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cubs fan New Member Offline Posts: 1 Joined: Aug 17^th, 2010	The New 707! Aug 17^th, 2010 at 5:43am	Print Post
	Hi all. I just purchased this bad boy. I was disappointed to find out, that after install, there was only one model and one livery (Pan Am). Is Captain Sim going to make this right by releasing some more liveries very soon? It's unfortunate to pay $74.00 dollars and get only one plane. The bugs I've noticed thus far are: * No passenger window lighting effects while flying at night. * Very limited panels. The only options on the simicon window are Wx radar, animations, and a very cheap map. Autopilot acts goofy, half of it works, half of it doesn't. The positives I've seen: Great sound Very good VC Nice exterior in daylight only.


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Captain Sim 2 CS Team Offline Posts: 5564 Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: The New 707! Reply #1 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 6:51am	Print Post
	cubs fan wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 5:43am: Hi all. I just purchased this bad boy. I was disappointed to find out, that after install, there was only one model and one livery (Pan Am). Thank you very much for the first row purchasing. We do appreciate this level of interest in out new product. Quote: Is Captain Sim going to make this right by releasing some more liveries very soon? Yes of course. Please standby for the 707 site update (later today). The issues you have mentioned above are not bugs but features. Manuals are coming soon. For example, for independent control of �the passenger window lighting you need to use Shift+L.

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kiniu Full Member Offline Virtual Pilot Posts: 110 Location: Temporary London Uk Joined: May 20^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #2 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 9:40am	Print Post
	cubs fan Tkank you for letting us know what we will have if we buy it I will wait few more days and see what the others will say about the product and then maybe I will buy thanks

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UAL1287 New Member Offline Posts: 4 Joined: Aug 17^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #3 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 1:48pm	Print Post
	I'll buy when the KC-135 variant is released. �Any idea when that will be?? Ex 135 Driver


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12445 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #4 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 2:57pm	Print Post
	Hi. Here's my thoughts on the 707, so far. Learning to fly this beautiful beast without having a manual to read is a real challenge, but I'm game. Take note of this: "We are updating the 707 web site: screenshots, product description and manuals will be availabe by Friday morning UTC." �before you start to panic about not having a manual. We soon will. In the mean time I'm trying to fly it in a similar fashion to the 727, I could be wrong, but the similar cockpit interior makes me think this way! I had trouble with the A/P at first, but I got it working quite well in the end (after taking off from YMML and touring the state of Victoria before finally figuring out how to lock onto the FS Flight Plan to NZAA ). LOC and G/S capture I didn't figure out and so I had to land manually (I got way below the G/S when I was still a good 10nm from the runway threshold). I think some touch and goes are needed for me to see if I can figure it out. The Animations panel is really good and I think it would be great if the entire CS fleet were to get theirs updated to this standard. Unfortunately for cubs fan, I'm a flight sim VC man and don't really care for the 2D panels and I would rarely use them if they are there anyway, so I love the fact that there are only a couple. The map is basic. But it shows a large amount of detail, much like what you find in the default FS GPS. I think it's quite good. Liveries? Yes. Only the Pan Am livery, but I'm sure that we will get more in a future release. For now, we will have have to make do with Pan Am and any free ones that are made by others with the paintkit that is hopefully in the pipeline and not too far away. I found no mention of it, so perhaps that information will be out on Friday as well. The 707-300 is of the typical high quality and standard that Captain Sim are known for. Mark EDIT: Some things I forgot to mention. There are are two panel configuration files in the Panel folder. The default panel.cfg and CIVA_panel.cfg. So those who have the CIVA INS are catered for already! I couldn't figure out how to start the engines. I can't find an APU, but external power and air is available, but I must be missing something. And on the Flight Engineers station there is an image of two checklist pages that are very clear to read. I just haven't followed them yet. I just wanted to take off and fly so I was lazy. OK. I'm off to see if I can work it all out now!

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McCartney95 Full Member Offline Posts: 39 Joined: May 24^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #5 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 3:34pm	Print Post
	When will there be a boxed version?


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jeffg Full Member Offline Posts: 164 Location: Ponte Vedra Beach,Fl Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #6 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 4:32pm	Print Post
	I have bought and installed the 707 but will wait till I have a manual in front of me before I try and fly it. I have to wonder if the plane had to get pushed out of the hanger without the manuals and liveries for some reason. JeffG

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Captain Sim CS Team Offline Posts: 4357 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2005	Re: The New 707! Reply #7 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 5:09pm	Print Post
	McCartney95 wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 3:34pm: When will there be a boxed version? Most likely yes.

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Captain Sim CS Team Offline Posts: 4357 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2005	Re: The New 707! Reply #8 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 5:21pm	Print Post
	jeffg wrote on Aug 17^th, 2010 at 4:32pm: I have bought and installed the 707 but will wait till I have a manual in front of me before I try and fly it. The manuals are available: http://www.captainsim.com/products/x707/manuals.html As usual, we do not include the manuals in the pack, but leave them available as free downloads from the web site. �

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jeffg Full Member Offline Posts: 164 Location: Ponte Vedra Beach,Fl Joined: Jan 15^th, 2006 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #9 - Aug 17^th, 2010 at 5:27pm	Print Post
	Thank You very much for the reply JeffG

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McCartney95 Full Member Offline Posts: 39 Joined: May 24^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #10 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 11:13am	Print Post
	I've read that there will be 4x Textures. Do I understand correctly?, the 4x Textures has more Quality and Realism than the standard CS Textures. So they have the same Level of Macphat Textures?


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Nyxx Full Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #11 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 12:15pm	Print Post
	I would like to know about the 4x VC, would we have to set textures to 4096? If you guys have it, is it sharper, better than the 727/767 etc?

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Captain Sim CS Team Offline Posts: 4357 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2005	Re: The New 707! Reply #12 - Aug 18^th, 2010 at 2:49pm	Print Post
	The 4X textures are 2048x2048. The size matters, but the art of the texture is the key difference. Anyways, they are in four times higher resolution than 727/757/767.

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McCartney95 Full Member Offline Posts: 39 Joined: May 24^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #13 - Aug 21^st, 2010 at 10:49am	Print Post
	Hello, I've two questions, the first one, 1.Can I pay at the Download shop with an EC-Card or only with Credit card? 2.Will be the 707 Captain 1.1 a free update for 707 1.0 Captain customers?


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12445 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #14 - Aug 21^st, 2010 at 10:54am	Print Post
	Hi McCartney95 I can't answer the first question. But the answer to the second question is YES. See here: http://www.captainsim.com/products/x707/300/index.html Mark

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: The New 707! Reply #15 - Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:05am	Print Post
	McCartney95 wrote on Aug 18^th, 2010 at 11:13am: I've read that there will be 4x Textures. Do I understand correctly?, the 4x Textures has more Quality and Realism than the standard CS Textures. So they have the same Level of Macphat Textures? � McPhat UHDT have higher definition at 4096. �Captain Sim textures have the super high def at 2048. �Which brings up the question: do people need to changing their texture max load value in their config file to 2048 to fully appreciate the super high def textures? Captain Sim's textures set a new standard for developers as they are. �If you want to appreciate them, zoom in on the engines and read the Pratt and Whitney logo

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McCartney95 Full Member Offline Posts: 39 Joined: May 24^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #16 - Aug 21^st, 2010 at 11:06am	Print Post
	Ah now I can see it ok both question solved


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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #17 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 11:34am	Print Post
	Ive got a few minor problems with the 707: - firebell wont silence after fire-test, the bell-silencer switch on the right side of the glareshield wont stopp the bell ringing - both rear tires on the left main landing gear don't turn, anyone else got this? (might just be a problem after running the AES-configuration) - the duct-overheat-reset button will illuminate the overheat lights just beside the button (I think it should extinguish them, but the pack o-heat lights do extinguish) - the red LH-bottle inactive light on teh F/E-panel is burning all the time, and I dont know why? - the blue cabin-attendant light one the overhead-panel is illuminated all the time, and I can't extinguish it


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12445 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #18 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 12:37pm	Print Post
	TheFinn wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 11:34am: Ive got a few minor problems with the 707: - firebell wont silence after fire-test, the bell-silencer switch on the right side of the glareshield wont stopp the bell ringing - both rear tires on the left main landing gear don't turn, anyone else got this? (might just be a problem after running the AES-configuration) - the duct-overheat-reset button will illuminate the overheat lights just beside the button (I think it should extinguish them, but the pack o-heat lights do extinguish) - the red LH-bottle inactive light on teh F/E-panel is burning all the time, and I dont know why? - the blue cabin-attendant light one the overhead-panel is illuminated all the time, and I can't extinguish it Hi. I agree on all except the "the red LH-bottle inactive light on teh F/E-panel is burning all the time. Sometimes it is on and won't extinguish, other times it stays off for the entire flight "and I don't know why!" Mark

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SlipperySlopes Full Member Offline Posts: 8 Location: Fort Lauderdale Joined: Aug 6^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #19 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 4:18pm	Print Post
	I want this plane so badly, unfortunately I have reached my quota on aircraft for a month or two.

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Tim Capps Senior Member Offline Defense Lawyer & US Navy JAG (ret), Writer Posts: 1070 Location: Southern Illinois Joined: May 21^st, 2009	Re: The New 707! Reply #20 - Aug 24^th, 2010 at 4:31pm	Print Post
	On the overhead there is an Oxygen panel. My PASS and PERS light up during the flight.. some sort of valve. Any thoughts?

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Captain Sim 2 CS Team Offline Posts: 5564 Joined: Nov 8^th, 2005	Re: The New 707! Reply #21 - Aug 25^th, 2010 at 8:07am	Print Post
	Just a reminder for all - if you believe you found a bug anf want your report to be forwarded to development team for consideration please check-in to Your Profile then click Product Name > Customer Support > to submit a Ticket. Thank you for cooperation.

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Nyxx Full Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #22 - Aug 25^th, 2010 at 8:45am	Print Post
	TheFinn wrote on Aug 24^th, 2010 at 11:34am: Ive got a few minor problems with the 707: - firebell wont silence after fire-test, the bell-silencer switch on the right side of the glareshield wont stopp the bell ringing - both rear tires on the left main landing gear don't turn, anyone else got this? (might just be a problem after running the AES-configuration) - the duct-overheat-reset button will illuminate the overheat lights just beside the button (I think it should extinguish them, but the pack o-heat lights do extinguish) - the red LH-bottle inactive light on teh F/E-panel is burning all the time, and I dont know why? - the blue cabin-attendant light one the overhead-panel is illuminated all the time, and I can't extinguish it Yes I have all these, all small bugs. Love the 707 CS best so far by a long way imho. @Capain sim 2 These are your forums for customers to come and share there finding, you read them, its your product we are reporting on. If you have taken to time to read these posts is it asking to much for you to act on your customers feed back on your forums? Have a great flight

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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #23 - Aug 25^th, 2010 at 9:10am	Print Post
	Dont worry, I'll re-check all those points and afterwards I'm going to create a ticket for each bug I've found. Was just wondering if anyone else has got the same problems...


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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #24 - Aug 26^th, 2010 at 8:47am	Print Post
	Did another test-flight, and the list is getting longer: � - Both rear wheels on the left main landing gear dont turn (NOT an AES configuration problem) - The firewarningbell-silencer on the glareshield dont work - The ductoverheat-reset button on the upper F/E-panel illumiates the ductoverheat-lights right beside the button - Elevator trim is too sensitive, and the trim-wheel moves too slow (should turn much faster and make more revolutions while trimming the elevator) - The cabin pressurization-system doesn't work, and when turning the manual control the cabin-variometer moves even without having bleed-air to pressurize the cabin - LH Bottle Inactive light on the F/E-panel illuminates after starting engine #3 - Essential Power works, even if the corresponding curcuit is closed, e.g. ESS PWR of GEN #2 should't work if the curcuit of GEN #2 is tripped - Generator frequency calibration knobs dont work - copilots flight director doesnt show up, on glide slope it moves around in the cockpit - Flight director is connected to the autopilot, which is wrong and it makes the F/D controlunit uselsess. The autopilot and the flight director are two seperate systems which are not connected with each other. - Transponder active-light doesnt work - Annoying "Dont sink" on landing with 500ft/min sink rate - Right/left clicking is tricky on some controls like the COMM/NAV - The 707-300 didnt had HF-Antennas on the trailing edge of its wingtips And now, I'm gonna make some tickets... �


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Nyxx Full Member Offline Posts: 40 Joined: Jul 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #25 - Aug 26^th, 2010 at 9:32am	Print Post
	Great work Finn I always thought it would be nice to have the sound of the trim wheel working when on AP. No one so far has done that.

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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #26 - Aug 26^th, 2010 at 10:04am	Print Post
	Ok, I've made 12 tickets so far, and i just saw an update on the list for the next update: - The 1000-Feet Pointer stops working once I reach 20,000 ft. on C01 Altimeter - Doppler is not operating correctly - Left main landing gear: кear two wheels don't move


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felks Full Member Offline Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 20^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #27 - Aug 26^th, 2010 at 11:25pm	Print Post
	I agree , great work Finn I am glad you mentioned the wingtip HF antennas.That is an annoying visual error for the price tag. Regards


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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #28 - Aug 27^th, 2010 at 4:47am	Print Post
	Some of the points Ive mentioned already have been added to the list for the next update, go check it out!


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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #29 - Aug 30^th, 2010 at 5:58am	Print Post
	EDIT 31.08.2010 16:00 UTC Just a small update on the "bug-list": On the list for the next update are: # It would be nice to have 2D pop-up panel for autopilot. # The 707-300 series didnt have extra (3rd) VHF blade antenna on the roof just in front of the vertical stabiliser. # The RAT and SAT gauges only display 00.0 C and 0.0 Plus when SAT should be indicating around -35C at FL320. Should indicate ambient temp on ground and OAT at altitude. # Can we have CIVA INS in VC? # The flight director on the co-pilot side doesnt show up, and if on a glide slope, the pitch command bar is moving through the cockpit. # The 1000-Feet Pointer stops working once I reach 20,000 ft. on C01 Altimeter. # Doppler is not operating correctly. # Left main landing gear: кear two wheels don't move. # The 300-Series didn't have HF antennas on the tips on the trailing edge of the wings. # Fire Alarm Bell Cutout Switch should silence the fire warning bell, but it does not. # The blue cabin attendand call light on the overhead panel stays illumiated all the time, and cant be extinguished. # Duct Overheat Reset Button on Air Conditioning panel when pressed should extinguish the duct overheat light next to the reset button. Still open tickets are: - Cabin pressurization system - LH Bottle inactive light - Frequency control knobs - Flight-director should work with A/P off - Transponder active light - Elevator trim - "Dont sink" message - A/P disconnect light stays illuminated if you click on it (to extinguish) in the moment its illuminated - Fuel low pressure lights dont come on if the fuel tank is empty, only when the pump is turned off - Anti-Skid Test Switch doesnt work - Ailerons on the right wing move in the wrong direction Closed tickets are: - Essential Power working, even with tripped curcuit. And thats because its according to 707 manuals. And I've checked it on the DF727, where you get ESS PWR too as soon as the GEN is turned on (even with tripped BUS and curcuit). And in this case, the electric system (except from the freq. knobs) on the CS707 is working as it should. Additional bugs??? Now, as I was reading through the forum, I saw some other bugs I havnt found so far. Are there any more bugs which have to be reported via the ticketing system?


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felks Full Member Offline Posts: 11 Joined: Aug 20^th, 2010	Re: The New 707! Reply #30 - Aug 30^th, 2010 at 11:07pm	Print Post
	Hi TheFinn Again good work on the pickups. I notice they have put an extra (3rd)VHF blade antenna on the roof just in front of the vertical stabiliser. B707's generally only had 2 VHF systems fitted with #1 VHF antenna on top of the fuselage and #2 underneath (#2 antenna was commonly painted with high visibility candy stripes to prevent ground staff walking into them whilst ducking under the fuselage and also to prevent low ground equipment hitting them when in use ) Boeing introduced the #3 VHF system as standard on their 747's along with the trailing wingtip HF probe antennas. Funny they got the above mentioned stuff right on their Legendary 707 version ? Regards Felks


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TheFinn Full Member Offline Posts: 143 Joined: Aug 7^th, 2007 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #31 - Aug 31^st, 2010 at 5:58am	Print Post
	Nice attention to detail felks! I'll add a ticket for this. This is a picture of N885PA, and it indeed doesnt have this 3rd antenna: http://www.airliners.net/photo/Pan-American-World/Boeing-707-321B/0463652/L/ Quote: Funny they got the above mentioned stuff right on their Legendary 707 version ? Yeah, but the new 707 has lots of features the old one didnt had. And if we do all our best to report such things, we will have a really great plane in the end! Just hope that Captain Sim continues its good work on the 707!


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sieggie Full Member Offline Posts: 59 Location: Melbourne, FL Joined: Sep 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #32 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 2:38am	Print Post
	Anybody ever say what the "LH Bottle inactive" indicator was indicating and why it is on sometimes and not at others? Dave


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12445 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #33 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 10:13am	Print Post
	Yes. LOU said it has something to do with starting the 707 without External Power or Air. In real life, you get one shot at starting engine #3, then it is empty and the light comes ON. It remains ON until the bottle is replaced. If you reload the CS 707, the light goes out. In the CS 707 you can continually start engine #3 regardless of the bottle being empty or not. It would be nice if.... Mark

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sieggie Full Member Offline Posts: 59 Location: Melbourne, FL Joined: Sep 9^th, 2010 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #34 - Jan 27^th, 2012 at 9:41pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the info. I was in fact using engine 3 with out ground power/air. It is strange that CS did not provide an APU on the bird. At least one 707 manual I have found shows APU controls on the FE console. Dave


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Markoz CS Team Offline Posts: 12445 Location: Victoria, Australia Joined: Apr 24^th, 2009 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #35 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 2:02am	Print Post
	sieggie wrote on Jan 27^th, 2012 at 9:41pm: Thanks for the info. I was in fact using engine 3 with out ground power/air. It is strange that CS did not provide an APU on the bird. At least one 707 manual I have found shows APU controls on the FE console. Dave That question of adding an APU to the 707 has been thrown around the forum several times. If you do a search on it in the 707 forum, you will find out why there isn't an APU. I pretty sure it is because many of the original 707's didn't have them installed. Here is a quote regarding the APU on the 707: dmb201 wrote on Jun 18^th, 2011 at 3:58am: the reason there is no apu on the 707 is that they weren't in commercial use yet military yes but civilian no because they were to big at the time. Mark

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LOU Beta Team Offline 727,707,747,757,767= 40years of Boeings Posts: 1609 Location: Central PA, USA Joined: Mar 3^rd, 2010 Gender:	Re: The New 707! Reply #36 - Jan 28^th, 2012 at 2:13am	Print Post
	The long and the short of it is... In the era of this plane it did NOT have an - APU, GPS, INS, VCR, Seat back movie, etc.! It is what it is - an old school plane! � Lou

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