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New Flight Model
Jan 7th, 2010 at 5:57am
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I have spent many hours creating a new flight model to get the CS 727-100 to perform according to a real world performance manual.  It will climb, cruise, hold, and burn fuel and descend (at flight idle 55% N1) at very close to the proper values using the correct power settings. My EPR gauge mod must be used as the Captain Sim version 2.3 gives different values.

Does Captain Sim have any objection to my making the modified air file available to download? 

For the config file I would need to post cut and paste instructions, since everyone has a different file with different skins and so on.  It is possible to do the same thing with the air file by converting it to text and then recompiling it, but it would be tedious for people to make the mod that way.
  
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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #1 - Jan 7th, 2010 at 8:59am
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Ohhhhh yes please!!!!!!! I'm very interesting in that model!!!!!  Shocked
  

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Reply #2 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 5:24am
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The mod is available here:

http://www.mediafire.com/?wyt2jtazolm

Captain Sim, if you have a problem with this, I will take the files down.
  
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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #3 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 7:46am
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No problems with this, Michael.
  
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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #4 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 9:08am
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Shocked  OMG  Shocked  I was waiting this for a loooong time!!!!!
I' will test it this night and let you know, Thanks a lot!!!!  Wink
  

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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #5 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 5:01pm
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Hi Michael,

Just wondering if you were willing to do the same for the 200 series?

James Grin
  

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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #6 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 7:24pm
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Hi Michael.

I've tested it a couple of times.

I can say that for cruise it is very accurate.  Wink Tested al FL310 and FL350.

For descent, at N1 55% mantain aprox. 280 Nm at 2000 VS.  Wink

For climb, it is complicated, because it depends on VS.
What is your climb rate?
For me, I try to be at speed:300 with a VS of 2000 - 2500
I couldn't get that with the model. I get speed:290 with VS between 500 and 1000 which is very low.

Fuel: I haven't seen that.

Great work!!!!  Smiley
  

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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #7 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 7:27pm
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Yes, I will probably do the same for the the 200 aircraft, since much of the work should carry over.  But it may take a while as I don't have so much time available now.
  
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Reply #8 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 9:47pm
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Michael, another thing. I'm not able to take-off with 0 trim, before the change I was able. Is that how you configure the model?
  

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Reply #9 - Jan 14th, 2010 at 11:20pm
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I moved both the centre of gravity and of lift.  Unfortunately we have no way to see what %MAC we have after loading the aircraft in order to properly set the trim.  Generally you should be OK in the middle of the green band. Fully loaded, you need more trim than that.

As for climb, I tested this extensively against real world climb charts. Fully loaded, you should climb intitially at a little over 3000' per minute and of course at 250 knots below 10,000 feet, but this will decline with altitude until you are down to about 500' per minute some time after 30,000 -- I don't recall the exact figures off the top of my head.  This flight model is very close to what it should be -- maybe the climb is a little low, but it's very close.  

You have to check the climb power against TAT as you climb, although once your speed is stable, EPR should rise pretty much on its own as you climb to the required amount (under standard atmospheric conditions). After 10,000 feet you should be climbing at around 280-300 IAS, using the higher value if you are heavy.  The charts I had stated 280 knots and then transitioning to mach 0.7, although other charts and guides I have seen have suggest higher figures.  I found in testing that 290 to 300 and then Mach 0.72 the best climb when fully loaded.  If you let your speed get too low, you will have to significantly reduce your climb to accelerate.  

I used the autopilot for testing as it allows very fine control of pitch.  In my experience the main trim control is too coarse to be able to climb at the optimal rate.

Finally, I believe the charts I used give climb power settings a couple of points higher than in the charts I referenced in the download -- i.e. 1.85 instead of 1.83 for example.
  
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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #10 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 12:32am
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Ok, thanks!!. I will use another set of charts (original 727).

I've noticied that the temp gauge I used for my testing was showing incorrect values.
I created a new gauge and tomorrow will tested the model again.

Thanks for your work  Smiley
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 2:06am
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Be sure your gauge is showing TAT and not OAT as the two are quite different things.
  
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Reply #12 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 9:07am
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Embarrassed  ups, I just thought tat and oac where the same thing. I'll have to read a bit more.  Wink
  

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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #13 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 5:18pm
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Ok, I can confirm that Michael's model work very well. It follows the real 727 performance charts I have.
Finally I can fly this bird the way it should be  Wink

  

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Re: New Flight Model
Reply #14 - Jan 15th, 2010 at 7:16pm
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Glad you like it.
  
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