Just wanted to post my thoughts about the 707

1. There's always engine start pressure even if i dont have turned on the
gnd air. Gauge just above the hyd fluid shutoff.
2. When the turbo compressors are turned on shouldnt they give pressure to the high pressure system when eng bleeds are off?
3. Pressurization as CoolP said.
4. 10 mile warning light remains illuminated after complete shutdown.
now i forget something but i'll post that later 

regards
mikael

I keep on getting flashing lines from a center spot  in the cockpit windshield flashing a black line through out the cockpit and cabin  

Guys, before this thread turns into a "I have flashing textures" thread with "me too" or "I have none" answers, please be advised to put this issue into a separate topic and hopefully write tickets then.

This list was and is intended to show bugs that appear on all systems (like the faulty pressurization for example) and not on some (like the flashing textures, experienced by some people, on their systems and not on all).

For the flashing textures, there already is a thread, revive it if you like, would make sense
http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1286071100

4. The "Coolant Air System Panel" is mixed up with the readings of the "Valve Position Indicator" and "Valve Selector Switch" or the "Turbofan Exit Valve Override Switches".
Talking about this panel


Now, lets look at the pictures that show those mixed up things.
Here you can see the "Turbofan Exit" position of that Switch. Although I set up one exit to be fully open and the other one to be fully closed, the readings show a "half open" (or "half closed" but we should think positive here) on both sides.
So the switches aren't operational it seems.


Now I switched to the "Temp Control" position and made no other changes and you can see, now we have those commanded "open" and "close" readings, but .. you can't command the temp control valves there because they are controlled on another panel concerning the cabin temp and such things.


There are some possibilities now.
The readings might be bound to the wrong switch position, the Valve Override Switches might control the wrong valves (they should influence the Turbofan Exits of course) or the "Valve Selector Switch" (optically) shows one position but is bound to another (internally).

CoolP wrote on Oct 21^st, 2010 at 6:10pm:


According to my 707 manual, this is the rudder hydraulic pressure gauge, and not the engine start air pressure indicator. There is also mentioned such a engine start air pressure indicator in my manual,  but it has got a different scale than the gauge we got in our 707. The one in our 707 has exactly the same look and scale like the rudder hydraulic pressure indicator in my 707 manual. So if there is enough hydraulic pressure, the needle should be in the green band. If no pressure, of course, it should show less or 0 if no pressure is available...

Just by the way: Great work here!  I'll check the frequency control knobs for each generator on the electrics panel, I dont think they're working... And of course will check the radar.

Now I remember, because TheFinn and I had this gauge mentioned before in another list of mine. Do you remember too, The Finn?
I think I was wondering about the readings and after you said that this gauge would show hydraulic pressure of some kind (which would make sense because of the placement on the panel) I just posted the excerpt from the Captain Sim manuals and the issue was "solved" (meaning that we weren't speaking of it anymore).
So, I follow you on the thinking that Captain Sim named this thing "engine start air pressure indicator" but it actually is the "rudder hydraulic pressure gauge".
All we need would be a scan of your book concerning this gauge.

I'd fix the list then with this picture.

I can report the same as Mark, engine start without external air is impossible. This would be another proof for the gauge showing something else but start air pressure.
Again, the placement near the other hydraulics stuff suggests that TheFinn is absolutely right and that just the manuals are wrong on this.

I have to check the frequency knobs too, thanks for the HU on them.

Thanks you for reporting, afmoose.

I too have an issue with the Pitch trim being WAY too sensitive.  I changed the value in the aircraft.cfg for now, but would like to see people that actually know what they are doing to have a stab at it!

THORmx wrote on Oct 23^rd, 2010 at 7:15am:


What exactly did you change, this is driving me crazy too

THORmx wrote on Oct 24^th, 2010 at 2:46am:


Tks, I tried that in the last build but it didnt seem to do anything, I'll give it another shot

Guys, I can't follow you on this trim thing.

Do you use your mouse in the VC or do you use the keyboard shortcuts?
If you use the last thing (which I do too), please check if there is a repeat rate set in the FSX keyboard setup.
That would explain the "over sensitivity".
I don't experience this issue, triming via the keys or my joystick works like on any other plane in my hangar and therefor good.

Has anyone of you already issued a ticket for this? What was the outcome?


And reading about the "10 Mile alert light" the second time, I can only say: Where are the pictures and a description with more details than "no longer works"?
No offense intended. I'm just looking for items that are discuss-able with a short look on a picture and some 1 or 2 sentences explaining them.

Thanks for your help and I think we can applaud to Captain Sim for enabling this attachment option for the guys that don't use (free!) image hoster services.
Feel free to use it.  

I get the 10 Mile alert (Pilot and Co-Pilot) every time if I fly DNS or INS flight. It works fine for me.

@CoolP. I got the L.H. Bottle Inactive Light come on when doing an engine start as per KB#6204. It went out after the #3 Engine started. It's the first time I've seen it since v1.0.

Mark

Jay, if the trim settings works on other peoples planes and using the standard controls for it (I don't know about the CH mechanics and functions), it will be hard to get support there.
For me, this doesn't look like a 1.2 bug to be mentioned or a 707 one. Seems too system and user dependent.

I don't understand the question towards that "non working" radar, WWA1935, because you have at least two guys (Mark and me) reporting about a functional one, so it can't be a general flaw but at least a system dependent or user related item.
I suggest to write a ticket then.

As you are reporting about the trim problem too together with describing a FSUIPC tweaked setup, I suggest going fully FSX standard first (shouldn't be hard on the trim function) and, if this fails, speaking of a probably Captain Sim 707 error thereafter.
We can't blame any dev for things that arise when using additional software and tweaked settings like your mentioned repeat rate.


Mark, thanks for the input on that KB article. I'll check that.
I just found this article stating
Engine Start Pressure Indicator ~ 3000
and if we look at our current bug list with the wrongly named gauge, we see: they are talking about some hydraulic pressure there while intentionally referring to air pressure.

The instrument reads 3000 PSI and I'd like to see some engine starting with that amount of air pressure.
This will probably be the last time you see that engine again.  
In short, the KB has to be changed too if we fill this item in as ticket, because I don't think that it indicates any start air pressure and TheFinn is right with naming it "hydraulic".

As for the L. H. Bottle thing, I thank you for your support there.
I still see it as a CoolP special and wouldn't even think about reporting it as bug as some guys tell me that it works for them.
Edited: Solved! If you use "high pressure" starts on engine 3 (like I did), the L. H. Bottle is empty after one attempt, so the warning is perfectly normal.
Use the default "low pressure" start variant together with external power and air and everything will be fine and like the manuals say.

I state this sentence just because I've just told the other guys about the need to differentiate between general flaws and system/user related items.


I think it's time to close this list and the 727 one too, so 757 and 767 can receive support from us.

Glad to read about some working stuff now.

As I said, we can't blame CS for not working with some special setups and, as you see, only few people report this trim thing while all others are operating withing limits.

Nobody said that you have to drop FSUIPC completely to fly the nice 707, I just suggested to leave your hardware where it is and try one flight with standard FSX trim controls.
If she works in this setup, you'll have to check your special hardware and interface stuff for possible flaws.
If she fails on using the standard (which she was designed for), we can talk about some possible Captaim Sim related bug.

So, go for it.  

@ Markoz...I have that LH bottle light lit too, and it never goes off!

@JayG...that's how the trim is for me too, no tweaks, no FSUIPC.  Just standard FSX settings mapped to joystick buttons.  Works normal on all my addons, including CS, another company, Carenado etc etc

Markoz wrote on Oct 26^th, 2010 at 4:09am:


That is exactly what happened, after I uninstalled and used the "Get New Links" option the problems with the Wx Radar I reported went away. 

I haven't done a lot of VOR to VOR flights. I did a few to see how well my 707 would follow the radial, back in v1.1. I would have to try a VOR to VOR to see if it does it or not in that situation with v1.2. The worst thing is, I never noticed it in v1.1 or v1.0.

Mark

CoolP wrote on Oct 27^th, 2010 at 12:08am:
When the 707 was first released, quite a few of us had problems getting it started. The checklist I created was a way that, through trial and error, I came up with that was successful all the time. I don't know if there is anyone who hasn't succeeded when using it. At the time, all I wanted to do was a manual engine start. CTRL+E was not 100% successful for me anyway. I know that mine is not the way it should done, but a way that it can be done. My aim is simply to help everyone get the engines started. In truth, this method may not even be needed by anyone any more now that everything is working so well in v1.2.

With the engine start from KB #6204, I feel some steps are missing. To follow it exactly leads to engine #3 not even spooling up to ignite. If I add a few items in the list I can get it to work every time. So I could change it to suit that. If it it works, it works. That's all that matters.

I take it that the "Senior 707 Flight Engineer Award" is an award you have given me. Or did I miss something. No matter, I'll accept it.

In the image, it looks like there isn't any pressure at all.

Mark

You can start engine 3 without the external power and air? Every time I tried the KB6204 start, nothing happened at all. My guess is that if it's possible to start it without external power and air, as you seem to suggest, then I must be missing something. This would clearly be a case of the problem being me.

I have been using my method since I discovered it. So I got into a bad habit of not doing it the right way. I'm working on changing that.

Mark

Ah! That gauge! Why does that gauge have INCHES OF WATER written on it? I thought that that had to do with the water injection for increases engine power on takeoff. Or something like that.

Mark

Hi CoolIP
That "Water Gauge" you are talking about on the F/E's panel is a guage measuring pressure difference between Air Conditioning System Main Cabin Inlet Duct and the cabin .It should always stay in the green area.
Hope this helps
Regards
Glenn
Please note I corrected my post after perusing my 707 notes and not using my memory

I've started the 767 version of the bug list. Feel free to join and comment and bring plenty of time.  

http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1288179915/0#0

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I'm sorry but where are such graphics problems mentioned in this thread (which has post 1.2 bugs as topic) so far?
Shouldn't this tip go to another, more general, section then?

Lets stay on the points which can be improved by CS (and therefor rule out bugs) and don't fall back to general tips on how to run FSX. Thanks.