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balus Full Member Offline Posts: 53 Location: Townsville, Australia Joined: Mar 30^th, 2007	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #15 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 5:48am	Print Post
	Kapitan wrote on Jan 20^th, 2011 at 12:13am: Well, there you have the answer then: You should never touch the trim with autopilot engaged...its fighting one against the other. If autopilot is engaged, IT controls-adjusts trim. I can imagine strange thing would happen if you touch the trim with AP engaged, (Ive never even tried it), nor thought someone would, so the bouncing could well be because of that. Another example: Its like switching autopilot altitude hold, and then try and climb or descend..."why would you do that ???" its common sense, (no need for a pilot licence on this one) either its autopilot or manual, if its autopilot..DONT TOUCH stabilizers. Ok, I am now confused. My understanding of the 707 is that it will not do the equivalent of an ALT SEL and that you need to adjust pitch to climb to the appropriate altitude. Now if I am flying a flightplan entered either via the INS or through the FS flightplan load then I need to have the AP on. Have I misunderstood something? BTW I just tried another flight with the same result - this aircraft unfortunately is becoming unflyable for me - back to the A300, which doesn't exhibit this sort of behaviour.


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12372 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #16 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 8:42am	Print Post
	Hi balus. Are you using the Pitch Trim Wheels (enclosed green squares in the image) on the Autopilot (2D and/or 3D VC gauge) to adjust the climb/descent attitude? That's what they are there for. I use them all the time for controlling the 707 during the climb and descent phase. Mark

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balus Full Member Offline Posts: 53 Location: Townsville, Australia Joined: Mar 30^th, 2007	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #17 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 10:43am	Print Post
	yes Mark that is what I am using - sometimes they are animated, sometimes they are not. BTW my A300 flight was a complete success


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TurbofanDude Full Member Offline Programmer, B-52H and 737NG Lover Posts: 143 Location: United States Joined: Dec 11^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #18 - Jan 26^th, 2011 at 9:50pm	Print Post
	perhaps my dumbest post of the day, but have you tried disconnecting the ap elevator control? It's to the left of the autopilot control window. I assume you have, but that's my best guess as I can't reproduce the issue. Collin Biedenkapp, President, TFDi Design, Captain Sim Beta Tester http://www.tfdidesign.com 1-872-216-8334 (our company number)

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Capt. Driscol New Member Offline Posts: 3 Location: Benson Mn. Joined: Jan 28^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #19 - Jan 28^th, 2011 at 6:30pm	Print Post
	balus wrote on Jan 7^th, 2011 at 11:32am: So there I was on climb out of Singapore and the 70 starting bouncing, the yoke in the VC was oscillating backwards and forwards - spot view showed the elevator up and down in full deflection. Now I know I was flying a Qantas livery but I didn't order a kangaroo! I pulled back on my yoke but there was no change - removed mappings in FSUIPC but still no change - ended up having to abort the flight, which is always disappointing. Any ideas as to what caused it?


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Vlado Full Member Offline Posts: 72 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2011	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #20 - Jan 29^th, 2011 at 12:07pm	Print Post
	For those who experience problems! You should never play around with the flight controls, when the autopilot is engaged. If you do that you will disturb the system and it can result in errors. I have experience in the real world 707, and I fly the Captain Sim 707 just like I did with the real thing. And I have no problems what so ever! It is working perfectly fine... Maybe its something you guys are doing wrong, I don't know. But I don't have any problems at all. It works absolutely perfect for me.

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MustanGrande Full Member Offline Posts: 25 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2011	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #21 - Feb 26^th, 2011 at 10:50am	Print Post
	I had this happen on my last flight in the 707. I was climbing through FL280 for FL300, and was adjusting the A/P pitch controls downwards, in preparation for the top of my climb. The plane suddenly started porpoising through the air, with the elevators deflecting full up and down, rapidly. I immediately disconnected the elevators from the A/P, and stabilized the aircraft manually. When I attempted to reconnect the A/P for altitude hold, the plane suddenly and violently pitched upwards, (we're talking 6000fpm of upward pitch) and stalled.


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boeing727223 Full Member Offline Posts: 44 Joined: Mar 4^th, 2011	My 707 is a dancin fool! Reply #22 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 7:22pm	Print Post
	I know I saw a thread somewhere that addressed this problem, but my 707 seems to do alot of bouncing when you switch views, any ideas or point me to that thread I can't find? Couple of notes, FSX has always been a performance killer and I have been out of the loop for about 3 years...my new I7 2600K with my GTX 580 seems to do the trick (and I have not overclocked it yet). I bought the 727 and 707 and the expansion packs for FSX (had the 2004 version years ago) and I cannot get over how great they both look and fly...even if I am only using the keyboard at this point! The install and verification system Captain Sim is using is heads and shoulders above what it was years ago as well. I can't wait to eventually see these babies in 3d and down the road have full immersion 180 wrap around goggles or the Jdome... I can put the 727 down in a parking lot, but the 707...two words to describe her....NEED ROOM


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LOU Beta Team Offline 727,707,747,757,767= 40years of Boeings Posts: 1593 Location: Central PA, USA Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: My 707 is a dancin fool! Reply #23 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	boeing727223, Get a joystick! Then you will really see how nice both these planes fly. Your I7 and GTX make a good system to run FSX. The 707 will take a few more feet than the 727 in rollout, but you ain't seen nothing 'til you try to stop the Whale (747). I'll let Mark or CoolP advise you on you jumping jacks. Lou

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boeing727223 Full Member Offline Posts: 44 Joined: Mar 4^th, 2011	Re: My 707 is a dancin fool! Reply #24 - Apr 20^th, 2011 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	Thanks Lou! I have a Jetliner yoke, pedals, and quadrant with the 2, 3, and 4 engines..but I bought them 10 years ago so I need to get a seriel PCI card since PFC said they can't be converted to USB. Yup, the 727 is solid, but if ever not getting behind the power curve applied to any aircraft...the 707 is Queen (behind the 747). I ended up dumping a 321B into San Francisco bay last night.....keyboard has got to go!! I'm not gonna complain because a buddy of mine flew the DC-8 sim at UPS in Kentucky and the 707 is a Cadillac (keep it in trim), but the DC-8 is a Mack truck with no powersteering! You have to be miles and sunshine ahead of that bird!!


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audiohavoc Full Member Offline Posts: 160 Joined: Sep 13^th, 2009	Re: My 707 is a dancin fool! Reply #25 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 7:31am	Print Post
	boeing727223 wrote on Apr 20^th, 2011 at 7:52pm: Thanks Lou! �I have a Jetliner yoke, pedals, and quadrant with the 2, 3, and 4 engines..but I bought them 10 years ago so I need to get a seriel PCI card since PFC said they can't be converted to USB. � Yup, the 727 is solid, but if ever not getting behind the power curve applied to any aircraft...the 707 is Queen (behind the 747). �I ended up dumping a 321B into San Francisco bay last night.....keyboard has got to go!! � I'm not gonna complain because a buddy of mine flew the DC-8 sim at UPS in Kentucky and the 707 is a Cadillac (keep it in trim), but the DC-8 is a Mack truck with no powersteering! �You have to be miles and sunshine ahead of that bird!! It it doesn't work out with your hardware, I recommend the Saitek Pro Flight yoke, throttle quadrants, and their rudder pedals. You comments on the 707 and DC-8 handling remind of a conversation with my father-in-law. In his experience, he says the 757 flies like a truck, while the 767 is like a Cadillac, and is much lighter on the controls.

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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12372 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: My 707 is a dancin fool! Reply #26 - Apr 21^st, 2011 at 1:53pm	Print Post
	boeing727223 wrote on Apr 20^th, 2011 at 7:22pm: I know I saw a thread somewhere that addressed this problem, but my 707 seems to do alot of bouncing when you switch views, any ideas or point me to that thread I can't find? Hi. I think this is the thread (Topic) here: http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1294399965. I'm sure I saw that the fix for this problem was something to do with changing the contact points in the aircraft.cfg. I can't remember if it was for the 707 or for another Captain Sim aircraft. Mark

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boeing727223 Full Member Offline Posts: 44 Joined: Mar 4^th, 2011	Re: My 707 is a dancin fool! Reply #27 - Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 5:15pm	Print Post
	Yeah audiohavoc, I will go that way if I can't get my old rig up and running... Thanks Markoz, I notice that the problem seems to be when I change views and sometimes airport vehicles do the same....727 seems to be no problem....I hope I didn't just jinx myself!


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701151 Senior Member Offline Delta 737-200 Posts: 1009 Location: UNITED STATES Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011 Gender:	My 707's are bouncing up and down Reply #28 - May 4^th, 2011 at 8:25pm	Print Post
	I still can't get them to stop hopping up and down, and i can't do much as sit on the tarmac with them without this! Any more suggestions? I already tried teh reinstall of teh E-3 and VC-137.


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701151 Senior Member Offline Delta 737-200 Posts: 1009 Location: UNITED STATES Joined: Jan 29^th, 2011 Gender:	Re: Up and down like the proverbial Reply #29 - May 19^th, 2011 at 1:35pm	Print Post
	Again, my problems are on the ground. I can't get a fix.


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