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Poll Question: How does your APU generator work? (Ground, engines OFF)

No problems    
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No power in 5-10 minutes    
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« Created by: Captain Sim on: Apr 30th, 2012 at 6:02pm »

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #30 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:24pm
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I also have this problem as just as previously explained.

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #31 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:29pm
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I have a situation where APU was on all instrument was working, I push back and try to start up engine unable to do so.
I have done many time  with packs off, APU Bleed on,engine bleed on, GRD on no way to see action.
Just to test I swich off the APU all went dark and at that point no way to recover from this situation even Ground power was unavailable complete in dark.
  
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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #32 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:36pm
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Captain Sim wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:54pm:
AlexArt wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:53pm:
No, once. Here seems to be a consequence of the same problem.
http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1335135522
For example - Reply #2, #10


We are talking about the 1.0 only. No the 0.X flashbacks please.

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It seems that the power of the individual systems (example a starter) always comes from the battery and not diverted to other sources, except for the generators of engine.


So your point is the GPU and APU gens do not provide any power?
Well it's possible, but we need at least 10 confirmation of that to start digging any further.
Anyone elese?


I have seen this issue discussed for many weeks. People losing elec power after 5 minutes with APU running. Some things still will work - lights, many gauges - but radios go silent and HSI loses power. APU still running, voltage/amps look normal, but no radios, HSI.



  

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #33 - Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:53pm
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Again, most likely the real reason of the power is fsx menu use = paused flight sometimes causes the sys.gau glitch.
Anyone to confirm this?

The question is: Does anyone experience the power issues WITHOUT using fsx menu or pausing a flight?
  
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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #34 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 1:12am
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Captain Sim wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 6:54pm:
AlexArt wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 4:53pm:
No, once. Here seems to be a consequence of the same problem.
http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1335135522
For example - Reply #2, #10


We are talking about the 1.0 only. No the 0.X flashbacks please.


There is discussed the 1.0 In fact

Сhecked WITHOUT using fsx menu or pausing a flight. All the same.

I tried it. Powered by the EP, after 5 minutes, as expected, power was lost. Engine will not start (air from the ground), dome light is not lit. But the panel are lit. Started APU, APU generator to connect - all died out. Absolutely.
  

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #35 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 4:46am
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Captain Sim wrote on Apr 25th, 2012 at 11:53pm:
Back on topic:
Again, most likely the real reason of the power is fsx menu use = paused flight sometimes causes the sys.gau glitch.
Anyone to confirm this?

The question is: Does anyone experience the power issues WITHOUT using fsx menu or pausing a flight?


I have the power issue without using the fsx menu.

Loaded the CS 737-200 cold/dark seatle flight.
Battery on
#1 aft boost pump on
start APU
APU bleed open
Isolation valve auto
AC/DC selectors to Standby and APU Gen
position lights on
galley power on
packs 1 on

wait 11 minutes:

radios dead
instrument (altimeter?) sound stops
amps/volts look okay
pneumatics normal with APU running

Then I shut down APU, and battery.
Now, Battery on = no battery power. I am able to flip all switches, but there is no electrical power.
  

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #36 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 8:35am
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The following image is of my OH Panel after using the APU, continuously, for 47 minutes.


I started the APU at 17:39 and this image is at 18:26.

I also tried with the EP/BA, and everything was working fine 30 minutes later.

I'm trying very hard, but I still can't make it do it again. Undecided

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #37 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 10:49am
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Mark, I wonder if the results would be the same if you set the power selector from ground power to APU, and from Batt to STBY.

Also, I thought mine was fixed but then I remembered that I had added
electric_always_available=1

So when I removed it the problem arose again.

I think one reason more people haven't posted this problem is most people probably start the APU and start engines and fly. But some of us spend quite a bit more time on the ground on APU power, enough time for the electrical problem to appear.
  

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #38 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 12:54pm
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I think one reason more people haven't posted this problem is most people probably start the APU and start engines and fly. But some of us spend quite a bit more time on the ground on APU power, enough time for the electrical problem to appear.
True.
OR. They could do what I do. I use the Ground (External) Power, until just before pushback, then I start the APU, then pushback and start the engines during the pushback.

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Mark, I wonder if the results would be the same if you set the power selector from ground power to APU, and from Batt to STBY.
Why would I do that? I am not using Standby Power. I'm using the APU to provide power.

Have you tried the settings, the way mine are, to see if that gives you more than 11 minutes of power?

Besides, even if that is the case, it does not explain why my power failed that one time when I was using the battery for power only. If I use battery power ONLY now, I still get power for more than two hours. Huh
  

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #39 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 12:36am
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Why would I do that? I am not using Standby Power. I'm using the APU to provide power.


My mistake. DC selector to BATT (you're on Batt bus), and AC slector to APU.
Look at your AC meter gauges, they're flat. Because it's set to ground power not APU.
  

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #40 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 1:58am
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bud7h7 wrote on Apr 27th, 2012 at 12:36am:
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Why would I do that? I am not using Standby Power. I'm using the APU to provide power.


My mistake. DC selector to BATT (you're on Batt bus), and AC slector to APU.
Look at your AC meter gauges, they're flat. Because it's set to ground power not APU.

I think we need to set everything in the 737 the same. Same model, livery and the same settings (lights, switches and knobs).

That way we are dealing with the same set of rules for e problem.

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #41 - Apr 27th, 2012 at 3:13am
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I just uninstalled/reinstalled the 737 again.
Deleated my default flight (cold/dark C172).
Loaded a new flight with the 172, shut down engines and Batt only.
Loaded the 737.
Applied EP, then started APU same procedure as I listed before.
Tried all AC/DC meter select options.
Dead battery after 5-6 minutes, no radios, no engine start possible.
Shut down APU and verified battery dead.

For now I'll just use the electrical always available entry and forget it. I'm ready to fly, lol. Maybe in time if more people see the problem they will address it.
  

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Battery dies with APU running
Reply #42 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 2:05pm
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Even with electric_always_available = 1 in the .cfg, I'm losing power to radios after about 6 minutes, with APU running. Also when this happens the radio frequencies won't dial, and engines won't start. Amps/volts still look okay, and everything appears to be on but if I shut off the APU generators I can see the Battery is dead.

My APU start precedure:

battery on
hydr B pumps off
DC selector to Batt
Iso valve to auto
#1 fuel pump on
APU start, stabilized
APU gen switches on ***see note below***
apu bleed open
AC selector to APU
position lights on
#1 pack on after 1 minute

I notice when I switch ONE apu generator switch to ON, both "bus off" lights extinguish, instead of only the one relative to each generator switch. Not sure how important that is or not.

  

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Re: Battery dies with APU running
Reply #43 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 5:29pm
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bud7h7 wrote on Apr 28th, 2012 at 2:05pm:
I notice when I switch ONE apu generator switch to ON, both "bus off" lights extinguish, instead of only the one relative to each generator switch. Not sure how important that is or not.
Mine does that too. Whether they work like that in real life or not, I don't think that is the cause, because mine have always done that in v1.0.

I followed your procedure, but after 15 - 20 minutes, mine was still working fine. The battery power was fine

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Re: 737 locks up
Reply #44 - Apr 28th, 2012 at 7:25pm
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Thanks for doing that Mark. I also thought maybe my saved default flight was causing problems with this aircraft.

I have tried saving with the C172 running, as well as cold/dark in the following config:

C172
completely shut down
avionics on
magnetos - I tried "off" and "both"
alternator - tried off and on
brake set

And I tried deleting my default flight to see if that would help.

But I'm also having the 737 issues even if I load the CS cold/dark saved flight. Fortunately the infinite battery option in FSUIPC is an effective workaround even thought the "always_on" entry in the .cfg didn't help me.
  

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