Mark,

By avionics you mean turning the ground power to on? setting the rotating knobs to ESS ,
Ext power
Ext power?

still not working mark,
i will submit a ticket, but it would be nice if Captain sim would actually help out for a change.

Erm, i am now lost, i do not know what to do at all,
the VC ins lights up when i turn it to stanby, but not the 2d panels

aceridgey wrote on Nov 13^th, 2010 at 5:47pm:

Maybe i am wrong and maybe is nothing related but I have a strange sitution, all the INS CDU are always blank after turn knob to STBY even with APU power.
Everything light up by opening the CS AP 2d panel and all INS CDU works correctly.

Quote:

I don't have to open the SimIcon Panel to get mine to work. Here is what I do once the 707 using the CIVA INS is loaded into FSX:

1) Battery.....ON
2) External Power ON (Animations Panel opened using Shift+2)
3) External Air ON.External Power.....ON (Animations Panel opened using Shift+2)
4) DC Meters Selector.....TR ESS
5) Essential Power Source Selector.....EXT PWR
6) AC Paralleling Selector.....EXTERNAL POWER
7) Engine Bleed Air Switches.....ON
8) Wing Valves.....OPEN
9) Left & Right Air-Conditioning Unit Pack Switches.....ON
10) Open INS Unit (Shift+7) and Turn MODE SELECTOR Knob to STBY

The lights come up straight away. My CIVA INS unit is ready for me to enter the coordinates and then turn the MODE SELECTOR Knob to ALIGN. I only ever press Shift+1 to bring up the SimIcons panel once in a blue moon. I can't remember the last time I did this. As you can see, pressing SHIFT+1 is not a part of my powering up the plane.

So you understand how I have my INS setup in the civa_panel that I modified to suit me. Here it is:

;CIVA
[Window06]
size_mm=250,368
background_color=16,16,16
window_pos=0.000, 0.070
position=0
visible=0
ident=11041
no_luminous=1
gauge00=../civa/INS!Config, 0, 0,   0,   0, csx701
gauge01=../civa/INS!Cdu1,   0, 0, 250, 196
gauge02=../civa/INS!Msu1, 0, 196, 250, 71
gauge03=../civa/INS!Adeu1, 0, 267, 250, 101

Oh. And here is my [Window00] from that same panel.cfg file:

[Window00]
file=bg.bmp
background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,768
window_size_ratio=1.00  
position=7
visible=1
ident=MAIN_PANEL
render_3d_window=0
window_size= 1.000, 1.000
window_pos= 0.000, 0.000
gauge00=..\panel\Captain_Sim.x707.sys!main, 0,0, 2,2
gauge01=..\panel\Captain_Sim.x707.sound!main, 0,0,1,1,Captain_Sim\707\sound.ini
gauge02=..\panel\Captain_Sim.x707.tools!icons, 0,532,24,120
;CIVA
gauge03=../civa/INS!Config,         0,    0,  0, 0, csx701
gauge04=../civa/INS!NavModeSingle,  0,  652,  1, 1
gauge05=../civa/INS!CduPanelIcon,   0,  652, 24, 24, 11041

Mark

CoolP wrote on Nov 14^th, 2010 at 10:59pm:

Well I'll be a monkeys uncle!

How I came to put that in Window06, I don't honestly know. My modified Window06 was just supposed to be the gauges from windows 06, 07 and 08 combined so that when I open the INS I have everything there that I want to access, without having to open window 07 or 08. OK. For some unknown reason I copied that line from Window00, seeing all those lines were below ;Civa, and knowing that Window00 was the SimIcons gauge, I shouldn't have copied anything from there.

Now. If I comment out //gauge00=../civa/INS!Config, 0, 0,   0,   0, csx701 then you are right. I have to open Window00 (Shift+1) to get the INS to come alive. My next test was to remove that line from Window00 and leave it in window06. It works that way.

THEN. To further the experiment. I removed the line from both Window00 and Window06 and placed it in the VCockpit01. It works there, although I haven't done a flight with it being in the VCockpit01, the fact that it comes alive leads me believe it will work fine.

So for me. I will keep it in Window06 and not have it in Window00 (because it isn't recommended). I have done quite a few flights using INS with the setting that way (not that it was intentional) and it worked perfectly. Although I will do a few test flights with it in the VCockpit00 and see if all goes well.

And finally. That, I believe, will explain why Alex couldn't get the INS to come alive.

Thanks CoolP. You have been a great help in getting to the bottom of this. I'm sure Alex will appreciate it even more!

Mark

Hi CoolP.

Why not put it with the MSU gauge? That is the gauge that you first need to open. You use it to put the INS into STBY mode, which is when the INS needs to "come alive" for the first time. Or maybe even in the INS CDU unit which is nice to have open at the time you put it into STBY. They just seem to be the obvious places to put it. Although, for me, putting it in the VCockpit00 is the best place. Definitely THE best place for those of us who start in the VC and not the 2D Cockpit. If it works fine in my tests, that's where I may leave it.

Mark

Quote:

Exactly, that's the current way to go. Shift-1 opens the simicons panel (the small quick access buttons). Do this once and the Civa gets initialized and will start up fine.

Mark, I'll put the changes in in the next days, so that everybody gets initialized gauges right from the start.
Seems like a good finding to me, thanks for the help there guys.


I've just edited the 707 and 727 tutorial. The config entry now is in the Vcockpit section so no special user made initialization is needed anymore.
Both planes are VC only, so the initialization will start when entering the cockpit.

If one wants to go for this new version I suggest starting from the scratch (with the backup panel.cfg) to avoid any possible error sources.
See page 1 in this thread for the details.