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Nyxx Full Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #30 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 9:06am	Print Post
	A little confused here, Not tyred this yet but here goes.... OK I have a flight plan build in fsx it has e.g 6 legs. I print it out so i know the HDG's and the miles to each leg I do the Doppler set up for the first two legs as I sit at the ramp, When I am on route to the second leg (B) how do I then enter the 3rd leg? etc? ATM i just use VOR-VOR when flying the 707 useing the Doppler means you can use normal airways etc yes?

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #31 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 11:31am	Print Post
	Nyxx wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 9:06am: A little confused here, Not tyred this yet but here goes.... OK I have a flight plan build in fsx it has e.g 6 legs. I print it out so i know the HDG's and the miles to each leg I do the Doppler set up for the first two legs as I sit at the ramp, When I am on route to the second leg (B) how do I then enter the 3rd leg? etc? ATM i just use VOR-VOR when flying the 707 useing the Doppler means you can use normal airways etc yes? In theory, you would have leg one on A, leg two on B. Then while you're on B, you would enter leg three on A. And yes, you can use airways and intersections because doppler navigation is completely independent of radio aids. You can also just load the flight plan and have the airplane follow it without further messing with the doppler navigation system, which is the only way I can get it to work so far.

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #32 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 11:40am	Print Post
	asanal wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 2:20am: You have to load flight plan or it will not work. DN doesn't create a �flight plan . Hmmm. The tutorial doesn't mention a flight plan. It seems to me that it should be working by inputs into the DNS, as well as by loading a flight plan as a kind of "cheat." All the steps in the tutorial are completely unnecessary if you're going to load a flight plan and have it followed automatically.

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Captain Sim 2 CS Team Offline Posts: 5564 Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #33 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 1:24pm	Print Post
	Tim and all, please make sure you have applied the fix in the KB#5953.

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #34 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	Captain Sim 2 wrote on Aug 27^th, 2010 at 1:24pm: Tim and all, please make sure you have applied the fix in the KB#5953. I did, and set the controls on the DNS. �I was able to see the route on the map like I'm supposed to. �A is my active route in red, and B is in white. But when I turn it to man or auto, the "miles to go" value changes and I no longer have a route on the map. �So it is starting out fine, but then something is interfering and preventing me from using it manually.

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JayG Senior Member Offline Posts: 330 Joined: Jan 12^th, 2007	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #35 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 1:02am	Print Post
	[/quote] I did, and set the controls on the DNS. �I was able to see the route on the map like I'm supposed to. �A is my active route in red, and B is in white. �But when I turn it to man or auto, the "miles to go" value changes and I no longer have a route on the map. �So it is starting out fine, but then something is interfering and preventing me from using it manually. [/quote] I experimented today with this. Everytime I switched from A to B it dumped the flight plan. I reloaded the FP and just let it follow it without any further switching, it worked as it should.

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asanal Senior Member Offline Posts: 522 Location: Flemington,NJ USA Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #36 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 2:15am	Print Post
	5953 completed. No flight plan . Only A+B mileage and courses selected. On Map A course blue line appeared when arrived at B mileage numbers disappeared plane started to circling.


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asanal Senior Member Offline Posts: 522 Location: Flemington,NJ USA Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #37 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 6:50am	Print Post
	Att: Captain Sim, I spent couple of hours to identify the problem with K#5953. Finally I found it. Every time I rename the 5953 "dpl.pln", it is transferring a flight plan to FS as: KSEA (34R) to KSFF. Therefore DNS doest work. Captain Sim will you please check the contains of "dpl.pln" file. I also tried as 707dpl.pln, same results. Sanal


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12371 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #38 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 12:04pm	Print Post
	Hi Sanal You are right. The contents of the dpl.pln are as follows: <?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?> <SimBase.Document Type="AceXML" version="1,0"> � �<Descr>AceXML Document</Descr> � �<FlightPlan.FlightPlan> � � � �<Title>KSEA to KSFF</Title> � � � �<FPType>VFR</FPType> � � � �<CruisingAlt>13500</CruisingAlt> � � � �<DepartureID>KSEA</DepartureID> � � � �<DepartureLLA>N47� 25' 53.58",W122� 18' 28.83",+000433.00</DepartureLLA> � � � �<DestinationID>KSFF</DestinationID> � � � �<DestinationLLA>N47� 40' 45.56",W117� 19' 52.10",+001953.00</DestinationLLA> � � � �<Descr>KSEA, KSFF</Descr> � � � �<DeparturePosition>34R</DeparturePosition> � � � �<DepartureName>Seattle-Tacoma Intl</DepartureName> � � � �<DestinationName>Felts</DestinationName> � � � �<AppVersion> � � � � � �<AppVersionMajor>10</AppVersionMajor> � � � � � �<AppVersionBuild>61637</AppVersionBuild> � � � �</AppVersion> � � � �<ATCWaypoint id="KSEA"> � � � � � �<ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType> � � � � � �<WorldPosition>N47� 25' 53.58",W122� 18' 28.83",+000433.00</WorldPosition> � � � � � �<ICAO> � � � � � � � �<ICAOIdent>KSEA</ICAOIdent> � � � � � �</ICAO> � � � �</ATCWaypoint> � � � �<ATCWaypoint id="KSFF"> � � � � � �<ATCWaypointType>Airport</ATCWaypointType> � � � � � �<WorldPosition>N47� 40' 45.56",W117� 19' 52.10",+001953.00</WorldPosition> � � � � � �<ICAO> � � � � � � � �<ICAOIdent>KSFF</ICAOIdent> � � � � � �</ICAO> � � � �</ATCWaypoint> � �</FlightPlan.FlightPlan> </SimBase.Document> It appears to be a direct GPS flight plan from KSEA to KSFF without waypoints in between. Mark

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #39 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 1:34pm	Print Post
	I tried a New York to LA flight pland just loaded automatically, and it turned my multi-legged plan into a single leg (which then extended to Hawaii!). EDIT: This time automatic flight is behaving properly. (Still no joy with manual, though).

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12371 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #40 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	The fix was only to rename the incorrectly named 707dpl.pln, to dpl.pln, that was placed in Users\USERNAME\Documents\Flight Simulator X files\ when the 707 was installed. Maybe they don't realize there is a mistake/error within it. Mark

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asanal Senior Member Offline Posts: 522 Location: Flemington,NJ USA Joined: Jul 9^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #41 - Aug 28^th, 2010 at 6:41pm	Print Post
	I re-change the name, but problem continued. I found "dpl.pln went to FS flight plan list. You have to delete from there also. I am glad we are all very interested in Cs707 and other Cs products. Therefore we are watching closely to identify the problems and bring to CS attention. When all problems are eliminated 707 will fly high. DTS was the navigation backbone in late 1960. It is good we can turn time back and feel those days and how sophisticated airplanes crossed the oceans.


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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #42 - Aug 30^th, 2010 at 6:06am	Print Post
	Has anyone already created a ticket for this problem??? Because if we dont, the problem wont be fixed with the next update! Ive tried the mentioned fix in K#5953, but manual (without loading an FS-flightplan) inpunts didnt work after Ive turned the system on. In STBY I had the red line on the map as it should be. But after Ive turned the system to AUTO the mileage changed to "000" and the plane started to turn...


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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #43 - Aug 30^th, 2010 at 11:41am	Print Post
	I created a ticket. Passed along to our developers for further consideration. I bet they get this fixed.

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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: Doppler Navigation Reply #44 - Aug 30^th, 2010 at 7:59pm	Print Post
	Ok, thanks! � I hope they do, but if we get a working INS in the VC we get a very good alternative solution... �


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