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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #15 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:02am
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You need to read Manual and Knowledge Base.
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #16 - Feb 24th, 2014 at 11:03am
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Captain Sim 2 wrote on Feb 24th, 2014 at 9:02am:
You need to read Manual and Knowledge Base.


I read all three manuals. They don't explain why the auto pilot does not work as it should.

Aside from that, my flight simulator experience goes back more than 20 years, which includes flying a detailed 727 addon from another publisher for MS FS9 for many years. I also own a copy of a original  727 operating manual from a US airline, since the 727 is my favourite airplane. So I thought I might change to FSX and try the Captain Sim 727.

But the MB IV auto pilot of your 727 sadly turns out to not work as it is supposed to. As mentioned before, the turn and pitch controller has no effectiveness at all in in terms of its pitch function. And the stabilizer trim is unrealistically sensitive, which, in combination with the not working pitch control of the auto pilot, makes it barely possible to fly this airplane. The altitude hold function also does not work properly. It makes the airplane behave like a rollercoaster during cruise.
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #17 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 12:36am
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Do you have Acceleration installed? And if not, did you download the fix mentioned in Reply #7 above?

With Acceleration, I find that the Autopilot Turn And Pitch Controller works for both pitch and turn, but the one in the VC is difficult and 99 times out of 100, I will turn the 727 rather than pitch it, so I use the 2D Autopilot Panel's Autopilot Turn And Pitch Controller where I do not have the problem of turning instead of pitching.
  

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #18 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 3:09pm
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Markoz wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 12:36am:
Do you have Acceleration installed? And if not, did you download the fix mentioned in Reply #7 above?

With Acceleration, I find that the Autopilot Turn And Pitch Controller works for both pitch and turn, but the one in the VC is difficult and 99 times out of 100, I will turn the 727 rather than pitch it, so I use the 2D Autopilot Panel's Autopilot Turn And Pitch Controller where I do not have the problem of turning instead of pitching.


Thanks for your help Mark.

No, I don't have Acceleration. I came across post #7 already, but I thought the fix was part of version 2.4 so I didn't take a closer look. But thanks for mentioning again. I will test it.

As for the VC turn and pitch controller: I immediately realized that the VC controller for pitch is rather hard to use without turning the airplane. So using the 2D auto pilot control panel was one of my first steps while testing the 727 for the first time Smiley

Let's see if the fix will work. I still think the CS 727 is a beautiful airplane addon, aside from the auto pilot glitches I experienced so far. I already was able to fix the missing sounds (just by reloading the airplane), and I also managed to include my payware KLN90 GPS gauge (including the default NAV/GPS button as suggested in this forum) and put a day and night bitmaps of it on the center pedestal  Cool
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #19 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 6:25pm
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Still doesn't work, which I already expected while copying the "Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau" file into the panel folder of the 727-100. Because there was no previous Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau file so nothing had to be replaced so the file obviously has no effect because it's not used.
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #20 - Feb 25th, 2014 at 11:55pm
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DesktopSimulations wrote on Feb 25th, 2014 at 6:25pm:
Still doesn't work, which I already expected while copying the "Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau" file into the panel folder of the 727-100. Because there was no previous Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau file so nothing had to be replaced so the file obviously has no effect because it's not used.

There should be a Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau in the CS_727-100\panel folder!

http://i669.photobucket.com/albums/vv58/Markoz958/CS727_GAU_file_zps89924a93.jpg...
Here is an image of  some of the files in my CS_727-100\panel folder. As you can see, there is a Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau file, so it should be there.

You are also right that the fix is included in 727 v2.4. I made the mistake of assuming that you were using v2.3 because this topic is named 727 2.3 Autopilot. Undecided

Perhaps the fact that the file seems to be missing, could account for your Autopilot problems? Reinstall the 727-100 Base Pack using the Repair option. You might want to disable your Anti Virus program while you reinstall, as it might have remove the file to its Virus Vault/Chest because the GAU file was perceived as a threat. Or you can check the AV Virus Vault/Chest, and if the Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau is in there, restore it to where it should be.
  

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #21 - Feb 26th, 2014 at 3:14am
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Well, I can't start new threads so I posted in this thread, although it's related to version 2.3.

Meanwhile I used the repair option of the 727 installer. After this the Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau file appeared in the panel folder. But the pitch function still didn't work. So I replaced that file with the file from the fix. Now the pitch function and altitude hold functions works. It's a little bit wobbly when disengaging altitude hold and adjusting the pitch, but all in all it finally works. I will do more testing tomorrow...

So thanks a lot again for your help Smiley

PS: I don't know why there was no Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau file after the first installation. But I don't think it was due my anti virus software since I always add the entire FSX folder as an exception because of potential issues like this and to prevent lower frame rates.
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #22 - Feb 26th, 2014 at 7:39am
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DesktopSimulations wrote on Feb 26th, 2014 at 3:14am:
PS: I don't know why there was no Captain_Sim.p721.sys.gau file after the first installation. But I don't think it was due my anti virus software since I always add the entire FSX folder as an exception because of potential issues like this and to prevent lower frame rates.

Some Anti Virus programs will target the installer because it is not run from the FSX folder.

For example, all my Captain Sim installers are saved in my FSX Bought/Captain Sim folder, so I also have the FSX Bought folder added to exceptions, it prevents my FSX payware addon installers from being scanned during installation. Wink
  

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #23 - Aug 3rd, 2014 at 10:14pm
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Interesting that you got it to work.  I have never been able to get it to work and have previously installed the fix.  I tried again today and it sort of works.  Very bad porposing of the aircraft once you change the pitch.  I have been able to fix that by completely turning off the A/P and Elevator and then turning them back on again.  Seems to fix it.  Not ideal but something I can work with and the aircraft is at least flyable.
  
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Reply #24 - Aug 4th, 2014 at 10:08pm
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OK it works not but almost unflyable.  When you increase or decrease the v/s or pitch using the A/P pitch knob the A/P bobs the aircraft up and down +/1 500 fpm on an ongoing basis.   Any ideas on how to fix this issue?
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #25 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:25am
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Actually, after further testing the patch for SP2 does not work at all.  Plane is completely unusable which is a real shame because otherwise it is a nice aircraft. 

Are there any other suggestions out there on what to do?  Perhaps installing an earlier version of the guage will fix it?
  
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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #26 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 3:16am
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mark767 wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 12:25am:
Actually, after further testing the patch for SP2 does not work at all.  Plane is completely unusable which is a real shame because otherwise it is a nice aircraft.  

Are there any other suggestions out there on what to do?  Perhaps installing an earlier version of the guage will fix it?

Seeing as the problem is caused by the difference between the SP2 installed with Acceleration and the SP2 for FSX, I doubt that installing an earlier version of the 727 will fix it. Sad
  

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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #27 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 1:30pm
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Thanks Mark, probably right....very frustrating.  I just wish they would sit down and fix it once and for all.  Looks like I will have to put it back in the hanger.
  
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Reply #28 - Aug 8th, 2014 at 5:56pm
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mark767 wrote on Aug 8th, 2014 at 1:30pm:
Thanks Mark, probably right....very frustrating.  I just wish they would sit down and fix it once and for all.  Looks like I will have to put it back in the hanger.


...or bite the bullet and purchase Acceleration.  That's what I ended up doing.  It works perfectly now.
  


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Re: 727 2.3 Autopilot
Reply #29 - Aug 11th, 2014 at 8:14pm
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I have thought about it, its not a cost issue but I think I will need to do a full reinstall and the thought of having to do that is painful and overwhelming !!!
  
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