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LOU Beta Team Offline 727,707,747,757,767= 40years of Boeings Posts: 1593 Location: Central PA, USA Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Engine start Reply #30 - Mar 13^th, 2011 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	Start ONE engine at a time! Monitor the engine start so as not to exceed start temps. Most Boeing planes I flew could NOT start more than one engine at a time - APU or ground air could not handle the load.

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CoolP Senior Member Offline Posts: 2568 Joined: Jan 17^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Engine start Reply #31 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 5:30am	Print Post
	Running engines are highly overrated. �


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Vlado Full Member Offline Posts: 72 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2011	Re: Engine start Reply #32 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 8:49am	Print Post
	LOU wrote on Mar 13^th, 2011 at 10:34pm: Start ONE engine at a time! Monitor the engine start so as not to exceed start temps. Most Boeing planes I flew could NOT start more than one engine at a time - APU or ground air could not handle the load. Yes I totally agree with Lou... On regular aircrafts and airports this would be not possible to achieve. However, if you are in a military base, they can use special military ground air generators to start 2-3 engines at the same time. This is very rare, but it has been done and tested of course..

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LOU Beta Team Offline 727,707,747,757,767= 40years of Boeings Posts: 1593 Location: Central PA, USA Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Engine start Reply #33 - Mar 14^th, 2011 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	You may have seen, in the 50's US President Eisenhower's plane the Columbine III a C121 Constellation start all four engines at once. It sure looked cool, but I would not like to be the Flight Engineer on that start! Lou

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glez18 Full Member Offline Posts: 34 Joined: Apr 9^th, 2007	Re: Engine start Reply #34 - Mar 15^th, 2011 at 1:35am	Print Post
	Ok, tks a lot, all


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Vlado Full Member Offline Posts: 72 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2011	Re: Engine start Reply #35 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 6:30am	Print Post
	LOU wrote on Mar 14^th, 2011 at 5:42pm: You may have seen, in the 50's US President Eisenhower's plane the Columbine III a C121 Constellation start all four engines at once. It sure looked cool, but I would not like to be the Flight Engineer on that start! � Lou HAHAHAHAHA Very ture!! very true my friend hahahahaha....

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Viethson Full Member Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Jan 7^th, 2011	Re: Engine start Reply #36 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 9:19am	Print Post
	I don�t know for the 707, but they DO start two engines at a time in the 747 and A340. No Problem as the engine start is fully automatic and the APU is strong enough to power both.


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LOU Beta Team Offline 727,707,747,757,767= 40years of Boeings Posts: 1593 Location: Central PA, USA Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: Engine start Reply #37 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 3:29pm	Print Post
	Viethson, I don't know where you got that info, but the airlines do NOT start more than one engine at a time. The risk of a hot start would be high because the air flow to the air driven starter would be quite low. It's hard enough to keep an eye on one engine during start.

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Vlado Full Member Offline Posts: 72 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2011	Re: Engine start Reply #38 - Mar 17^th, 2011 at 5:40pm	Print Post
	Viethson wrote on Mar 17^th, 2011 at 9:19am: I don�t know for the 707, but they DO start two engines at a time in the 747 and A340. No Problem as the engine start is fully automatic and the APU is strong enough to power both. Who have told you this? No offence really but its disinformation... Commercial airliners would never do something like that... Like Lou said, its to risky indeed..

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Viethson Full Member Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Jan 7^th, 2011	Re: Engine start Reply #39 - Mar 22^nd, 2011 at 12:46pm	Print Post
	I�m sorry, maybe my post was a little misleading. What I was trying to say was that with some 4 engine aircraft it is possible to start two engines at a time. If it is actually done depends on limitations and procedures of the operator. I have talked to many B747 and A340 pilots and they have told me that it is possible and that they have done it, well maybe not every day as a normal procedure. Of course it also depends on the condition of the APU and maybe on a very hot day it might not be possible... Engine start is fully automatic thanks to FADEC, so abnormal start handling is not such a matter as it used to be some years ago. FADEC would not allow fuel flow in case of insufficient air pressure and N2 rotation, so no hot start. I haven�t �seen it with my own eyes, I can only tell what they have told me. All I can say firsthand is that in the A320 it is not possible � Also see this post http://www.airliners.net/aviation-forums/tech_ops/read.main/153196 Cheers


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Awacs New Member Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Jul 6^th, 2011	Can't Start Engines Reply #40 - Jul 6^th, 2011 at 11:28pm	Print Post
	Hi all, I'm not really sure what's going on, but I am unable to start engines on the 707. �I even followed the instructions in another post from this forum, (albert I think?). �Nothing will work, CTRL+E only starts engines 3 and 4? If I press it again, it will start 2, but nothing will start 1. �Please help. Thanks! - Jeff


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12372 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Can't Start Engines Reply #41 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 4:25am	Print Post
	Try my engine start guide here: http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1286115031/1#1. That should get you going. Mark

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Awacs New Member Offline Posts: 2 Joined: Jul 6^th, 2011	Re: Can't Start Engines Reply #42 - Jul 7^th, 2011 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the link, I've tried your guide the other day and still no joy on the engine start, I've turned both the air and external power on. Do I have to be parked at the gate? That's the only thing I could think of.


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giorgio nicola Full Member Offline Posts: 22 Joined: Apr 7^th, 2011	Re: Engine Start Problems Reply #43 - Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 6:53pm	Print Post
	how can I set my fsx to have the cs707 cold and dark by default?


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12372 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Engine Start Problems Reply #44 - Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 7:32pm	Print Post
	giorgio nicola wrote on Jul 23^rd, 2011 at 6:53pm: how can I set my fsx to have the cs707 cold and dark by default? Start FSX, in Free Flight select Load, find 707-300 Cold-n-Dark (KSEA). Once you have found it, checkmark (place a tick in) the box beside Make this the default flight. Every time you go to start a new flight, it will be the Cold-n-Dark 707. In all honesty, I don't recommend doing that because if you have other developers advanced add-on aircraft, it could cause them to crash by using the 707 as the default flight. When I switch between one developers add-on aircraft to another developers product, I switch to one of the simple default FS aircraft, like the trick, to avoid FSX crashing. It works most of the time, but I can still get a fatal error every now and then. Mark

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