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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #30 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:32am
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CoolP wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 12:16am:
Nice find, Morten. Now if you would edit the wingspan of the 767 slightly, it may work. I don't think that this value has much effects on e. g. the aircraft behaviour or even the optics. It may just be there for the crash detection and for the things like the pushback.
FSX models the flight model based on other parameters if I'm correct, so the enhanced parking and slightly altered crash detection may indeed be the only noticeable effects.

To back up my assumption, here's the text from the FSX SDK.
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[airplane_geometry]
This section has been added mainly for reference. Although you can edit these values by hand here in the aircraft.cfg file, modification of some of these variables will have little to no effect on airplane performance, as the flight model aerodynamic coefficients are all located in the .air file.

So maybe give it a try to get her running at the medium parking.


Exactly the same thing crossed my mind, as I mentioned over at GSX:

http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=5949.new;topicseen#new

It's worth a try!

BTW, while at GSX, have you read this:
http://www.fsdreamteam.com/forum/index.php?topic=5963.new;topicseen#new   Grin
  

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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #31 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 3:20am
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Nice Easter egg on the dancing guy.  Grin
Did you try the wingspan tweak already? Maybe that triggers another behaviour of the people.  Shocked
  
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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #32 - Feb 22nd, 2012 at 4:47am
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Morten wrote on Feb 22nd, 2012 at 1:32am:

Drats! My parking is nearly always crappy according to that dancing fool marshaller, so I only get told I'm too far forward, back, left or right. Even when I am in the correct position (when looking from the outside). Sad
  

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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #33 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:55am
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Ok, now I edited the cs767-300 aircraft.cfg - from wing_span=156.083333 to 150.80 feet and as expected, I'm now allowed to park at any Medium gate!  Wink

This gives me a parking radius of 22,98 m - max. is 23 m. for standard Medium Gates  
  

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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #34 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:37am
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Morten wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:55am:
Ok, now I edited the cs767-300 aircraft.cfg - from wing_span=156.083333 to 150.80 feet and as expected, I'm now allowed to park at any Medium gate!  Wink

This gives me a parking radius of 22,98 m - max. is 23 m. for standard Medium Gates  

Thank you for that Morten. I shall go and do that. I hope it doesn't affect the flight dynamics though.

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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #35 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 2:47am
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Yes....yet to be tested! I keep my backup aircraft.cfg in a save place!  Smiley
  

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Reply #36 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:57am
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Markoz wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:37am:
Thank you for that Morten. I shall go and do that. I hope it doesn't affect the flight dynamics though.

Shocked http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/design/size/starr-bumble-bee.jpg
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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #37 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 7:11am
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CoolP wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 4:57am:
Markoz wrote on Feb 23rd, 2012 at 1:37am:
Thank you for that Morten. I shall go and do that. I hope it doesn't affect the flight dynamics though.

Shocked http://www.aerospaceweb.org/question/design/size/starr-bumble-bee.jpg
'Erm, ok, perhaps you've reduced too much. Nice paint though.'

Yes. Definitely reduced too much! Still should have kept the two jet engines for it though! Tongue
  

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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #38 - Feb 23rd, 2012 at 12:14pm
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I know what you are speaking of, Mark.  Cool
http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1312159303/10#10
No problems with the turn radius, I guess.  Grin
  
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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #39 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 4:48pm
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Guys, two things!

1. I've just had some indeed embarrassing moments over at GSX!  Embarrassed
Trying to convince each and everyone that the 767-300 goes under the "Medium" category and not "Heavy" - Why? Because as it turns out that our good CS developers mistakenly has put the 767-300 into the Medium category in their configuration! No good!!

After reading actual facts, I had to apologize over there in every way I could:

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/arctypes.asp

In other words, no wonder that we're being refused to park at medium gates, for crying out loud!


2. While we are at ground service issues, it took me quite awhile to realize that another company actually crave cool cash (so called "credits") in order to let their jetways move in their airports! You have to install their AES wide range ground service ongobongo app. Somewhat similar to GSX (subsequently I've seen you debating on this subject elsewhere, CoolP)
Considering the fortune I've already spent loads of money on their superb, yet expensive airports, I have no intentions whatsoever to spend as much as a nickel further! In fact I'm pretty furious, these days. Totally rip off!  Angry

So..! Do we perhaps happens to know of any "cheat code" to release these jetways somehow - a FSX standard feature that another company suddenly decides to crave money for!? Any little magic word into a cfg or a xml file perhaps, you know of..?!!  Undecided
   
     
  

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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #40 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:48pm
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I must admit that I've wondered why you wanted to have the 767 on the medium spots. However, I couldn't see anything being wrong with that wish. From the sheer parking space, you may be very happy with the 767 at some medium parking. The heavy ones are often limited at the sim airports and aim for some larger planes I think.

That heavy on the callsigns is an ATC only value. It does not necessarily take the actual size of the plane into account, but only the caused wake turbulence. For instance, that's the reason for the smaller 757 being a heavy too. The ATC based stuff isn't looking for the weight or the size of the thing, but simply for the 'upset' air it causes for planes behind it. So the A380 whale e. g. comes with a 'super'.

To sum it up, your wish for parking a heavy plane at some medium spot is very reasonable. And since the heavy tag is for ATC only, it makes sense to park the small 767 (compared to e. g. the 747) at some medium spot.

On the second topic, I think you've hit the nail on the head. Since another company also sells the AES credits, their airports often come with static jetways and the 'need' to then buy some to get that default feature working.
To be fair, AES of course does a lot more than any default feature. However, if one is just up for working jetways, being available at every default 'gate' airport, he soon runs out of options. On big airports, those credits aren't cheap.

It's a true default feature by any means, but I think it fails or just causes extra work with really detailed jetway models. However, certain (good) devs always offered working models, FSDT being one of them.
  
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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #41 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 5:58pm
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Ok, on one hand this, on the other hand that....but no clues to "cheat codes" I guess....  Huh
  

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Reply #42 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 7:30pm
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I think that users may have tried to replace the custom jetways with some default ones, to gain the moving parts at otherwise nice addon airports. But I've never read about any success there.

A twofold problem. Addon devs spoiling the default FSX features and some jetway addon thingy (plus pushback and things) relying on a credit system, needing a huge amount of money to get all airports running. I personally hope that the GSX competition (which currently isn't happening on the jetway part) leads to a better business model. But I actually doubt that it will.

At the end of the day, everyone can decide if e. g. spending 5 credits on a single airport is worth the fun. That's some 7.50 Euros extra on some 25 Euros airports. I've done it that way, but not at all possible locations. It's just too much in my eyes. So a part of my airport arsenal remains static.  Undecided

Again, lets hope GSX expands the services. There is hope.
  
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Reply #43 - Feb 24th, 2012 at 8:11pm
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Come on, lets get naughty over at another company and push for some fast changes, now..!!
I definitely intend to!  Angry
  

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Re: New Ground Service for the 767
Reply #44 - Feb 25th, 2012 at 3:32am
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Morten wrote on Feb 24th, 2012 at 4:48pm:
After reading actual facts, I had to apologize over there in every way I could:

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/arctypes.asp

In other words, no wonder that we're being refused to park at medium gates, for crying out loud!

That refers to Wake Category and not necessarily aircraft size. Although the 757 is a "Heavy", according to the Wake Codes, the actual aircraft size is "Medium". Well that is what I thought it was anyway. I also thought it was the same the 767 as it is for the 757.

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