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Engine Start Problems
Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:10pm
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Hi!

Recentrly I have buy the 07, now I have installed the INS Sistem.

But, for Align it, I need to turn off the engine, and I do it simply to CUTOFF the fuel control.

But, When I follow the instructions in the forum post, I can't star it!

I follow all correclty.. but nothing!

Som help please?  Cry
  

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Re: Engine Start Problems
Reply #1 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:35pm
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Firstly. I take it that you are loading the 707 with the engines already started then?

Secondly. There is a "procedure" to starting the 707. At first I couldn't always get it started. Now I start them first time, every time.

Here is what I do:

Shift + 2 (Animation Panel)
External Power ON. External Air ON.

FE PANEL
Battery.....ON
External Power.....ON or Ground Service (I usually just place the switch to the ON position)
DC Meters Selector.....TR ESS
Essential Power Source Selector.....EXT PWR
AC Paralleling Selector.....EXTERNAL POWER
All 4 Engine Bleed Air switches.....ON
Wing Valves.....OPEN
Left & Right Air-Conditioning Unit Pack Switches.....ON

CONTROL STAND
Engine Start Levers....START/IDLE (CTRL+SHIFT+F4)

OVERHEAD PANEL
GRD START....LOW PRESS
Engine Start Control #3...GRD      After engine #3 starts repeat for engines #4, #1 & #2

FE PANEL
DC Meters Selector.....TR3
Essential Power Source Selector.....GEN 3
AC Paralleling Selector.....GEN 3
External Power.....OFF
Galley Power.....ON

Shift + 2 (Animation Panel)
External Power OFF. External Air OFF.

That should get your engines started for now. I quite often wait for N2 to reach 15-20 before switching the Engine Start Levers to START/IDLE .

Hope this helps.

Mark

EDIT Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:29pm: Moved External Power.....OFF to the correct order of the procedure as pointed out by Alberto! Thanks.
EDIT2 Oct 6th, 2010 at 7:45am: Added the Left & Right Air-Conditioning Unit Pack Switches.....ON into the start-up procedure. I somehow thought that they and the Wing Valves were the same switches. Sorry. Sad
  

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Reply #2 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:15pm
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tanks mark, in some minuts I will try and say you.

Where I can set to  start 07 in dark and cold?
  

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Reply #3 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:32pm
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Mark!! tanks!!!!

Very tanks!! now it work perfectly!!!
  

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Reply #4 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 3:36pm
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Markoz wrote on Oct 3rd, 2010 at 2:35pm:
Firstly. I take it that you are loading the 707 with the engines already started then?

Secondly. There is a "procedure" to starting the 707. At first I couldn't always get it started. Now I start them first time, every time.

Here is what I do:

Shift + 2 (Animation Panel)
External Power ON. External Air ON.

FE PANEL
Battery.....ON
External Power.....ON or Ground Service (I usually just place the switch to the ON position)
DC Meters Selector.....TR ESS
Essential Power Source Selector.....EXT PWR
AC Paralleling Selector.....EXTERNAL POWER
All 4 Engine Bleed Air switches.....ON
Wing Valves.....OPEN

CONTROL STAND
Engine Start Levers....START/IDLE (CTRL+SHIFT+F4)

OVERHEAD PANEL
GRD START....LOW PRESS
Engine Start Control #3...GRD      After engine #3 starts repeat for engines #4, #1 & #2

FE PANEL
External Power.....OFF
DC Meters Selector.....TR3
Essential Power Source Selector.....GEN 3
AC Paralleling Selector.....GEN 3
Galley Power.....ON

Shift + 2 (Animation Panel)
External Power OFF. External Air OFF.

That should get your engines started for now. I quite often wait for N2 to reach 15-20 before switching the Engine Start Levers to START/IDLE .

Hope this helps.

Mark




A little corrections at yopur cecklist:

after start, I think is better first switc ESSENTIAL POWER to GEN3, and then turn off the GPU...
  

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Reply #5 - Oct 3rd, 2010 at 4:23pm
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Yes! Most definitely. Sorry about that. I copy and pasted those from the first instance of them and forgot to drop it down the list. Shocked

Thank you for pointing that out.

Mark
  

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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 12:33pm
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Sorry Mark,

Is there a setting to startup the 07 in cold & dark?

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Reply #7 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 1:10pm
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Hi Alberto.

I have to say yes, and also add that it is the same method. That's the way I start the 707 from cold-n-dark. Are you still having trouble starting it?

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Reply #8 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 2:00pm
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Markoz wrote on Oct 4th, 2010 at 1:10pm:
Hi Alberto.

I have to say yes, and also add that it is the same method. That's the way I start the 707 from cold-n-dark. Are you still having trouble starting it?

Mark


yes, without problems! how can i set it to load cold and dark?

but I have problem with INS sistem... he stops align at 65  Undecided
  

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Reply #9 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 2:52pm
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Alberto. You need to keep at it. When I first got the 707, I had a lot of trouble starting it. There were many times when using CTRL+E wouldn't even start them. Then suddenly. It all just worked, I get it started first time every time. You just need to get "into the grove with it" (I can't think of any other way to put it). Once you do that, it's great.

For encouragement, take a look at this Topic that I started when the 707 first came out. I was really frustrated because it just wouldn't start, no matter what I tried. Eventually it just "happened" and it was all worthwhile. Keep trying and suddenly you will just know how to start her up.

I had this problem with the Captain Sim C-130X too. Now I get it started first time, every time too. I persevered and got there in the end.

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Reply #10 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 2:56pm
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Alberto, don't worry, the INS is a tricky little box and starts to develop its enjoyment after going through real pain  Grin
See it like in those military movies, they first break you and then build you up.

There are some important documents coming with the Civa (look into the Civa\Docs folder), one of them is


So "stops align at 65" is a somehow misleading expression as you might see then. Please look up that (whole, not only the picture above) document and watch the digits described closely.

The Civa unit speaks to you with these error codes and we have to make sure that you are listening and understanding what it says.

Also press and hold the test button (all lights come up then) every time before starting alignment to cancel all error code in the units.
The remaining error codes are the ones to care about. Normally, there shouldn't be any before starting the alignment.

If it still stops the process, I assume that you have entered the initial coordinates somehow wrongly or just went from "standby" to "align" without checking/reentering them.

Please report back on this after reading.
  
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Reply #11 - Oct 4th, 2010 at 3:13pm
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yes, without problems! how can i set it to load cold and dark?

Two ways. Load the CS default 707-300 Cold-N-Dark (KSEA) My Documents\Flight Simulator X files\ (Documents\Flight Sim...etc... for Vista/Win7).

My default Flight Sim Free Flight is the C172 in a cold and dark situation everything off except for the Avionics Master Switch being left ON. This way, I can start anywhere with a cold and dark aircraft.

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Help with engine starts *noob*
Reply #12 - Nov 21st, 2010 at 11:18pm
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Feel like a complete noob having to ask this, but could someone detail the engine start procedure (ground as well as in flight), as I'm having trouble getting it right  Embarrassed

When I reach 15% N1 on a low pressure start and raise the start lever to start, I get no fuel/oil pressure. What am I doing wrong? Sorry for noobing around
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 1:24am
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Hi Devrij.

See this topic here: http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1286115031/1#1

It is not necessarily a "by the book" (not according to the checklist)  engine start, but it will get you going to start with. The Support KB#6204 is also a good guide to start the engines.

Mark
  

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Re: Engine Start Problems
Reply #14 - Nov 22nd, 2010 at 10:11am
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Thanks! This was exactly what I was looking for.

I was also curious about in flight start (eg after I forgot to set my fuel valves on a long flight I was left with a dead engine for the rest of the flight). I saw the procedures for high pressure starts and windmilling in flight but didn't have any luck. Your guide is the straight-forward description a FS noobie like me needs  Embarrassed
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