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Re: Thinking about getting this computer
Reply #15 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 7:50pm
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Hey, CoolP!

I can't explain any of this!!   Grin  

Here's da man though ---

http://www.simforums.com/forums/haswell-48ghz-on-air-building-a-haswell-system_t...

Budget or no --- 3 drives are the way to go!! Surely he can squeeze out a few more $$ for a third 500Gb mechanical drive -- or maybe 2x500Gb instead of one Tb. I haven't priced that opyion, but I doubt it would break the bank!??
  
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Reply #16 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 8:13pm
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Thanks for the link.

I've also checked on the Avsim guide to look for an explanation (which can be very technical of course). Now the Nick and the Avsim guide are similar when it comes to 'telling' something. Don't read this the wrong way, I'm not saying this sort of spreading information is wrong or that the info itself is.  But I find it easier to follow a recommendation if the background is given and can be explained. University style.

Now what I did, being the owner of plenty of drives, is to test out if my Crysis3 or AutoCAD installation affect the FSX drive in any way. It doesn't, since there's no access happening. I've measured it and even checked my subjective impression. The latter with the help of my gf which set up a blind test for me. This avoids running into what's call the confirmation bias. Mainly, when you know that your drive is 'cleaner', you 'will see it' even if there isn't any sign at all. Human factors, huh?   Shocked

So when you don't know if your gf has copied over the Crysis and AutoCAD files, you are looking at your FSX in the most objective way. To be honest, I used her skills on some more tests, which was easy as she's interested in the general testing topic. Guess we share that much.  Cheesy

Back to the drives and guides. I could read the Nick stuff in more than one way. As so often with text. I prefer formulas or the mentioned technical background. Other than the reasons given in a previous post (http://captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1375581365/11#11), I can't find anything technical which would suggest a 'better' system with three drives.

The Avsim guide does the same. It tells people to do something (not being bad at all, but perhaps having zero influence on their sim) and expects them to follow this guidance. Repeating it then makes it true. And you actually repeat it, this being the reason I asked you by the way. Smiley Now if they would add a chapter on the technical background and/or testing, I'd be much happier with it.

In short, I do read what they say, but I can't follow or support it without extra info. Hence my suggestion, especially for a budget system, to stay with two disks. No harm done and most likely some money saved.
  
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Reply #17 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 8:41pm
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This guy Nick has credentials as long as your arm. If you want to challenge his knowledge and expertise or even ask for technical data back up give me a few minutes to get the beer and popcorn -- cuz this I would like to witness!!  Grin

Seriously, why don't you join the SimForums and ask what he bases this on. I don't really care, because I'm not interested in the really technical stuff, nor would I understand--- but it would be interesting to observe!! In fact I double dog dare ya!!!   Wink

Btw, Nick is the author of Ground Environment X.
  
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Re: Thinking about getting this computer
Reply #18 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 8:50pm
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Hi Bernoulli,

You are almost there with this setup.

However, I would like to add a few comments;

I think that you should get Asrock z87m Extreme4 or Z87 Extreme4 instead of Extreme3. The reason being that the Extreme4 boards come with 8 and 12 phase power systems, which is preferable when overclocking. Alternatively, Asus z87 Gryphon or MSI Z87 GD45 could be considered - both have 8 phase power design.

Secondly, with an i5 4670K cpu, I wouldn´t consider anything less than a GTX 760 GPU. If you really want to minimize shimmering, jaggies etc, high AA and AF settings would be needed, which is very hard on the GPU, and independent of the CPU. Remember, I´m here talking about Image Quality, not frames per second.
When I fly in heavily clouded areas (REX E clouds), my GTX 570 often becomes the bottleneck in my old AMD based rig... Hence, I would definately not ignore the importance of a powerful GPU with FSX.

Thirdly, regarding the harddisk configuration; A 120GB SSD for windows 7-64 bit, and a 500 GB WD Velociraptor for FSX+ addons, would be fine, and cost less than having only SSD´s.
Today I´m using a 250 GB Velociraptor for FSX, storing all my FS Global 2010 mesh and REX Essentials Plus OD on a slower 1 TB WD Black. This works fine, and loading is much faster than when I had everything on one big C-drive.

And finally, you should also consider Nick N´s Windows 7 tweaks. Made my OS much snappier, and uses less RAM.
Avsims/Kostas/Nick´s mods in FSX shouldn´t be regarded as "tweaks". I would rather call it Service Pack 3 for FSX..

Just my experience and what I would do if I should upgrade.

BR,
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Reply #19 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 9:25pm
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btscott wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 8:41pm:
but it would be interesting to observe!! In fact I double dog dare ya!!!   Wink

Haha, I see, it's all about the show.  Tongue But, more seriously, isn't he just receiving or posting a lot of stuff concerning the new FTX (=competition) release?

We wouldn't be the flight sim community if we wouldn't fight over just some textures, eh? Shocked Grin
  
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Reply #20 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:45pm
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Well, he has a few personality flaws (I don't  Smiley) but he has been the go-to-guy for many years on all aspects of FS hardware and software. He has guided most of the FS community from his throne for a long, long time, and when we had less impressive hardware a few years ago he was a miracle worker for all of us. He was in contact with Phil Taylor lead programmer for MS Aces when FSX was released, and he now even consults with Nvidia. The folks at O&O Defrag took his advice as well. As AndersCN mentioned above, he even has an extensive Windows 7 tweaking guide (makes me dizzy)! So if you challenge him --- bring your *A* game!

Nick can be abrasive and condescending to the point of being insulting. He WAS the main poster on AVSIM for years until he was rebuked by T. Allensworth a couple years ago for his style. So he took his bat and ball and went home. He now posts only on SimForums. If you go there and read all his guides and posts it will take you about 6 months!

Yes, he is defensive regarding GEX vs FTX Global, but he does have a couple valid points. Unfortunately his style makes it look like sour grapes and bitterness. The community really needs him though -- so I think we should take up a collection and get him some sensitivity training!   Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #21 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:27am
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Bernoulli wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 7:28am:
virge wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 4:26am:
Bernoulli wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 11:04pm:
Thanks Mark:
Well... I have been doing more research and I think I will have a local computer company build me a computer that is very similar but with a few changes.

I have two questions for anyone in the know about this build:

1. Is this motherboard good?:  ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150

2. As far as storage is it enough storage to have windows 7 on a 120GB SSD, have FSX on a second 120GB SSD, and have evrything else on a 1TB HDD?

Below are the details of the computer:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk 
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 650 2GB Video Card   
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  
Case: Thermaltake Commander MS-I Epic Edition (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)

Thanks for any replies Smiley
The general thinking is that windows 7 should be on its own drive, and your games especially FSX on another separate drive.


So if I am on a buget, which I am, would you suggest I nix one of the two 120GB SSD's and just go with a single 120GB SSD plus a 1TB hard drive?
Thanks Smiley


I agree with CoolP about the SSD drives.
  

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Reply #22 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:38am
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CoolP wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 1:58pm:
I once thought that SSDs would give FSX a boost. So I ran a few. As mentioned, only the loading times were nice, the rest remained unchanged. So now it's sitting on a large mechanical disk, in the way you are describing it, one exclusively for FSX and the OS then sits on a SSD. Should be the cheapest and largest solution these days.

Now, if you would plan to keep your FSX folder very small, the 120gb SSD won't harm you. It's just that one can exceed that limit rather quickly. So if there was a larger benefit and if the prices in relation to the size were lower, I'd say it would be more of a go.

A few points to virge's post.
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If your monitor displays natively 1920x1080 or higher, I believe anti-aliasing is more of a hindrance on performance, and is not worth the small improvement at these higher resolutions.

I beg to differ. A lot actually, since you don't seem to relate to the image quality improvements on especially analogue gauges in the VC. You can only receive those if you run a method called transparency antialiasing which, usually, isn't as demanding in other games. Now FSX features the rather old-ish system for displaying clouds, which renders (literally) any kind of antialiasing a bigger hurdle, even for modern cards. Cloudy skies need the big cards when it comes to using image quality enhancements. Hence my note on the GTX650 being everything else than a big one. The small step to e.g. a GTX660(Ti) will help a lot.

You are right with saying that a LCD running at the native resolution ensures a good image quality, but since we are not running any high dpi displays with desktop PCs (like e.g. mobile devices would do), the need for antialiasing isn't broken. In fact, it's even more stressed and I doubt that people who ever saw the improvements on the gauges in the cockpit (means lines on digital ones and needles on analogue) will want to go back. Same goes for looking at how fences are rendered or how the edges of the trees come in. Any edges to be precise.

Examples.
Here's one shot from another DX9 engine showing a single tree without and with antialiasing. http://www.hardocp.com/image.html?image=MTMyMjQ1MzM1NG1SdFV6cExsSmZfM18yX2wucG5n Now one may think 'would I ever see the difference when the picture is moving?' That's a good question and the answer is yes. People often refer to the effect as 'shimmering' as the movement causes the sharp edges to sort of.. shimmer.

For folks asking 'what is antialiasing and why would I ever need it?', perhaps Wikipedia helps to explain the basics. But I've found the articles really working with pictures to be better. For example, take this one explaining the method especially for fine lines. http://www.anandtech.com/show/2116/13

For more basics, more pictures and more examples, this one is very good. http://www.overclock.net/t/1329979/anti-aliasing-the-basics

It mainly describes why lines come in 'edgy' on low dpi (dots per inch, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dots_per_inch) screens like the ones we are running on a PC. If any of you would run a very modern '4K' screen, this low dpi statement doesn't apply. For the rest, it does. If you want to see high dpi screens in action which would indeed render antialiasing useless, pick some of your friend's phones and tablets. Mind that they have the 'retina' displays (as Apple calls them) or just head for a current Samsung or HTC model. Those are very high dpi displays (350+ dpi) where you can't make out the single pixel basis with the naked eye. Hence the marketing name. As said, for normal PC displays, this high dpi scenario isn't really available. At least it's very expensive and card would have to render the native 4K resolution which is 3840 pixels × 2160. Only when being run on a 'small' display, you will achieve high dpi though.

So, in short, low dpi displays like ours will always need a picture improvement like antialiasing and texture filtering to allow for a sharp and non-shimmering impression.  Smiley


For the guys wanting to try certain antialiasing methods, perhaps check out the ones being labelled supersampling. Those can work full screen and/or just on transparent textures. And the image quality gains are huge while, the higher you go, the performance demands also increase. That's actually the way to stress modern cards, even in other games, since no one will run a GTX680 without antialiasing when it's available. Fps gains are only one factor for huge cards, image quality is the other one.

So if you haven't tried it so far or always wondered how it works, looks and feels, I'd encourage you to do so. To be honest, the fact of never having tried would be the only way I can imagine someone saying that it 'is not worth the small improvement.'  Smiley

Since I'm currently far away from my FSX, I can't provide some personal screenshots. But I'll be happy to do so with one of my favourite planes, the 707. With the analogue gauges, it's very obvious how transparency antialiasing helps and why I'd even call it mandatory. Not to forget that the scenery around you, especially trees, receives an enhancement too. With 'bigger' cards, that's possible.  Smiley

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A quad core CPU such as an i7 3770 or better, is a better choice then an i5, because there also other features in an i7 besides speed that are superior to an i5

The i5 processor Bernoulli was planning on is a quad core. The i7 model features the so called Hyper-Threading feature which doesn't do much for FSX. That's from my experience running such a CPU, disabling HT and then testing FSX. No difference.

When comparing current Haswell CPU cores (which he planned on), we are talking about two main differences on the i5 vs. i7 cores. The existence of the mentioned Hyper-Threading feature and 8mb over 6mb 3rd level cache. When running at the same clock speeds, FSX won't care for the HT and does not react to the extra cache. So the main gain for extra performance will happen when increasing the core clocks, which any 'K' model will allow. By this, Bernoulli may have picked just the right model as this is a 'K' and also comes in way cheaper than the corresponding i7 variant.

If he would want to run other applications, especially scientific or video encoding ones and/or if the price difference wouldn't be as big, I would agree with the i7 being the way better choice. Currently, for FSX only, I very much doubt that in value terms.


I "never" stated that anti-aliasing is a bad thing, but rather in the case of FSX, which is a directX 9 product, and as such can not take advantage of the features in superior cards that support directX 11 , and the fact that it seems he is on a budget, I still believe that anti-aliasing is of limited value in this situation. I have used anti-aliasing in FSX, and I see very little difference at high resolutions.
  

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Re: Thinking about getting this computer
Reply #23 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:42am
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btscott wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 6:36pm:
FWIW -- Conventional wisdom, from almost the beginning, says FSX should reside on it's own, dedicated hard drive. I won't quote the AVSIM FSX Guide because it's copyrighted, however the AVSIM Software and Hardware Guide for FSX was assembled, and is maintained, by Paul Johnson and is available to members on the AVSIM Forum. If you read Nicks *FSX Bible* over at SimForums it's covered in even more depth. Nick, as abrasive as he sometimes is, is still the ultimate FSX Guru -- all things considered. (my opinion)

Ideally, you should have 3 drives - one for the OS, one for FSX and one for all the other stuff.

Too, I have also read, many times, that a mechanical drive should not be filled beyond 60-65% and an SSD drive not beyond 80% for maximum efficiency. That should also be a consideration when determining the size of storage.



I tend to think that three drives for the reasons you give, is overkill. Of course it is not necessarily a bad thing to have three drives, but I think two in this instance is sufficient.
  

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Reply #24 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:57am
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Thanks for the tips AndersCN, however it is too late now. The gentleman who is building this computer for has already ordered the parts. He was also kind enough to upgrade my GPU from an EVGA GTX 650 To a gigabyte grforce 650ti 2gb.
I'll let Ya'll know how it all works in the next couple weeks.
The final build details are as follows:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  
Video Card: gigabyte grforce 650ti 2gb OC
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  
Case: gigabyte grforce 650ti 2gb. Commander MS-I Epic Edition (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  
  

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Reply #25 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:02am
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Bernoulli wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 3:43pm:
Thanks for the comments Coolp. Smiley

So... Is there any problem with FSX on a 1TB hard drive with other programs too? I don't plan on putting too much other stuff on the hard drive with FSX... Maybe just MS Office and some other small stuff. That will not compromise the performance of FSX will it?


Like i previously stated, FSX is CPU intensive, and as such the faster the clock speed of the CPU the better. All other hardware is secondary to the CPU in the case of FSX. Anti-aliasing in many cases is more of a personal preference, since different people place different value in its worth. Sort of like saying it is in the eye of the beholder. Now having said that, anti-aliasing, and all other advancements in computer hardware, all give an overall better experience for the user, but when a budget is limited, then some choices must be made. In the case of anti-aliasing as one example, it is a relative resource hog, given the fact that when a person has an issue with FPS in FSX, one of the very first remedies is to reduce or even disable anti-aliasing in order to achieve better frame rates. After all if your simulation is going to look like a slide show rather then a fluid motion picture, then your experience is going to be ruined. In the end it is your choice, but my advice is to buy the best that you can afford. It is true that in raw clock speed, and the limitations of FSX, that an i5 is probably just as good as an i7, but you should also consider trying to maximize your investment as well by buying something that will have a longer lifespan.
  

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Reply #26 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:05am
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Bernoulli wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 1:57am:
Thanks for the tips AndersCN, however it is too late now. The gentleman who is building this computer for has already ordered the parts. He was also kind enough to upgrade my GPU from an EVGA GTX 650 To a gigabyte grforce 650ti 2gb.
I'll let Ya'll know how it all works in the next couple weeks.
The final build details are as follows:

CPU: Intel Core i5-4670K 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor 
CPU Cooler: Corsair H60 54.0 CFM Liquid CPU Cooler  
Motherboard: ASRock Z87 Extreme3 ATX LGA1150 Motherboard
Memory: Corsair Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory  
Storage: Sandisk Extreme 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk 
Storage: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive  
Video Card: gigabyte grforce 650ti 2gb OC
Wireless Network Adapter: Rosewill RNX-N250PCe 802.11b/g/n PCI-Express x1 Wi-Fi Adapter  
Case: gigabyte grforce 650ti 2gb. Commander MS-I Epic Edition (Black) ATX Mid Tower Case
Power Supply: Corsair Professional 750W 80 PLUS Gold Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply 
Optical Drive: LG GH24NS95 DVD/CD Writer
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional SP1 (OEM) (64-bit)  


What was the difference in cost between Windows 7 64 bit Premium to Windows 764 bit Professional, if you don't mind my asking.
  

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Reply #27 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:22am
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Two drives it is!! My last comment would be to put FSX and all FSX add-ons(nothing else) on the 1 Tb drive and w7, MS Office and anything else on the SSD. FSX will be happier with it's own home.

A direct quote from Nick Needham -

HARD DRIVE TIPS FOR HIGH PERFORMANCE (ALL DRIVE TYPES):

- WHEN SSD SPACE IS LIMITED DUE TO ADDON SPACE CONSUMPTION, USE THE LARGEST MECHANICAL DISK PLATTER DRIVE FOR A DEDICATED FSX INSTALL

- DO NOT INSTALL LARGE DATABASE ADDONS (REX-GEX-FEX-AS2012, ETC) TO THE FSX DRIVE OR WINDOWS, POINT THEM TO A 'DEAD STORAGE' DRIVE **

- WHEN EVER POSSIBLE, USE SATA CLASS SSD -OR- PCIE STORAGE CONTROLLERS FOR THE BEST DISK PERFORMANCE WITH FSX

- RUN FSX AND PRIMARY ADDONS THAT REQUIRE INSTALLATION DIRECTLY INTO FSX ON ITS OWN DEDICATED HARD DRIVE

- INSTALL LARGE PHOTOSCENERY DATABASES TO THEIR OWN DEDICATED HARD DRIVE(S) AND POINT FSX TO IT

- MULTIPLE DISK SYSTEMS ARE FAR BETTER AND ALLOW MORE OPTIONS THAN SINGLE

- DON'T FALL FOR THE "HYBRID MECHANICAL DRIVE" OR 'CACHE' MARKETING GAME

- YOUR SATA CABLES MUST BE RATED FOR THE PORT AND DRIVE SPEED

- PSU MUST BE RATED WITH A LARGE NUMBER OF DISKS

- THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS 'TOO MANY' DISKS

- RAID IS NONSENSE AND A WASTE
  
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Reply #28 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 5:40am
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So I am new to FSX...and I would like to get it set up on my new computer properly and then apply Captain Sim software. This may sound dumb, but I'm a bit confused about FSX Gold and Acceleration. should I purchase FSX gold version and also Acceleration, or can I just buy acceleration by itself?

I'm thinking I will need FSX gold and then add acceleration as it contains both SP1 and SP2. Am I wrong about this?

Also, any suggestions on where to get a good deal on purchasing FS software?

Thanks guys Smiley
  

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The gold version should include the acceleration pack. But I think they come on separate disks, so you should install FSX itself and then run the acceleration addon installer, which should take care of updating the base version to the latest one. That's from 2007 by the way. See how old the soft is?  Undecided

virge wrote on Aug 7th, 2013 at 2:02am:
Anti-aliasing in many cases is more of a personal preference, since different people place different value in its worth.

I very much agree although I'd like to point out that the reference links given in my previous post should show a bit of the image improvement coming in with using antialiasing. And, as said, I'm happy to provide some example shots with a very good candidate for the use of antialiasing, the VC of the CS 707. Beautiful as it is, those gauges need a proper environment. And that's just one example.

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when a person has an issue with FPS in FSX, one of the very first remedies is to reduce or even disable anti-aliasing in order to achieve better frame rates.

That's most likely where we differ a lot. I wouldn't sacrifice antialiasing and I also doubt that the low fps scenarios in FSX are caused by it. If your approach or departure at a crowded airport comes in with low fps, you are most likely seeing the CPU limit of the old sim engine. Therefore, the remedy would either be to increase the CPU speed or to lower the scene's detail. No change on the antialiasing.

Low fps due to the use of (too much) antialiasing might happen in clouds, hence the tip to go the rather small step from the GTX650 to 660. The product name numbers of those cards may be close but the performance increase is very significant. In fact, it's pretty much the largest increase in performance on the whole Nvidia lineup with just going one model further. So the next step, which would be from going from the 660Ti to the 670, is much smaller for example.

I think that, with picking the 660Ti, the OP has made the right choice to allow for even cloudy skies to receive proper and fast filtering. I myself only run a GTX570 (which gets outperformed by the 660) and can happily report some good performance in cloudy skies. Now if I would crank up the antialiasing some more or if I had a smaller card, I would see more impact. So, on that point, we may agree to some extent.

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i5 is probably just as good as an i7, but you should also consider trying to maximize your investment as well by buying something that will have a longer lifespan.

Partial agreement. But it's a case by case decision. When looking at the current prices for the i7 and 'corresponding' i5 CPU and the close to zero effect on FSX when it comes to the small technical differences, a 'longer lifespan' can't be assumed. Even on a modern sim engine, which would be X-Plane, the i5 doesn't lack of any power as the modern sim engine makes more use of a modern graphic card. So, for this future and lifespan, you are equal on the old FSX engine and better off with the larger graphics card on e.g. X-Plane or DCS World.

The examples for making use of the i7 incorporated tech were given before. They did not include any current sim engine. That's from testing all of them. So, indeed, there is a choice to be made when it comes to buying the stuff and, most of all, looking at the price steps for getting the bigger equipment.
  
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