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Jun 12th, 2011 at 12:52am
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How do I get the aircraft to follow a GPS flight path? Assuming that it is able to because there is a GPS in the cockpit.
  

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Reply #1 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 2:37am
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Set the NAV/GPS mode to GPS. I have added the default C172 switch to the 727 A/P to be able to do this.
I made the following changes in the panel.cfg for all the models (100/200/100F/200F):

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 0,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20


Hope this helps.

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Re: GPS flight path
Reply #2 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 3:05am
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Awesome! Thanks Mark!  Grin now I'm going to go check it out.

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Reply #3 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 4:34am
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Hmmm... I'm seeming to have trouble locating the NAV/GPS switch in the cockpit.. Sad where is it at?
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 2:59pm
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My bad. I made a boo boo. The change should look like this:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20


I left out that 20 in the change to gauge00. I have actually reduced the size of all my 2D Panels, which is why I made the error. If you want to reduce the size of the 2D panels, let me know and I'll show all the changes I made to them.

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Reply #5 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 3:55pm
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Okay, cool! Thanks Mark, I'll see if it works now   Smiley
  

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Reply #6 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 5:20pm
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It works perfect! Grin thanks Mark!!  Cheesy
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 12th, 2011 at 5:49pm
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No worries. Sorry about missing that one small bit. It's amazing what a difference a 0 compared to a 20 makes. Cheesy
  

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Re: GPS flight path
Reply #8 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 12:54pm
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Markoz wrote on Jun 12th, 2011 at 2:59pm:
My bad. I made a boo boo. The change should look like this:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20


I left out that 20 in the change to gauge00. I have actually reduced the size of all my 2D Panels, which is why I made the error. If you want to reduce the size of the 2D panels, let me know and I'll show all the changes I made to them.

Mark

Mark, do I just copy and drop this into the Aircraft folder under Simobjects?  Do I erase any thing or copy over? I understand the smart thing to do is create a new folder then make the changes. Once done, copy the original to desktop and place the modified folder into the simobjects folder.  Really don't wan to screw things up..........thanks Otto.
  
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Re: GPS flight path
Reply #9 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 1:23pm
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That's a good question, Otto, but all you have to do is go to your 727 Captain folders in your SimObjects/Airplanes folder and make the changes to the aircraft CFG. I recommend backing-up all of your aircraft cfgs before you edit them.
  

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Reply #10 - Jun 20th, 2011 at 2:17pm
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Hi Otto.

Firstly. As NNewcomb says, backup the original panel.cfg.

Then delete the [Window03] entry and replace it with all of this:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20

That's the only change you need to make. It should look like this when done:



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Reply #11 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 3:18pm
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Markoz wrote on Jun 20th, 2011 at 2:17pm:
Hi Otto.

Firstly. As NNewcomb says, backup the original panel.cfg.

Then delete the [Window03] entry and replace it with all of this:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20

That's the only change you need to make. It should look like this when done:

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/Markoz958/CS727AP-mod.jpg

Mark

Yep, did this and all my 727's disapeared from my FSX selection screen.  Restored the system and now they are back.......... Sad
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 21st, 2011 at 3:44pm
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when you saved the panel.cfg are you sure you did not save it as panel.cfg.txt as this can be a common problem with vista or windows 7.

Also thanks for posting this Mark as ive just brought the freighter pack so i can use the 727 with Airhauler Smiley
  

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Reply #13 - Jul 2nd, 2011 at 4:55pm
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Thanks for the GPS Fix.     All is well except for my 100&200 Fs.   Now I have the GPS switch, but no Autopilot panel. I tried the fix twice --still no AP panel.   ??   Help !!! .
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Reply #14 - Jul 3rd, 2011 at 2:00am
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seejay wrote on Jul 2nd, 2011 at 4:55pm:
Thanks for the GPS Fix.     All is well except for my 100&200 Fs.   Now I have the GPS switch, but no Autopilot panel. I tried the fix twice --still no AP panel.   ??   Help !!! .
                                CJ.

Hi seejay.

Can you please copy your [Window03] and paste here? If I can see what is written there, I can show you how to fix it.

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Reply #15 - Jul 3rd, 2011 at 12:28pm
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Markoz wrote on Jul 3rd, 2011 at 2:00am:
seejay wrote on Jul 2nd, 2011 at 4:55pm:
Thanks for the GPS Fix.     All is well except for my 100&200 Fs.   Now I have the GPS switch, but no Autopilot panel. I tried the fix twice --still no AP panel.   ??   Help !!! .
                                CJ.

Hi seejay.

Can you please copy your [Window03] and paste here? If I can see what is written there, I can show you how to fix it.

Mark

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20
  
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Reply #16 - Jul 3rd, 2011 at 1:35pm
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Hi seejay.

[Window03] etc... looks fine.

What happens when you press SHIFT+4? Do you see anything at all?

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Reply #17 - Jul 3rd, 2011 at 3:21pm
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Yes Mark-- I see only the ' Nav,Navgps ' switch.         CJ.
  
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Reply #18 - Jul 4th, 2011 at 4:53am
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This is not the panel for the 727-100 is it? This is the panel for one of the Expansion Models isn't it? It is the only reason I can think of that would make it disappear.

Try this instead and see if this works.:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20

The bold text is what needs to be added so that the 727-200/100F/200F have to access the AP in the 727-100\panel folder.

I think this will fix the missing AP problem.

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Reply #19 - Jul 4th, 2011 at 11:29am
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Thanks Mark,   That was the problem.    Now all is as it should be.  Smiley
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Reply #20 - Jul 5th, 2011 at 7:10am
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Great. I'm glad we sorted that out.

From now on, I'll have to remember to include instruction for those who want to add that sort of thing to Expansion Models. So in some ways you pointed out something that I had forgotten about. Thanks.

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Reply #21 - Jul 5th, 2011 at 7:36pm
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Excellent edit Mark! The GPS/NAV switches next to the a/p look much better there thna underneath as they were before. I have the switches installed as well on my GPS panel,and althought it might look silly,the position make all the difference.
  

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Reply #22 - Jul 6th, 2011 at 8:30am
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Berlopez wrote on Jul 5th, 2011 at 7:36pm:
Excellent edit Mark! The GPS/NAV switches next to the a/p look much better there thna underneath as they were before. I have the switches installed as well on my GPS panel,and althought it might look silly,the position make all the difference.

Unfortunately, Bernardo, I think you got the first one I did for the 727 (quite a long time ago). This is a newer one. Mine is actually smaller than the one that I pasted in here, which I can do if you like. It takes up less of the screen than the default sized A/P with the NAV/GPS switch/

In fact I shrunk all of my 2D gauges in my 727-100/200/100F/200F. Looks better in my opinion. Wink

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Reply #23 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 3:28pm
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How did 727 pilots navigate in the real world? did they have some lnav or what?
  
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Reply #24 - Jul 15th, 2011 at 5:29pm
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They flew from VOR to VOR, using radio frequencies and magnetic instruments to fly from one to another.
  

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Reply #25 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 4:26am
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Hi Mark,
So I got the nav/gps switch installed next to the AP but it won't follow a GPS  flight path. I loaded a previous flight plan and it showed up on the GPS . I  engaged the AP in manual mode and flipped the switch to GPS. So I obviously missed something? Thanks for all your help.

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Reply #26 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 4:43am
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Hi, Brian. You have to switch your autopilot to NAV/LOC also change your Flight director setting to NAV/LOC. Hope this helps!
  

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Reply #27 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 4:49am
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Ok, thanks, Ill give it a try
  
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Reply #28 - Jul 17th, 2011 at 5:15am
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yes, that did it. It tracks perfectly now with the flight director and AP on nav/loc. Thanks much.
  
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Reply #29 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 12:33am
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I'll take Lou's position and jump in here...GPS...Boeing 727...ARE YOU MAD?? Thats liek having sliced break, without slicing it! You can't have a GPS in teh 727, its from different worlds, they don't belong. Go get the 757 if you want a GPS/FMS...
  

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Reply #30 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 3:01am
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701151 wrote on Jul 19th, 2011 at 12:33am:
You can't have a GPS in teh 727, its from different worlds, they don't belong.

Then why does the CS727 have the 2D GPS in the first place? The 727 can fly an FS Flight Plan, which is used by switching the NAV/GPS Switch to GPS so it can track the flight plan. Good enough reason to fly a GPS plan IMO. Wink

What do you say to those who would really like Captain Sim (in the 727 Captain - it'd be nice if... forum) to retro fit the 727 with an FMC? Just curious.
  

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Reply #31 - Jul 19th, 2011 at 3:23am
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I don't know if the 727 had a GPS or not. Even if it didn't its fun to use. One can always turn it off if you want to go the traditional route. Same reason I installed one on the 707. And thanks Mark for all your help in installing it.
  
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Reply #32 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 2:45am
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The Boeing 727 is from the 1960's, and GPS technolgy didn't breakout for aviation until after production ended.
  

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701151 wrote on Jul 20th, 2011 at 2:45am:
The Boeing 727 is from the 1960's, and GPS technolgy didn't breakout for aviation until after production ended.

GPS is the way the default FS Flight Planner does its plans. If the 727 can follow it and I can see/follow it in the GPS. I will use it if I want. If I want to fly it VOR to VOR, then I will do that too.

It all comes down to ones preference and how real you want your flight to be. Nobody can force you use the default FS Flight Planner and GPS if you don't want to, so why worry?

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Re: GPS flight path
Reply #34 - Oct 19th, 2011 at 5:09pm
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I really dislike the FS default GPS. Its such a bad implementation of a "GPS". If you really want to use GPS, I would highly recommend the Reality XP units. A true representation of the GNS430 and 530 with WAAS and LPV approaches. Plus the NAV/GPS switch is right on the unit. Much more up to date as well, has SID's and STAR's, and you can change your flight plan on the fly, or go direct waypoint without wiping everything out. Many developers are starting to allow seemless integration of Reality XP into their aircraft for people that own it.

I've been using either CIVA INS on mine or just VOR/NDB. Sometimes I'll fly VOR/NDB and use the INS to fly an RNAV STAR. I also have the ISG gauges but haven't tried using them because I have FMC on too many other planes.
  

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Re: GPS flight path
Reply #35 - Oct 20th, 2011 at 9:37am
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The default FS GPS has two things in its favor of it over the Reality XP units.

1) It's free.
2) It's much more simple to use.

Reality XP GPS are great and require a bit more time to learn how to get the best out of them. They are not what I would call cheap either.

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Reply #36 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 1:09am
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Very true on the price argument, Mark. The official support over there also is a bit wonky, to put it into the nicest words of mine.
The units itself are very nice though, but don't fit a 727 in my eyes.

727 + INS is the combo I love and can recommend, so close your ears if you don't want to hear it, guys.  Tongue
It's there, it's free, it works, it's fun and also teaches some stuff while staying at least close to the classic impression the old 727 gives us.
  
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Re: GPS flight path
Reply #37 - Feb 1st, 2012 at 1:44am
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Here is the info for adding the NAV/GPS switch from the default MSFS C172 into the 727-100:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20

And for the 727-200, 727-100F and 727-200F:

[Window03]
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=447,106
position=2
visible=0
ident=10005
gauge00=..\..\CS_B727-100\panel\Captain_Sim.p721.P12!P12_001_ap, 20,0, 427,106
gauge01=Cessna!Nav_GPS_Annunciator, 0,0,20,20
gauge02=Cessna!Nav GPS Switch, 0,20,20,20

Now you have the solution for all of them in one place. Wink

ALWAYS backup the panel.cfg before making the changes!!!

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Reply #38 - May 8th, 2016 at 2:13pm
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Hi!

I recently bought the 737 and 727

I already made the 737 fully functional.  But the 727 is refusing to do so.

I have a freeware 727 2d panel with full functions, but GPS, APP NAV buttons refuse to work. I followed a suggestion for making the AT work.

Also installed a custom AP panel, ignoring the default one.  Same with the Nav and APP buttons.

Huh Huh Huh Huh Huh
  

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Reply #39 - May 9th, 2016 at 11:14am
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Hello,

First of all, it should be mentioned that the NAV/GPS Mod no longer necessary because in any update (I don't know which exactly) a NAV/GPS Switch is installed right in place of the pneumatic brake in the VC.

@CesarW: Which systems exaclty are not function correctly in your 727? Only the AP? Have you got Cockpit-Sounds (switches)?
  

 
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Reply #40 - May 14th, 2016 at 8:16pm
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What doesn't work is the NAV/GPS mode, and the APP mode, I can land safely doing visual. Cool
  

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Re: GPS flight path
Reply #41 - May 15th, 2016 at 4:50pm
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Hello,

This should work if the NAV/GPS Switch in the VC is in the NAV-Position and the AP-Knob in the "Auto G/S" Position.

Don't forget to engage this configuration short at the bottom of the GS.

And, of course, ILS-Frequencies have to be entered correctly for the corresponding runway.
  

 
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