davidcahill wrote on Sep 3^rd, 2012 at 7:18pm:

Hi, David and welcome to the forums.  

I don't know if I got your question correctly, but for the FSX 737 (which is a 737-800) there are some freeware upgrades which add some features. For the 737-200 we are using in this thread, you have to look into the Captain Sim shop. http://www.captainsim.com/products/x737/ You will need the base pack to receive a full plane. The other parts then add some variants.

I didn't know you were on FS2004, Windy. This video shows the FS2004 case.
So is this your tricky part, from 09:30 on? http://youtu.be/4jnPtYmXPSM?t=9m30s The last S-turn?

I wouldn't care much for the 'close to the houses' feel. The rw folks seem to come in pretty close. Look here.


The last part (losing altitude just after passing the last hill and lining up) looks a bit like bush flying for me. The (sim) video guy also gets the sink rate warning, which may show that he aims for rather high vertical speeds just before starting the flare.

I'd leave the AT off (if the plane had one), it doesn't work fast enough for what I'm planning. Sharp turns, nose up and down, that's a heavy sim task. On a stabilized approach or with rw systems, this would look different I guess. So far, I always had a bit of extra speed due to the last descent and could bleed it off when passing over the rw threshold and flaring the plane. While doing this, I look exactly like my avatar.  


Expect me to adjust the throttle on the 737-200 a lot before even getting close to the runway. The spool up behavior is a bit difficult on that one (very slow, where I think it should be way faster on high thrust settings) so I always feel like lagging behind quite a bit, which takes time to get used to.

I add throttle before the turns and things, to account for the extra drag, but the point is that doing this too soon will raise the speeds for the turn itself, which is a thing I don't want. Same for the too late case, where you are running out of airspeed while already flying close to the limit.

With the airspeed indicator being the only way to determine the acceleration in the sim, the mentioned spool up behavior of the engines doesn't make it easier to correct for errors. Same for the rather low-ish refresh rates of the gauges in the 737-200. So, in short, I guess that approach is tricky, no matter what.   The one who tries it already is a sim hero.  


Regardless of that one, if you have some tips on Russian locations, hopefully with some freeware for the sim, just shoot. I would love to fly there some more, although default FSX doesn't look that good and I only have some generic addon landclass in place.

Lou,

Which airport is it ?

I am heavily involve with Prepar3D transition from FSX .
IT looks like a major and complicated project. 
Ahmet

747 into Paro

Well, on the approach to RW 15 I tried several different methods.

I did a straight in over the hill to RW 15. Got the plane all set-up for landing way out.
I flew at Bug to Bug +5 to keep the energy as low as possible.
I cleared the hill like the beach at St. Martin. As soon as I got past the hill I pushed the nose over
to about 1,500 FPM to get into the slot.

GPWS is not happy with that as you can imagine.  

In order not to gain too much speed I made a small reduction in thrust.
Since these large planes have a lot of inertia it is dangerous to have a high sink rate close to the ground
even with some extra speed, since you still have to reduce the sink to near 500 FPM as you cross the threshold and start the flare.
Although I was able to land, it was a pretty wild maneuver since you will have to bring the nose up smartly
while adding a bit of power so you have enough energy to make the flare.

Next I tried the around the hill method.

If I flew completely left of the hill the turns were pretty steep so I modified the track a bit
so I ended about half way up the hill with a offset heading then I only needed a sharp
left turn to final instead of the S turn. This allows an almost normal rate of descent
and better speed control. As I past the Temple on the hill I was just about level with it.

My wake as I flew by got all the prayer wheels spinning, maybe the reason for my success?  



The Boeing report is very good reading. I would not like to loose an engine on a warm day - PERIOD
Add to that a bit of weather and it would be 85 P.S.I on the sphincter - at least!

A-320 or B-737 is a nice plane for this place. CS C-130 is also fun!  

Lou

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Looks like Druk Air received some competition.  

On the planes being suitable for the airport, I just saw an ATR pilot writing about some 300fpm climb rate with one engine gone (at lower altitude airports I guess). Certainly not something I wanted to end up with at Paro. And that's with the planes like the ATR being a regular at such airports.

Pilots live dangerous lives.  



With Lou now making the 747 work at Paro, the next question is if the airport could serve as a Space Shuttle landing site. 

Well, here is a place I actually flew into in the 757.

Notice the EMAS at each end of the runway. We called it pudding, but it's a life saver when you need it! (engineered materials arrestor system)



Telluride, CO. Highest commercial airport in the U.S.





Daytime landing in good weather was no problem landing east.

If the weather was furry you can see where a go-around was an interesting maneuver indeed.
A tight right climbing turn to avoid steep terrain in all quadrants.

Imagine loosing an engine in the process - yikes!  

Several times when the weather was good we would make a visual approach from the east to land on RW 27.
This was not available if the weather was bad. As you can see the hills are pretty steep and all around.





Lou

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KTEX was a good tip! A nice approach through some of the early haze.

Setting up the flight at KDEN, surrounded by the sissy new planes. 


Enroute to KTEX Telluride.


The approach. Thanks to exploring the area before, I could make out the airport sooner. The one picture shows an enlarged 'here it is' spot.  





The landing worked, although the touchdown wasn't charming I guess.


But the plane is intact, so I can board some new folks.


I did not try to go-around. I think the old gal was happy that way.   But it's real fun flying the old ship in and out of such locations. I had some 737 flights with the fancy NG variant before and I always enjoy coming back to the old steam gauges.