F330 DCT IPL J18 GBN DCT SSO J50 ELP J183 LLO KALLA3 -KAUS0220 KDFW -PBN/A1B2 NAV/RNVD1E2A1 DOF/141110 REG/N275SB EET/KZAB0022 KZFW0139 KZHU0150 RMK/TCAS EQPT) D I S P A T C H �B R I E F I N G �I N F O � �AAA1111 � �KSAN/KAUS NOTAMs (I left those out to save space) Station Weather AAA 1111 � � KSAN --> KAUS Effective: 10.NOV.2014 1324Z - 10.NOV.2014 1919Z Departure � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � KSAN/SAN SAN DIEGO INTL � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �KSAN 101251Z 16004KT 10SM BKN015 17/13 A2986 RMK AO2 SLP111 � � � T01720133 $ �KSAN 101127Z 1012/1118 VRB05KT P6SM OVC015 � � � FM101600 21008KT P6SM BKN022 � � � TEMPO 1019/1023 SCT025 � � � FM110000 19006KT P6SM BKN025 � � � FM110600 VRB04KT P6SM OVC030 Destination � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � KAUS/AUS AUSTIN-BERGSTROM INTL � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �KAUS 101253Z 00000KT 10SM FEW200 04/04 A2990 RMK AO2 SLP128 T00440044 �KAUS 101120Z 1012/1118 20003KT P6SM SKC � � � FM101600 20012G18KT P6SM FEW250 � � � FM101800 19015G25KT P6SM FEW050 FEW250 � � � FM110000 19009KT P6SM FEW250 � � � TEMPO 1111/1113 5SM BR � � � FM111300 36018G26KT P6SM BKN020 Destination Alternates � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � KDFW/DFW DALLAS-FT WORTH INTL � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � � �KDFW 101253Z 18012KT 10SM FEW300 11/06 A2976 RMK AO2 SLP073 T01110061 �KDFW 101120Z 1012/1118 18014KT P6SM FEW250 � � � FM101600 20023G33KT P6SM FEW250 � � � FM110100 19016KT P6SM SKC � � � FM110900 32019G29KT P6SM OVC022 FIR/UIR SIGMETS AAA 1111 � � KSAN --> KAUS Effective: 10.NOV.2014 1324Z - 10.NOV.2014 1919Z No valid sigmet found. (it also adds a map view and the current wind map) Edited: Maybe you agree with me that this work, being offered for free, is plain awesome. If you like their service, consider donating though. � They always keep their stuff current and also react well to suggestions and feedback. They also offer plenty of airframe templates, so e.g. the frequent 727 flyers will also be able to enjoy a decent planning, for free.


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BrianG Full Member Offline Posts: 205 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Anyone there? Reply #33 - Nov 12^th, 2014 at 3:46am	Print Post
	For projects such as the CS 737 and 727 that customers paid for but never saw finished, it's nice to see there are resources available to ease the frustration and disappointment. Through community efforts and sites such as Simbrief, these unfinished projects can be brought to life and enjoyed, even by those (such as myself) seeking a higher level of detail and authenticity. I'm a huge fan of Simbrief and glad they're supporting the classics. I've never seen a RW commercial airline flight plan but I can't imagine they contain too much more than what Simbrief incorporates. So utilize the resources available and enjoy these great classics. �No reason not to. As time moves along and in spite of what CS says (we're working on it), realistically, I'm not sure there will be an update �for the 732. If that's the case, it won't stop me from enjoying what I do have. Cheers, Brian


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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: Anyone there? Reply #34 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 3:45am	Print Post
	Brian G, well said. Of all the airplanes that deserves to be finished, this is the biggest shame. It may be their best, visually, and they got so much right. How can we imagine, that after all this time, it's ever going to get brought up the level it deserves? Cool IP, I checked out Simbrief and it looks great, but, like other services and resources, it uses airways. My flight plans are VOR to VOR mostly, except for SIDs and STARs if they're relatively simple. Are folks flying airways by radio navigation, or what am I missing? Back in the 70s before there were FMS, how did pilots fly, but VOR to VOR?

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David Paul Senior Member Offline Posts: 270 Joined: Dec 25^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Anyone there? Reply #35 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am	Print Post
	I fly airways in the USA with just nav radios. Here in the US, they are almost all still associated with VORs. But in Europe and UK, there seem to be a lot of airways that are only flyable with RNAV equipped planes, because there are no VORs to use to guide you. ( I'm not saying that there are no VORs in Europe, just that many airways do not have them where they would need to be to allow you to fly the airway with a set of nav radios.)

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CoolP Senior Member Offline Posts: 2568 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Anyone there? Reply #36 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 11:25am	Print Post
	Tim Capps wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 3:45am: Cool IP, I checked out Simbrief and it looks great, but, like other services and resources, it uses airways. I guess you came to think that it does so because it uses the neat feature of suggesting one of the mostly used routes for your departure and destination. Simbrief itself is not bound to any specific route setup though, so if you hack in SEA YVR ANC (or something alike), you might well receive a proper plan to fly from Seattle to Anchorage via VORs only. Just mind the route string, which you can generate manually or import from your favourite flight planner like Plan-G or FSC. The thing with the airways just happens because, nowadays, most people use those and therefore fill up the system with "this" being the preferred route. As said, just throw some VOR identifiers at it and it will plan for those just fine. The best way to look at it would be that it doesn't do the actual route planning (since it links to external data bases and websites or awaits the user input on that route string) but, once you have a route to fly, will allow to plan for this one in high detail. Happy VOR flying. �


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12370 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Anyone there? Reply #37 - Nov 26^th, 2014 at 12:20pm	Print Post
	FSC can create VOR to VOR routes (just as the default FS Flight Planner can). And seeing as the VOR's in FSX are permanently set, and so there are no magdev deviation changes since the game was created (unless you downloaded an updated magdev.bgl file to replace the default one), I can't see a better reason to create a VOR to VOR route with one of them.

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BrianG Full Member Offline Posts: 205 Joined: Mar 10^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Anyone there? Reply #38 - Nov 29^th, 2014 at 1:51am	Print Post
	David Paul wrote on Nov 26^th, 2014 at 9:59am: I fly airways in the USA with just nav radios. Here in the US, they are almost all still associated with VORs. In keeping with real world routes, the challenge for the classics in the modern world is finding SIDS and Stars that aren't RNAV based. Once you get up on an airway, there are always VOR's that link them (for the most part). I don't do much IFR flight planning anymore as I'm more into GA at lower altitudes but I do remember the challenge of finding non-RNAV based arrivals and departures for my non-FMC equipped planes. I always used FlightAware and couldn't keep my routes in step with the real world as the real world has moved away from the VOR based SIDS and STARS.


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Charater Full Member Offline Posts: 7 Joined: Jul 31^st, 2013	Re: Anyone there? Reply #39 - Dec 21^st, 2014 at 8:35pm	Print Post
	I'm starting to get a little worried... December is coming to an end and 737 1.1 still isn't here, is it going to be a christmas present? Or is it going to be delayed yet again?

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