@ Dax

It is not my wish to discredit or dis-rail the great Capt sim....but when you quoted my post and offered your postulated views...i am surprised to see that you also have failed to see the bigger picture my friend..

you state:

''What would you rather have?  An interior that has no external model? Or and exterior where you could either add your own choice of cockpit or wait for the official one?  You could have both if you are willing to wait a few more years.''...

Dont you see??????..Capt sim hasnt even stated they are going to release a VC!!!!!!. so why do you suppose we could have BOTH in a few yrs..what do you base your presumptions on?.and as i already reiterated MY VIEWS were that they SHOULD of worked on a VC as WELL as the exterior!..i thought i made that simple point pertinent....please re-read my statements...and as for what i would like.. a b52 exterior with a b52 cockpit..not a ridiculous 747 aliased one!...its an insult to any serious FSX simmer to expect to pay for such a thing!


The 727 for FSX was released with no cockpit to speak of.  CS came through with a great updated version of the 727 cockpit.  I think it will be the same for the Buff.  But as they have to start from scratch, hence the longer development time.
On to the cockpit.  CS's Legendary C-130 for FS9 took 3 years to develop.  Most of that you can imagine is on the cockpit, vc and gauges.  The Buff has six seated positions. That's five full cockpits so to speak.  


I think you will find if you do some research and look into the delays on the c130 you will see it was  more to do with internal management conflicts and personal issues than actual physical development problems..But even with the convoluted stressful gestation period of the c-130 ...at least it had a complete fully working interior model...this is sadly not the case for the b52 nor does it appear to be a planned future inclusion....



Your views of reality seem sadly compromised..you state:


In Reality (as seems to be the sentence for this topic).  CS moved to the modular retail solution with the 757.  You bought the product in blocks so you can enjoy the aircraft as they develop it.  You get what they finish.  This also means they can concentrate on one part at a time to bring it out for you to enjoy as quickly as they can.  This was not embraced by everyone but it is a policy they have stuck to.  They are also working on multiple projects with a team that can’t be much bigger than when they worked on the 757.

and the biggest solution to all of it is....if you don't like it don't buy it...no one is forcing anyone too.

A note to all who read this topic too.  Captain Sim doesn’t accept any impolite behavior in there forum




CS moved to the modular retail solution with the 757???...so what does that mean for the end user..ie the PAYING customer??...buy half now..HOPE and PRAY the other much needed half  or bits and pieces will appear ONLY MAYBE if capt sim feels like it in a few more yrs!!!...so why do we still have their F117 with a f18 vc??...if you or anyone else subscribe to this increasingly prevalent  policy all you are doing is supporting any further half baked future releases from Capt sim...cant you see that?

You say ''They are also working on multiple projects with a team that can’t be much bigger than when they worked on the 757.''
Well in my opinion they would be better finishing one project in a professionally accepted way before starting a dozen others (how many of them are without internal models??????)...

Finally you for some weird reason feel like making the bold statement that   '' Captain Sim doesn’t accept any impolite behavior in there forum''.....

I am fully aware of Capt sims Forum Etiquette..i also realise that impolite or immature argumentative behaviour is not acceptable on ANY forum!...not withstanding just Capt sims!..however i am also aware that in order to recieve feedback they must appreciate tha tnot everyone will be sweet and rosy all the time!

Of course they will also receive valuable and free! feedback from their customers and any future potential customers and that's invaluable if they so wish to continue to consolidate their Number one place in the fsim PAYWARE world so they will also have to be realistic with their forums and not just expect to listen to a few die hard devotes who for some strange reason are still not seeing the bigger picture on what's happening here!

Anyway i thank you for you input and please be assured i have nothing personal against you or anyone else on this forum or Capt sim and their fine team of skilled people that give us so much ....all i want is a decent INTERIOR MODEL with every EXTERIOR....AS IN MOST freeware  AND EVEN LETS BE HONEST THE DEFAULT fsx AIRCRAFT!.....IS IT REALLY TOO MUCH TO ASK???...couldnt they have at leat released thsi with a BETA VC..then later the pro version!??......like i said...i will not be buying this model now...and i doubt a lot of others will be!   

.....am very annoyed Capt sim even expects ANYONE to want to buy a plane with a cockpit!....whats next...no wheels??...or no wings??...where does one draw the line?....

JB wrote on Jan 17^th, 2010 at 11:58pm:


WAIT for CS to officially say they will not be makeing a VC.

Thank you all for your comments.

Just to confirm, as for to date, the B-52 product is just an exterior only with nothing else promised.
So if you like the model, you pay 9.99 (thank you!) and you enjoy the model as is.
If you do not need an exterior without VC/systems, then we are sorry we can't help you today.

As for the future, we will see what the future will bring us.

Yes I agree to FSXaddict... It is sad because I was looking forward to at least a VC in the near future. I'm truly sorry to say that I will not put my money towards this exterior as long as there is not an VC...
Just because CS VC's are the best on the market and I'm buying CS products mainly because of the VC.

WOW WOW WOW..
What a heated thread...
I just received the mail from CS about the new BUFF. And after a quick check inline - a surprice - the plane has no VC... End of story.

What so problematic for you there -

No VC ---> No buy
VC ---> buy  ............. as simple as that (actually not that simple - I would rather waith for patch 1.4 or maybe 1.5...)

Im glad I found this forum first I almost bought it.

WOW!!! What a heated topic.   I definitely don't want to take sides on this one....might end up a victim of a drive-by.   But I will make my comments anyway.   I can understand both sides of this discussion.  IF THE PRICE WERE HIGHER,  I would definitely expect an accurate VC.   But we are only paying 9.99 for an awesome looking external model with a working, not an accurate,  but WORKING VC.  The flight dynamics are pretty accurate too,  with the nose down attitude during takeoffs and landing and during most of its flight regime.  And for the post asking to clarify the power and speed it is capable of,  yes,  all is quite accurate.   One thing the BUFF pilots have to worry about alot is overspeeding,  especially with the flaps extended. I don't HAVE TO HAVE a truley accurate VC to enjoy flying this plane,  and if I need the feel of a B-52 interior,  I do have a B-52 2D panel that will serve the purpose.   So for only 9.99 you are really getting a great bargain,  and with Captainsim's post on what is included and what is not included,   you know what you are getting.  I am glad that people are expressing their frustrations about no realistic VC.  It is what is needed to let Captainsim know how many want the VC.   I just think some of the posts are a little too heated for the price of what we are getting.  I feel that the VC may have ended up being more of a project than Captainsim realized it would be,  so they are using this forum to help them decide if it would be worth their while to devote much more resources into such a project.   I have spent 10 years working on the real thing,  so I know what the interior looks like.  It is quite a bit different than an airliner,  and also quite different than a C-130.   Being a true combat aircraft with a unique Nav, Radar Nav,  EWO and Gunner position to possibly model would be a grwat undertaking,  requiring some very unique gauges.
   Just to reitterate,  I do understand both sides of this discusion,  and by no means care to take sides.  It may be hard to understand,  since I have bought the model,  but I too wouuld love to have an authentic VC.   I just didn't let it keep me from buying it.   It is my honest opinion that the more people who buy the external model,  the more likely we will be to see a VC made for it.   I also feel that for those who put nasty comments on here without buying the low cost external model aren't really helping the decision making process at all.   You just might be suprised how well the 747 VC actually works with the B-52.  It is not authentic,  but it does work well,  and you CAN fly the plane perfectly with it.

   My own comments to Captainsim:   Thank you so much for the outstanding exterior model.   It is extremely detailed.   I love it 110%!   An I love the way it flies.   It really puts all of the other B-52 models,  payware and freeware,  to shame.    It's nice to have at least this much to enjoy now while we wait to see if a good VC will come later.   Even if one doesn't,  I am totally satisfied with this work of art.   Even if you would have charged more,  I would have still bought it.   It is totally worth it.   My Hat's off to you.   Grat job!!!

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