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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #30 - Jan 19th, 2010 at 7:16pm
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Hi Joseph,

I did look at what you said about cruise power at 25,000 feet and you are right that the specified power is inadequate.  All my testing and tweaking was at more conventional cruise altitudes of around 30-35,000 feet and then at low altitude low speed conditions.  To improve this issue would involve substantially re-doing one of turbine tables in the airfile and I am not sure I when if ever I will have time to do that.  For a conventional flight with high altitude cruise, the tables work well for Mach .8 or .78 cruise.  I never bothered with Mach .84, so I don't know if that works well.

I have once (last night in fact)had a problem with going from flaps 15 to 30 at too high a speed immediately after catching the glide slope (on autopilot)and ending up in a significantly nose down attitude when the aircraft ballooned up well above the glide slope due the increased lift.  That was my error and the autopilot didn't cope well with the result or with my flailing about the throttle levers.  I guess what I am saying is maybe you did have the mod installed properly but the approach went wrong for some other reason.  But I have done many, many approaches that went perfectly with this flight model.

Really i think the most likely explanation is that you are getting way too much flap lift because of some error in modifying the config file or somehow getting a mismatch in pairing the right config and air files.

I know there are some imperfections with the flight model and some of them I am sure will eventually be sorted, but I have very limited time to so.  Personally, I like the result -- it works for the flights I have done with it so I thought I would share my work for those who want to try it.

  
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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #31 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 5:00pm
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Micheal,
Thanks . I think I managed the installation.
1-What will be the expectation I should looking for?
2- Will your EPR gauges replace 727-100 EPR   gauge?
3- I made a test flight, but I cant see any visual difference in the EPR gauges?

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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #32 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 5:16pm
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Micheal,
One other thing came to my attention at the end of yesterday test flight. 727-100  1.37 Hour flight  fuel  consumption  reached to 26,000 Lbs. I lost number two in short  final, and one and three  during the touchdown.
Is it normal?
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Reply #33 - Jan 20th, 2010 at 7:15pm
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Hi Sanal,

No, that fuel consumption is way off.  A typical high altitude cruise consumption would be about 5000 lbs per hour.  On the cruise performance charts, there is an explanation of how to calculate fuel consumption. You can cross check that with what the fuel flow gauges show (multiply one engine's consumption by three).  I calibrated the consumption to match the performance charts.

So I think something went wrong with your installation.

Do you have the following lines in your modified config file and did you remove the corresponding lines from the original?


fuel_flow_scalar= 1.05

ThrustSpecificFuelConsumption = 0.725

Did you replace the original cs727100.air file? 

As for the EPR gauges, yes you must replace the orginal file, Captain_Sim.p721.C07.CAB, in the panel folder with the replacement file of the same name.  Either take the original out, or better, just give it a different name so you can easily restore it if you need to.
  
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Reply #34 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 1:34am
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Micheal,
1-fuel_flow_scalar=1.05   Inserted

2-ThrustSpecificFuelConsumption = 0.725 Inserted

3- cs727100.air file replaced

4-Captain_Sim.p721.C07.CAB replaced


Here is PR gouges picture. Is it OK? I dont see TAT indicator?

I will make another test flight  and will inform.
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Reply #35 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 1:38am
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Reply #36 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 4:59am
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I gave up on  ERP gauges. Some thing totally went wrong during installation. During test flight 727-100 was unstable. ERP thrust was unlimited 4000ft climb all the way 30000ft. Landing 120KT indicated AS, but it must be over 200Kt in short final. It was hard to control plane on the rwy. Trim the airplane was impossible.

So I am going to uninstall and reinstall 727-100X. May be when I am ready  in future days I will try it again.
Thanks for your help.
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Reply #37 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 1:21pm
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I dont see TAT indicator?


look at this post, http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1263513531 in it you can download a gauge.
  

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Reply #38 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 4:53pm
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I downloaded the edited flight model exactly by the instructions and edited the aircraft.cfg file. What happend was my aircraft able to climb at 5,000FPM, while gaining airspeed at almost a nose level attitude. I have a difficult time harnessing the aircrafts power and keeping in from overspeed. when i did get control, when i captured a glide slope the nose went to a -15-20 nose down attitude with the standard ils decent rate.
  

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Reply #39 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 7:50pm
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David, clearly something went wrong with your installation as I would not share a flight model like that with the community.  The other possibility is that there is an error in my instructions to modify the config file, but I don't think that is the case as I have reviewed it several times and two other posters say the mod performs well.
  
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Reply #40 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 7:56pm
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I believe there was, I mean in flap01, 01,02, etc, do we copy and paste what u provieded over the entire respective flap## or just the area of your edit, I mean like:

[flaps.2]
type= 2
span-outboard= 0.589
extending-time= 10.0
system_type= 1
damaging-speed= 250.0
blowout-speed= 300.0
lift_scalar= 1.000
drag_scalar= 1.000
pitch_scalar= 1.000
flaps-position.0= 0
flaps-position.1= 0
flaps-position.2= 1

this is the aircraft.cfg:

[flaps.2]
type= 2
span-outboard= 0.8
extending-time= 10.0
system_type= 1
damaging-speed= 250.0
blowout-speed= 300.0
lift_scalar= 1.000
drag_scalar= 1.000
pitch_scalar= 1.000
flaps-position.0= 0
flaps-position.1= 1
flaps-position.2= 2
flaps-position.3= 2
flaps-position.4= 2
flaps-position.5= 2
flaps-position.6= 2

Do we copy and paste your edit over that entire selection or just the specific edits u made for flaps2?
  

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Reply #41 - Jan 21st, 2010 at 10:13pm
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The intent is that you should replace all of the flap sections in the original config file in their entirety only with the lines in my readme file.

Sorry about that, looking at your question I can see there is some ambiguity there.  So when you are done the only lines you should have in your config file with respect to the flaps are:

[flaps.0]
type= 1
span-outboard= 0.632
extending-time= 40.0
system_type= 1
damaging-speed= 250.0
blowout-speed= 300.0
lift_scalar= 1.000
drag_scalar= 1.000
pitch_scalar= 1.000
flaps-position.0=  0
flaps-position.1=  2
flaps-position.2=  5
flaps-position.3= 15
flaps-position.4= 25
flaps-position.5= 30
flaps-position.6= 40

[flaps.1]
type= 2
span-outboard= 0.327
extending-time= 10.0
system_type= 1
damaging-speed= 250.0
blowout-speed= 300.0
lift_scalar= 1.000
drag_scalar= 1.000
pitch_scalar= 1.000
flaps-position.0=  0
flaps-position.1=  1

[flaps.2]
type= 2
span-outboard= 0.589
extending-time= 10.0
system_type= 1
damaging-speed= 250.0
blowout-speed= 300.0
lift_scalar= 1.000
drag_scalar= 1.000
pitch_scalar= 1.000
flaps-position.0= 0
flaps-position.1= 0
flaps-position.2= 1


This produces the desired result in terms of the flight model, but unfortunately the flight model will  no longer be synchronized with the flap animation of the physical model -- all leading edge devices will now extend with the first notch of flap application.  I have found a way to correct this and will eventually post an update. I will also clarify the instructions in the download readme before then.
  
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Reply #42 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 12:56am
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OK cool I will try it out later. I am going to assume thats why people were having problems on approach, etc...right when the flaps were being extended. thanks
  

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Reply #43 - Jan 22nd, 2010 at 9:36pm
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Ok thanks for your clarification with the aircraft.cfg edits. I fly the IGS 13A approach at kai tak, I used HDG control to capture localizer, then switched to apprch/GS auto. The aircraft flew the glideslope flawlessly. If anyone is having weird aircraft attitude issues it is probably the way you edited the flaps portion of your aircraft.cfg file.
  

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