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Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Jan 28th, 2010 at 4:51am
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Captain Sim Support,

I am having AP pitch and GS captrure/track problems. In your respond to my K# request, you were informing to apply KB#4897 temporary solution for people doesn't have FSX Acceleration .

I did applied Temp Solution no improvement. I would like to know when SP QID4897 planning to release.
If, no release in close future, Will I purchase FSX Acceleration edition? and Will it solve the problem?
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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #1 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 8:00am
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Had you followed the KB4897 step by step it should have helped. Please try again.
  
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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #2 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:37am
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I did two flights, one in the 727-100 the other in the 727-200, and the Autopilot worked perfectly on both of them. From the time I turned it on to track my flight plan, right up to capturing and following the LOC and GS. I only turned the AP off at about 100ft AGL, just beyond the RWY threshold.

This is the CS AP that comes with 2.3 and not the one that has been modified and is offered in the other topic here.

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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #3 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 11:43am
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Markoz wrote on Jan 28th, 2010 at 10:37am:
I did two flights, one in the 727-100 the other in the 727-200, and the Autopilot worked perfectly on both of them. From the time I turned it on to track my flight plan, right up to capturing and following the LOC and GS. I only turned the AP off at about 100ft AGL, just beyond the RWY threshold.

This is the CS AP that comes with 2.3 and not the one that has been modified and is offered in the other topic here.

Mark


Quick question for you Mark...

I'm using the Acceleration version 2.3 autopilot (not any of my modified ones  Cool) and I find that in order to capture the localizer I must manually turn off "hold heading" switch, and if I want to capture the glideslope I must manually turn off the "altitude hold" switch.

Does the autopilot automatically shut these things off for you when you rotate the knob to NAV/LOC or AUTO GS?

Not that switching them off is a big deal for me, I'm just curious.
  
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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #4 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 4:03pm
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Matt2218 wrote on Jan 28th, 2010 at 11:43am:
Quick question for you Mark...

I'm using the Acceleration version 2.3 autopilot (not any of my modified ones  Cool) and I find that in order to capture the localizer I must manually turn off "hold heading" switch, and if I want to capture the glideslope I must manually turn off the "altitude hold" switch.

Does the autopilot automatically shut these things off for you when you rotate the knob to NAV/LOC or AUTO GS?

Not that switching them off is a big deal for me, I'm just curious.
Hi Matt

I'm using FSX + Acceleration too. And here is what I do.

I rotate the knob to NAV LOC with HDG SEL and ALT HOLD on while heading to intercept the Localizer.
I turn HDG SEL off as soon as the Localizer needle starts to move1.
I turn the Altitude Hold switch OFF2 and turn the main knob to AUTO GS3. Those two MUST be done just before the Glide Slope reaches the Altitude I am holding.
It is very important to make sure I do those three things at the times I have mentioned. Or else...
If I switch the HDG SEL too long after the Localizer starts closing in, the AP will spend too much of its time time trying to catch the localizer and MOST times it WONT succeed.
If I switch off the ALT HOLD after the Glide Slope has passed my altitude the Autopilot wont chase it. BUT. If I lose altitude AND try to catch it all hell usually breaks loose and the plane is very hard to control.
If any of these situations goes horribly wrong. I either abort the landing (Go Around) or continue on to try and land manually. A Go Around is really the best option (but sometimes I'm too stubborn and wind up doing a very, very messy landing).

When the Autopilot is in NAV LOC mode, it WILL turn of the HDG SEL switch! But it does it TOO LATE (UNLESS the angle of the intercept is very shallow. I think it is 10 degrees or less)!

I hope this helps.

Mark
  

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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #5 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 5:52pm
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Mark - my experience has been about exactly the same as yours!

Good to know I wasn't going crazy.

Good luck -
  
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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #6 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 8:47pm
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This is the CS AP that comes with 2.3 and not the one that has been modified and is offered in the other topic here.


It works because you use Acceleration. For people (like me) that have SP2, need to use the temporal fix.  Angry

BTW. Can I install Acceleration on top of SP2 or need to go back to orginal FSX?

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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #7 - Jan 28th, 2010 at 9:56pm
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Captain Sim support and Mark,

I don't have FSX acceleration.
There was no problem with  LC/GS engage procedure with  SP2.2 and AP was  PERFECT.
After dowload 2.3 and activated K#4897 still  I don't have Pitch control and, Localizer working but not GS. During the approach, as soon as  GS moves and goes  closer to level flight line I shut down   Alt Hold and switch to  AUTOGS. Yoke rapidly starts to move forward and backward., tries to capture GS, puts the plane violently goes up and down,AP cannot capture the GS. AP puts plane into dive to ground.

In normal condition  autopilot receives signals and  sent to trim to put the GS in actions. You will slightly feel control-yoke movements.If look at my  trim wheel you will not see any movements during control-yoke rapidly moving. Looks like my AP  GS  connected to Yokes not trim. Or some connection is missing.

Now I am lost...I also tried  Colonel Scott AP improvement guidance. Pitch control improved some way, but GS was not capturing and tracing the signal.

Mark and Matt I am glad AP working well for both of you. I think you all have FSX Acceleration.

Its clear understanding 2,2 was working l and has no conflict with FSX Acceleration, but I cant say some statement for 2.3 . If you don't have FSX acceleration 727-100 andl 727-200 effected with same problem.
I think  my only choice ,four years later, I have to go and spend $38 and to buy  FSX acceleration(??) if I want to continue fly 727100-200 .
I hope there are still some  other solution available
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Sanal

Here is my Autopilot file, Please review:

[autopilot]
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=1800
autothrottle_available=1
autothrottle_arming_required=1
autothrottle_max_rpm = 90
autothrottle_takeoff_ga=1
pitch_takeoff_ga = 8
max_pitch=10.0
max_pitch_acceleration=1.0
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.5
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.0
max_bank=25
max_bank_acceleration=1.8
max_bank_velocity=3.00
max_throttle_rate=0.10
nav_proportional_control=14.00
nav_integrator_control=0.35
nav_derivative_control=0.00
nav_integrator_boundary=2.50
nav_derivative_boundary=0.00
gs_proportional_control=20.0
gs_integrator_control=0.58
gs_derivative_control=0.00
gs_integrator_boundary=0.70
gs_derivative_boundary=0.00
yaw_damper_gain=1.0
autoland_available=0
  
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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #8 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 12:59am
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javiercuellar wrote on Jan 28th, 2010 at 8:47pm:
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This is the CS AP that comes with 2.3 and not the one that has been modified and is offered in the other topic here.


It works because you use Acceleration. For people (like me) that have SP2, need to use the temporal fix.  Angry

BTW. Can I install Acceleration on top of SP2 or need to go back to orginal FSX?

Cya

Hi Javier.

You can just install Acceleration directly over FSX with SP2.
Once when I installed SP2 prior to installing Acceleration (because someone once told me I should), SP2 was uninstalled by Acceleration before it installed.

@ Sanal.

Your [autopilot] listing appears to be the same as mine.

[autopilot]
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=1800
autothrottle_available=1
autothrottle_arming_required=1
autothrottle_max_rpm = 90
autothrottle_takeoff_ga=1
pitch_takeoff_ga = 8
max_pitch=10.0
max_pitch_acceleration=1.0
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.5
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.0
max_bank=25
max_bank_acceleration=1.8
max_bank_velocity=3.00
max_throttle_rate=0.10
nav_proportional_control=14.00
nav_integrator_control=0.35
nav_derivative_control=0.00
nav_integrator_boundary=2.50
nav_derivative_boundary=0.00
gs_proportional_control=20.0
gs_integrator_control=0.58
gs_derivative_control=0.00
gs_integrator_boundary=0.70
gs_derivative_boundary=0.00
yaw_damper_gain=1.0
autoland_available=0


Mark.
  

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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #9 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 3:15am
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Mark,
Thanks for your confirm,
Which acceleration I am going to look for.
1-Acceleration with SP2 (If this one I have installed long time ago)

2"-FSX Acceleration Expansion Pack" $38 at Amazon.com

I remember LDSX-767 forum, they strongly advised  not to install to your PC.  It gives many problems to FSX addons?
Is it valid complain?
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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #10 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 5:06am
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To my reckoning, Acceleration is always with SP2. I bought Acceleration when it was first released and there are no more FSX Service Packs to follow. Even if I download SP2 for FSX, it won't install. If I install SP2 then Acceleration, it will uninstall SP2 before installing itself. The 1st one you have will be the same as the one from Amazon.com as far as I know.

I have a lot of addons for FSX and they all work fine for me with Acceleration installed.

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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #11 - Jan 29th, 2010 at 8:23pm
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And, may i ask, what could happen if i try to install Accel. over SP2 in a FSX with 89463467846 addons? (My case)  Grin
I fear to death to install it and mess with all my installation witch i spent at least 4 weeks. Not even counting with the addons that looks for hard and soft changes (Like Ariane 737) and disable it. And the need of new actvation codes, etc ... etc ...
My FSX install directory is near 300GB  Cheesy and i´m very carefull with any new installation ... 

It´s not a fair fight: Making the AP in CS 727 works with Accel X Don´t mess with all my FSX instalation because a problem with Accel install!!! At the moment i prefer the last one!!!
  

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Re: Captain Sim Next SP QID4897
Reply #12 - Jan 30th, 2010 at 2:11am
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Hi Flavio.

As far as I know. If it works in SP2, it should work in Acceleration SP2. Acceleration has everything SP2 has PLUS some more. I have heaps of addons too (I don't care to count them because then I will start thinking of how much money I have spent) and I have had no problems with them running with Acceleration installed. Some of my addons come with the recommendation to have FSX + Acceleration to get the best experience out of it, but they are still great with SP2.

Most of freeware developers and the few payware developers I know try to make sure their planes work in all the different versions of FSX (RTM, SP1, SP2 & Acceleration), but at some point have to choose if it is going to be best with Acceleration because of the extra goodies it has.

Please don't take this as me saying you should, or must, have Acceleration. I'm not. In the end the choice is yours.

I hope this helps.

Mark
  

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