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Not starting at any condition
Jun 21st, 2020 at 2:24pm
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Hi,
  just installed and I faced a issue at starting. The plane starts if only I previously chose a "CS Cleared for TO from KVPS". After that I change the plane and the apt, and only after that (and not always) it can be started. Worse, when I try to load a condition from the menu (Load one of the options), the "ready for TO" doesn't work. In the v4 version none of this occurred, and the start procedure is the very same as before.
  Thanks for any help,
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Re: Not starting at any condition
Reply #1 - Jun 21st, 2020 at 5:00pm
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me too...seem sont start also with load defaul cockpit (ex. ready for takeoff)
  
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Reply #2 - Jun 22nd, 2020 at 2:03am
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I had to select "ready for takeoff" twice for it to work.
  

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Re: Not starting at any condition
Reply #3 - Jun 22nd, 2020 at 8:10am
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I tried 4 times, but to no avail. it's always necessary to start from a "ready to TO from KVPS". it's clearly a bug; hope it will be fixed.
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Reply #4 - Jun 24th, 2020 at 4:20am
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farman wrote on Jun 22nd, 2020 at 8:10am:
it's clearly a bug

Nope https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cY10beCR26
  
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Reply #5 - Jun 25th, 2020 at 5:15am
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Hi,
  possibly the tutorial refers to v4, since in v5 it doesn't work. I re-tried, but the only condition it's working  is when I first choose the "CS ready to fly from KVPS"; after that, I can change aircraft version and airport and the plane is set to C&D. Only after that I can start the 1011.
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       Fulvio
NB:None of this used to happen in v4. I can as well show you the issue via Skype.
  
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Reply #6 - Jun 25th, 2020 at 2:54pm
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When trying to start the L-1011, is the ACC Ess Bus Power Selector switch in OFF position, or have you moved it to a different setting?

In the attached image, I have moved it to the B3(G1)


Edit. Oh! And also make sure to turn on the 3 ENG ISLN VALVE switches, under ENGINE BLEED CONTROL, on the Second Officer's Upper Panel!
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 25th, 2020 at 5:09pm
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farman wrote on Jun 25th, 2020 at 5:15am:
in v5 it doesn't work

It does https://screencast-o-matic.com/watch/cY1To55fvG
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 25th, 2020 at 10:06pm
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Hi Mark,
  I reinstalled it and this time the ready to fly option did work, but for two engines only-the third one doesnt work. The attached screenshots are my ready to fly. Don't waste more time, BTW; I'll manage this plane with the option I already told you. Select the default CS flight ready for TO from KVPS and so on. I'm tired to look at tutorials when I know very well how it should work.
    Thanks for your help,
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Reply #9 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 2:36pm
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  I won't bother you anymore; I understand I'm the only unfortunate man on this Earth with a 1011 not working properly.
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Reply #10 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 5:47pm
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Ur APU is OFF, so how u set up pressure system ?
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 28th, 2020 at 8:17pm
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The APU is off since it goes to Off when I choose the APU ON from the menu. I should like to know why. And, if you take alook at my last screenshot, I should like to knwo too why, after choosing the Ready to fly optnio from the menu, the mdi engine doesn't start,
  
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Reply #12 - Jun 29th, 2020 at 2:49am
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farman wrote on Jun 28th, 2020 at 8:17pm:
The APU is off since it goes to Off when I choose the APU ON from the menu.

I don't know whyĀ  this happens, but it happens to me too, so I have to start the APU myself.

To use the Ready for Takeoff option, I have to load that panel state twice. The first time, the engines spool up, but don't start. On the second use, all 3 engines start, and continue to run.

The Cold and Dark panel state works fine, sort of. If I have turned on the Battery Switch, and get the 1011 to any point beyond that, i.e. turning on things like the INS, or WXR, or used a panel state that turns the Battery Switch on, then if I select the Cold and Dark panel state, everything gets turned off except the Battery Switch.

I have created a panel state that has the 1011 turned on, with the External Power on, set it as the default panel state, and then set the panel state to Always Load Default, and this works perfectly fine for me. The procedure to continue to a point of starting the engines and continuing a flight from that point on, works just fine.

In my opinion, there does appear to be something not right with the panel states, but I can't figure out why that is/what is causing it.

As for why the #2 (mdi (mid?)) engine started, is very wierd, because like I said, once I load the Ready for Takeoff panel state a second time, all 3 engines are running fine.
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 1:58pm
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I was told when bought that the plane brings a ready to fly mode, by simply launching it. Well, just installed it in P3D 5 and when launched it shuts down. Despite pressing the control +E it does nothing. After done it again the initialization of the system freezes p3d and then crashes
How can I avoid the initialization of the system and then make the plane to launch already started?
This is not making me happy

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Reply #14 - Sep 3rd, 2020 at 2:58pm
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What is your default flight - the flight that starts in P3Dv5, whether that be after you select OK once the scenario screen shows up at the beginning (provided you have selected "Show on Startup" on the scenario screen)?

It's possible that it could be in a ready to fly mode if the default flight is used, but seeing as that was the first thing I changed after starting P3Dv5 the first time after installing it, I've never tried it. I've also cheated, because my startup flight is the C172 in a cold and dark setting (with avionics switch turned on). The C172 was copied from FSX to P3Dv5, and other than the problems I've previously mentioned, the L-1011 works fine for me.

I just started the L-1011 in P3Dv5, and after selecting "Ready for Takeoff" (twice), it is then in a "ready to fly mode".
  

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Reply #15 - Sep 7th, 2020 at 1:02pm
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Hi Mark
Thank you for your reply

My default start up flight in both sims is the default one, the warplanes.

In P3D v4 I have no issues but in v5 when I change the default plane to the Tristar the sim freezes while it does the initialization and never starts it closes

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I just started the L-1011 in P3Dv5, and after selecting "Ready for Takeoff" (twice), it is then in a "ready to fly mode".

Where do you select the ready to take off? I thought that was automatically set

Does the 767 is also ready to tale off?

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Reply #16 - Sep 7th, 2020 at 1:04pm
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Hi Mark
Thank you for your reply

My default start up flight in both sims is the default one, the warplanes.

In P3D v4 I have no issues but in v5 when I change the default plane to the Tristar the sim freezes while it does the initialization and never starts it closes

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I just started the L-1011 in P3Dv5, and after selecting "Ready for Takeoff" (twice), it is then in a "ready to fly mode".

Where do you select the ready to take off? I thought that was automatically set

Does the 767 is also ready to tale off?

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Reply #17 - Sep 7th, 2020 at 1:12pm
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Hi Mark
I would also like to report that the elevators in the tail sometimes when they are set at certain angle and you need to lower the nose of the plane, they go right to default position not just a click lower that you need they go just default and this means sometimes a crash as the plane drops too fast and nothing but nothing can avoid the fall. Can this be fixed?

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Reply #18 - Sep 7th, 2020 at 2:15pm
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Now I can not start the plane in v4  Angry

This is really annoying

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Reply #19 - Sep 7th, 2020 at 4:35pm
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carloscq wrote on Sep 7th, 2020 at 1:04pm:
Where do you select the ready to take off? I thought that was automatically set

As I said, my default flight, is the C172 (I copied the C172 from FSX to P3Dv3, P3Dv4, and P3Dv5), in a cold and dark setting, except that the Avionics swith is ON, so that's why the L-1011 is not in a ready to fly mode for me when I load it.

To select the "Ready for takoff" setting go to the Menu > Add-ons > CS 1011 Captain II > Panel state: Load
Then from the box that appears, select READY FOR TAKEOFF

See attached image (it's from P3Dv5, but it's the same in P3Dv4)

Note. It takes quite a while before I see the Add-ons appear in the menu.

carloscq wrote on Sep 7th, 2020 at 1:02pm:
Does the 767 is also ready to tale off?

Yes. You select it from the CDU. Click on the MENU button on the CDU > SETUP > STATES > READY FOR TAKEOFF

carloscq wrote on Sep 7th, 2020 at 1:12pm:
I would also like to report that the elevators in the tail sometimes when they are set at certain angle and you need to lower the nose of the plane, they go right to default position not just a click lower that you need they go just default and this means sometimes a crash as the plane drops too fast and nothing but nothing can avoid the fall. Can this be fixed?

Reinstall the L-1011, in both P3Dv4, and P3Dv5. Make sure you turn your Anti Virus program, or Windows Defender, OFF! And be sure to right mouse click on the installer, and select the "Run as administrator" option!

  

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Reply #20 - Sep 9th, 2020 at 7:11pm
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Hi Mark

Thank you for such detailed explanation, very much appreciated

Proceeding accordingly

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Reply #21 - Sep 10th, 2020 at 2:39am
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I forgot to say that I normally set the trim in the L-1011 to 6 for takeoff. I have found that this will give me a decent nose up attitude (not to high, not too low).

After take off, once I reach about 1000 feet AGL, I click the AP switch to CWS (Control Wheel Steering mode). This means that I can move the nose up/down a bit, and it will be held at the release attitude (this also works for banking)

Sometimes, I turn the VS switch on the AP to ON, and have it set to +1000fpm. Once I get about 1000 feet above the ground, I press the AP, and it brings the nose down to a 1000fpm climb (good for gaining speed wwhile raising the flaps). The IAS will be set to abpout 220 (230 IAS is the maximum speed for the flaps at 15o, and I don't want to exceed that).

If you look at this video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJB3uKCHow4 which I made using the L-1011, when it was first released for FSX/FSX-SE, you can see the AP settings I use for takeoff. Don't worry that the video is about a dual INS flight using the SimuFly Delco CIV-A INS in FSX.

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Reply #22 - Sep 18th, 2020 at 5:49pm
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Hi Mark
Thanks for all the information

I manged to find the menu to select the ready to take off mode but next time I launch the plane it starts again dark and cold which I don't want.
I want that every time I launch it, it is ready to take off, by default specially in P3D v5 because when the plane starts doing the initialization P3D 5 crashes. It simply closes, it is a crap version.
On the other hand I hardly take off or land inside the cockpit so I really don't need to touch any instruments at all, I just use the arrows to control and the F1 to F8 keys plus the num pad
What I like is to see the plane flying over beautiful landscapes of cities.
This said, how can I set the plane to always start on ready to fly mode as it was before?
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Reply #23 - Sep 19th, 2020 at 2:11am
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After some testing, this is how I was able to get the 1011 Captain II to start with the engines running in P3Dv5 first time, every time:

1. Load the L-1011 into P3Dv5
2. Select Add-ons > CS 1011 Captain II > Make sure Panel State: Never Load Default is visible (click on it if it says Panel State: Always Load Default for it to change to Panel State: Never Load Default (I didn't see it change, but the next time I navigated to it, it had changed).
3. Exit P3Dv5
4. Restart P3Dv5, and at the Scenario Screen (make sure the Scenario Screen shows when you start P3Dv5, by selecting (checkmarking) Show on Startup on the Scenario Screen) select LOAD
5. Select 1011 Captain Cleared for takeoff (KVPS)
6. After it loads, the engines should be running. From there, you can select a different airport, change the weather, and the date/time, and still have the engines running after making those changes.

Note. Once you have selected Panel State: Never Load Default, every time you start P3Dv5, simply load the 1011 Captain cleared for takeoff (KVPS) from the Scenario Screen, and you're good go with #6.
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 20th, 2020 at 9:37am
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Hi Markoz
Thank you so much
Proceeding as instructed

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Reply #25 - Sep 20th, 2020 at 10:52am
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Hi Markoz

It worked with no crashes, thanks

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Reply #26 - Sep 20th, 2020 at 2:02pm
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That's great to hear. Grin
  

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Reply #27 - Sep 23rd, 2020 at 3:35pm
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Markoz wrote on Sep 19th, 2020 at 2:11am:
After some testing, this is how I was able to get the 1011 Captain II to start with the engines running in P3Dv5 first time, every time:

1. Load the L-1011 into P3Dv5
2. Select Add-ons > CS 1011 Captain II > Make sure Panel State: Never Load Default is visible (click on it if it says Panel State: Always Load Default for it to change to Panel State: Never Load Default (I didn't see it change, but the next time I navigated to it, it had changed).
3. Exit P3Dv5
4. Restart P3Dv5, and at the Scenario Screen (make sure the Scenario Screen shows when you start P3Dv5, by selecting (checkmarking) Show on Startup on the Scenario Screen) select LOAD
5. Select 1011 Captain Cleared for takeoff (KVPS)
6. After it loads, the engines should be running. From there, you can select a different airport, change the weather, and the date/time, and still have the engines running after making those changes.

Note. Once you have selected Panel State: Never Load Default, every time you start P3Dv5, simply load the 1011 Captain cleared for takeoff (KVPS) from the Scenario Screen, and you're good go with #6.



Thats cool workaround but not a fix.
I don't have the default livery and the scenario doesn't load, I don't intend to reinstall it.

The issue has been reported 3 months ago, and even though the developer was adamant the issue doesn't exist, it clearly does as proven in this thread.
Will it be addressed and fixed in foreseeable future?
  
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