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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #45 - Aug 31st, 2010 at 7:58am
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TheFinn wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 7:59pm:
but if we get a working INS in the VC we get a very good alternative solution... Smiley

Didn't Captain Sim say they were going to do that as a bonus for us in this Topic? Or did I misread his post?

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #46 - Aug 31st, 2010 at 8:23am
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Markoz wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 7:58am:
TheFinn wrote on Aug 30th, 2010 at 7:59pm:
but if we get a working INS in the VC we get a very good alternative solution... Smiley

Didn't Captain Sim say they were going to do that as a bonus for us in this Topic? Or did I misread his post?

Mark


Yes they did, and thats how I meant it...  Roll Eyes We WILL get INS in VC. Should have written it a bit different though. Actually cant wait for this to happen.  Cheesy
  

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #47 - Aug 31st, 2010 at 8:29am
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TheFinn wrote on Aug 31st, 2010 at 8:23am:
Yes they did, and thats how I meant it...  Roll Eyes We WILL get INS in VC. Should have written it a bit different though. Actually cant wait for this to happen.  Cheesy

No worries. I just read it how it was written. Wink
  

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #48 - Sep 1st, 2010 at 6:47pm
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Finally got the doppler to work without loading a flightplan. The 707 follows the first leg programmed to "A" perfectly. But the second leg programmed to "B" always calculates a wrong course on the map, e.g. when I tune in course 330 in "B", the plane will turn to HDG050... Huh
  

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Reply #49 - Sep 2nd, 2010 at 2:00pm
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I can always get it to follow A, like you, but it always seems to point B at about 180o from what I have it set at. Because of this, I have never entered more than two sections of a flight plan. It just so much easier to create an FS Flight Plan for it to follow.

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Reply #50 - Sep 4th, 2010 at 8:31am
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TheFinn wrote on Sep 1st, 2010 at 6:47pm:
Finally got the doppler to work without loading a flightplan. The 707 follows the first leg programmed to "A" perfectly. But the second leg programmed to "B" always calculates a wrong course on the map, e.g. when I tune in course 330 in "B", the plane will turn to HDG050... Huh


That is because it would seem the Doppler calculates both legs with the same point of origin, i.e your position when you activate the doppler. I beleive that is also why people got the 'miles to go' reading resetting down to 0 if their miles settings for leg A was longer than leg B. When setting up leg B, the miles to go should be leg A + leg B.

A : 50Nm 180 and B : 50Nm 90 will not create a L shaped flightplan but a V shaped one.

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #51 - Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:00pm
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The dpl.pln file is just an internal service file requred for DNS operations in FSX environment.

It's time to clear the DNS concept.
The DNS has been developed as authentic as possible, therefore:

- It is not designed to load any flight plans.

- Using of the DNS control panel is the only way to create valid DNS route.

- Please note DNS route limits are the following:
- AUTO mode - 2 segments (legs)
- MAN mode - 1 segment leg

We are sorry for the cofussion, the info has been missed from the manuals (to be added in 1.1).

  
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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #52 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 1:38am
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The fact remains that when I set up the routes, the first time I switch to either A or B the distance resets to 13 miles and I never do get any route on the map.  This is before I even take off.  I have applied the fix.  It didn't help.  As far as I can tell, DNS is broken.  But whether you designed it that way or not, it does a dandy job of importing a whole flight plan lol
  

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #53 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 3:45am
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Captain Sim wrote on Sep 6th, 2010 at 11:00pm:
The dpl.pln file is just an internal service file requred for DNS operations in FSX environment.

It's time to clear the DNS concept.
The DNS has been developed as authentic as possible, therefore:

- It is not designed to load any flight plans.

- Using of the DNS control panel is the only way to create valid DNS route.

- Please note DNS route limits are the following:
- AUTO mode - 2 segments (legs)
- MAN mode - 1 segment leg

We are sorry for the cofussion, the info has been missed from the manuals (to be added in 1.1).


Hi Tim.

I just tried it the way described in the DNS instructions according to the CS KB#5968 and the above quote by Captain Sim and it's working. I can see the two legs of my flight plan! And it is following the plan too. Grin

Mark

EDIT: The link was showing the wrong image. So I update this post on Sep 8th, 2010 at 4:46am. Sorry. Sad


  

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #54 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 5:48am
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Yes it is working, except the course of the second leg is totally wrong (see my post)! For example:

1st leg programmed to "A":
Course: 300 Distance 20 miles

2nd leg programmed to "B":
Course: 330 Distance: 20 miles


The first leg works fine (in AUTO mode), and it switches to the 2nd leg automatically. BUT, now instead to turn to the programmed course of 330, the plane turns to a HDG of 050.  Huh Even the leg on the map shows the wrong direction.... Thats some sort of wierd!
  

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #55 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:37am
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So when you guys set up and switch to A for your first leg, it doesn't reset the miles? I can't imagine what I'm doing wrong -- after all, the instructions are pretty simple. Maybe you could provide a step by step?

EDIT: Never mind. According to the tutorial, something is going wrong when I switch to A. Instead of showing the route, the miles just reset and I get nothing. I don't think this is operator error.  I'm glad it's working for others, though.
  

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Reply #56 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 12:20pm
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Tim Capps wrote on Sep 7th, 2010 at 11:37am:
So when you guys set up and switch to A for your first leg, it doesn't reset the miles? I can't imagine what I'm doing wrong -- after all, the instructions are pretty simple. Maybe you could provide a step by step?

EDIT: Never mind. According to the tutorial, something is going wrong when I switch to A. Instead of showing the route, the miles just reset and I get nothing. I don't think this is operator error. I'm glad it's working for others, though.

Hi Tim.

You MUST turn the Stage Selector to A AFTER you turn the Control Switch to MAN or AUTO. If you turn the Stage Selector to A before you turn the Control Switch to MAN or AUTO, it will reset the miles to 0 (zero).

More woes though! Sad

I just did a flight from YMML (Melbourne) to YSSY (Sydney). I set A to 45o and 372 miles and I set B to 5o 10 miles. This should have given me a flight path to out over the coast off of Sydney then a 30o intercept for ILS 34L. As the flight progressed, the heading slowly move to 38o (instead of 45o) which put me on the coast at Sydney, with an intercept on ILS 34L near impossible. Then, when I got to the start of B anyway, it turned to a heading of 225o with a distance of 372 miles. It was returning me back to Melbourne!

On the other test I was doing, from Seattle, I set it all up on the ground just prior to takeoff. As soon as I turned the A/P to NAV, it turned to intercept the course. With my Melbourne to Sydney trip, it refused to set while I was still on the ground. It worked fine once I was airborne. It's sure got me beat. Undecided

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Re: Doppler Navigation
Reply #57 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 1:15pm
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You MUST turn the Stage Selector to A AFTER you turn the Control Switch to MAN or AUTO. If you turn the Stage Selector to A before you turn the Control Switch to MAN or AUTO, it will reset the miles to 0 (zero).


Doesn't make any difference for me. I put it on standby or off and the selector switch in neutral to set up my legs. Then I turn it to auto. Then I turn the selector switch to A. It resets miles to some number; last time it was 23 instead of 13. I never see the red line on the Shift+4 map. I am not loading a flight plan if that makes any difference and this is on the ground during preflight. I just tried it again. No joy.

If some of the most knowledgable and dedicated (or at least diligent) people are having problems I don't think clearer instructions are going to help. There are only so many ways you can do these steps and I've tried them all, I think, to no avail.

EDIT: It does seem to make a difference whether you are on the ground or in the air.  In the air I was at least able to get the red line and have it intercept.  But no luck switching back and forth in manual mode.  And the miles are still resetting and the line disappearing whenever I make a change.  I still say it isn't working right.
  

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Reply #58 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 1:32pm
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Hi Tim.

I'm doing another flight at the same time as I'm writing this. YMML to YSSY again (because it's only 1 - 1.2 hours). I couldn't get it to accept the plan until airborne again! I am getting A to work (364 miles 45o). B probably wont (12 miles at 12o). I'll know in an hour. 130 miles down the track and my heading is now 43o which looks like it wont get me far enough off the coast to enable a good ILS intercept.

After this. I'm going to try from the 707-300 Cleared for takeoff (KSEA) flight, and see if I can start it whilst on the ground, again, like the first time.

Mark

EDIT-Sep 7th, 2010 at 2:09pm: I have just finished the flight. Have a look at the image. If you look closely at it, the B route line (white) is running back in the opposite direction to the A route line. Look at what I have entered for B though! After reaching the end of A, B changed to 360 miles to the south instead of 12 miles north.

  

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Reply #59 - Sep 7th, 2010 at 5:28pm
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Why make this so complicated? I just make sure the Doppler is ON, load a flight plan, take off, engage the AP and set it to NAV, done deal!
  

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