Hi.

HELP! I'm really having a hard time getting the 707's engines started. Sometimes CTRL+E does it, other times it won't. I have looked for, but can't find the APU, although it is listed on the checklist images in the Engineers Station. I'm missing something that either needs to be turned off or on to get them lit. In the mean time I might see if there is some clues to this in the 707 - General Discussion forum!

Hopefully the manual Part III - Normal Procedures isn't too far away. I sure could use it right now.

Just a side note: The bonus features listed for Version 1.1 (Release September 2010) sound fantastic. I can hardly wait.

P.S. I love the Sunshade feature on the OH windows. I found them by accident when my mouse pointer passed over them!

Mark

trisager wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 9:16am:
Thanks for that.
Unfortunately I have tried everything (almost^*) I can think of so far, which includes via the External Air being ON. I'm just not being very successful. I only get it started about once in every four tries and and so far every time I have it's been by using CTRL+E.
^*Except the one that works!

I did go to the 707 - General Discussion forum and found QID 203, but only managed to start engine #3. Engines #4, #1 and #2 refused to start. In the QID 203 it says to turn on the APU IF available. I really believe that there is some switch that is either ON when it needs to be OFF or vice-verse (it could be more than one). I'll keep on trying, but if worse comes to worse I can always start the flight with the engines already running.

Mark

Hi Jo1984

I have tried starting the engines with that switch set to LOW PRESS, OFF and HIGH PRESS, without success. I'm suspicious that it has something to do with switches that provide air from the External Air to the engines. A switch or some switches must be in the wrong position, I just can't quite figure out witch one(s).

Mark

Yeah everything was as you say, but it was still a "no go" for engine start. I'll try using that engine start sequence from the Legendary 707 forum and see how it goes. I'll report back on the results.

Mark

Thanks Wayne. I'll give it a try next flight.

Here is what I found. High Pressure for the two left engines (#1 & #2) and Low Pressure for the two right engines (#3 & #4), and that got all four going. I have found that CTRL+E works every time if I touch nothing (not even the Master Battery Switch) when I first start my flight. This is not ideal, but at least it works. If I find your method works, then CTRL+E will no longer be needed!

Mark

For what it is worth. Here is how I got the engines started from the 707-300 Cold-n-Dark (KSEA) Flight.

Flight Engineers Station
Battery (master switch)...................................................ON
DC Meters Selector.........................................................TR3
Essential Power Source Selector.......................................EXT PWR
AC Paralleling Selector....................................................External Power
Engine Bleed Air Switches................................................ON
Wing Valve Switches.......................................................OPEN
Left & Right Air-Conditioning Unit Pack Switches.................Both OFF

Overhead Panel
Ground Start Selector Switch............................................HIGH PRESS/LOW PRESS⁺
Engine Start Levers.........................................................START
Engine Start Control Switch..............................................GRD<sup>*

*</sup>Repeat for remaining engines.
⁺Sometimes it works on High Press and other times Low Press. Weird!

I guess you can start the engines in whatever order you like but I read in QID 203 (from the Support KB) that the order is #3, #4, #1 then #2. Like Tim says, the engines only start if the Engine Start Levers are in the START position before turning the Engine Start Control Switch to GRD (this goes for ALL the engines). Thank you very much for pointing this one out Tim!

Hope this helps.

Mark

Hi Sanal.

I have to admit that it doesn't start for me every time either. When that happens I just reset the flight and try again. This method works the best for me. Unfortunately, using CTRL+E only has a success rate of around 1 in 4 for me. I must be missing something. If I figure it out I will revise how to start them. In the mean time, we are going to have to wait to see what the Part III - Normal Procedures manual is ready so we can find out.

Mark

Thanks Captain Sim.

I'm definitely looking forward to it. For now the challenge of trying to figure it out is FUN! Sort off. I'm only speaking for myself here.

Mark