I have found that I get the LH Bottle Inactive light coming on if I start my engines the way described in KB#6204, as I said earlier. If, for example, I have everything set for engine start but I'm doing other things to continue my flight preparations, once I start the engines, it remains ON. If I get the engines started quickly, the light tends to go out, most times.

If I start the engines the way I described HERE, I never get the LH Bottle Inactive light coming ON.

I don't have any problems with the trim either. It is a bit sensitive, but I still find it easy enough to use without any problems.

Mark

I get the 10 Mile alert (Pilot and Co-Pilot) every time if I fly DNS or INS flight. It works fine for me.

Hi Mark. It used to work for me before the upgrade, but I waqsn't using INS, just flying VOR/DME, as I am now; is that why it no longer works?

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THORmx, I think you get that "L. H. Bottle" warning too because you start the engines the wrong way and this is just because you can't start them the right way.
"Right" is using the external power and air and go for "low pressure", "wrong" (because this is only used when no external stuff is available) is the "high pressure" variant with only one shot for engine 3, causing the "L. H. Bottle" warning after usage.

The check lists and the KB article currently collide in their statements and if you start the No. 3 engine with the "high press" setting, you'll loose the "L. H. Bottle" because it just gives you one shot.

The check list from Mark might work but can't be found either in the manuals or the KB, it's a Mark special and he just gained the "Senior 707 Flight Engineer Award" for this, congratulations!  


There's another flaw.
If only external power (not air) is connected, you have a "Low Press" reading on the AC panel.
I think that air of any kind can only come from the external air or from an operating AC, both things aren't working in this picture.

See here, external power only and you have "Low Press" air available.

Yes, that was a hopefully rewarding Award, at least that was the intention behind it.

I always go for manual starts and use the Ctrl-E thing for a fast check of other systems only.
The KB thing is wrong and misleading and the check list in the manual now works for me.
As said in the other thread, I don't know why I came up with a wrong procedure first through the 1.0 and 1.1 releases but eventually I did and this sort of built a bad habit, leading to the "L. H. Bottle" warning all the time.
My judgment at least was right: a clearly user related problem and no thing for any official bug list.

The only thing remaining now is KB article 6204.
KB 6204 describes a start without external sources (it therefor needs the high pressure bottle) while the manuals go for one with them connected.
So my suggestion would be to clearly state this difference to avoid confusing people.

The ground starts without external sources are the exception when operating the 707 in my eyes, the ground supply based starts are the common thing.


In my image, there is "Low Pressure" available and as no engine is running and no external air is connected, we have to ask ourselves where this could come from.
Invisible APU?


I've kicked the No. 5 item with the engine start air pressure out of the list for now as I have to investigate a bit before I can say that this gauge is wrong.

I think it's mainly without external air, but I'll check this and report back.

No. 3 startup on "high pressure" and without external air and power works. The "L. H. Bottle" comes up then because you've used up the one shot. Nice feature now, if it gets explained.

I like to mention that the manuals don't explain this, Lou did. Thanks!

If you open the bleed valve after the engine 3 start, you get all other engines running too with a "low pressure" start. The No. 3 bleed pressurizes the system and you then can start 4, 2 and 1 and gain more stable pressurized air with every start.
That's how it should be and that's how it works on this 707.

If you need air for the AC and Packs then, the Air Compressors have to be enabled, these are a 707 special, the modern jets do this via their bleed air too.


Still leaves this one as open and new

There shouldn't be any "low pressure" readings when the external air is not connected, the engines are off and the AC too.


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There currently always is a flow although no system is feeding it and there is no "green band" on the gauge.
Am I right?

I like your findings, Mark.
There's another instrument around with "inches of Mercury" I think, sounds toxic  
This source is better than any of my texts http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inch_of_water

But anyway, this little gauge shows readings without having something to read.
Turn all air systems on or off, always the same there, no fluctuation.
If you cut off electrics, it goes to zero but that's probably the case on all electrical driven instruments.

I think I'll put that on the list soon.

Well, I think it measures the amount of water collected by extreme laughing about funny explanations towards the this little thing.
I'm really glad that Captain Sim implemented it.

We definitely need more such gauges on other planes.  

Lets talk about the engine vibrations caused by joking passengers then ..
(I hope you get my strange humor, I don't offend anyone intentionally)


Getting more serious now: Has anyone of you ever tested the takeoff warning horn to come up?
Should be on the No.3 thrust lever and gets triggered if no flaps, no stab trim and speed brake lever not full forward.

I don't hear a thing when I do this but it's mentioned in the manuals.

Another question: Weren't the old manuals for the 707 coming in full color while the current ones are b/w only?

TO those with graphics errors, add the line HIGHMEMFIX=1 under the graphics section (I didn't come up with that) and delete the files in the temp folder. type %temp% into the start search bar to find the temp folder, and %appdata%/microsoft/fsx