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Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:08pm
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wcn> Since I can't post questions I will ask them here.
wcn> 1. How do you adjust ascent and descent in autopilot on ?
wcn> 2. How do you set altitude in autopilot ?
wcn> 3. without GPS or VOR how do you control direction in autopilot?
wcn> 4. How do you set speed in autopilot.
wcn> I'm coming from A320 and more advanced aircraft to this old bird so things
wcn> look too complicated compared to newer aircraft.
wcn> thanks
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Re: can't start new topics
Reply #1 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 2:12am
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Jib01 wrote on Sep 5th, 2013 at 8:08pm:
William Jibby wrote via web-form:

wcn> Since I can't post questions I will ask them here.
wcn> 1. How do you adjust ascent and descent in autopilot on ?
wcn> 2. How do you set altitude in autopilot ?
wcn> 3. without GPS or VOR how do you control direction in autopilot?
wcn> 4. How do you set speed in autopilot.
wcn> I'm coming from A320 and more advanced aircraft to this old bird so things
wcn> look too complicated compared to newer aircraft.
wcn> thanks
wcn> Jib01

Which CS aircraft are these questions for?
  

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Reply #2 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:09am
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Sorry, it is the 737-100 and 200 series.
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Reply #3 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:21am
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Jib01 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 4:09am:
Sorry, it is the 737-100 and 200 series.
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I saw you asked why you can post a new topic in the 737 forum, so I have been preparing a new response. And here it is:



1. ELEV mode ENGAGED - You adjust the ascent/descent rate using your joystick/yoke/controller. Descent is more sensitive than the ascent. For descent, make small movements or the descent can easily reach -4000 fpm (I push down until it gets to -2000/-2500, then pull up o bring it to a slower descent.

2. ELEV mode ENGAGED - You turn the knob to Altitude Hold (it's on the right side of the A/P). See image below.

3. AIL mode ENGAGED - When the HDG switch is in the centre, it is controlled using the CWS mode. If you level the wings, the aircraft will fly straight ahead. Bank to the left/right (more than 5o) and the A/P will hold the bank. You can use Heading Hold (switch down). Then move the heading bug to the heading you want to fly. See image below.

4. There is no Auto Throttle! It is an older aircraft and is controlled by the pilot/co-pilot throttle inputs, so YOU control the airspeed.



NOTE: There is a trick that you can do so that the 737 will adhere to the SPEED BUG. The default Keyboard Command for Autopilot airspeed hold (on/off) is CTRL+R and the autothrottle_available=1 is already available in the [Aautopilot] section of the aircraft.cfg, as is the autothrottle_arming_required=1. This means that once you arm the A/T, you can then use the A/T to control the speed. The CS 737 does not have an A/T ARM switch, so I set mine to autothrottle_arming_required=0 and all I need to do is press CTRL+R, and the 737 will (1)set the speed bug to the current airspeed, (2)turn the A/T on, and (3) will obey the Speed Bug setting, so you can change the speed to suit yourself.
I found the response of the A/T too slow. This is the default max_throttle_rate=0.10 setting, but you can change it to improve how fast it responds to changes. I had changed it, but I can't remember the settings because I went back to not using it (I felt like I was cheating). Wink

[autopilot]
autopilot_available=1
flight_director_available=1
default_vertical_speed=1800
autothrottle_available=1
autothrottle_arming_required=0
autothrottle_max_rpm = 90
autothrottle_takeoff_ga=1
pitch_takeoff_ga = 8
max_pitch=10.0
max_pitch_acceleration=1.0
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.5
max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.0
max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.0
max_bank=30,25,20,15,10
max_bank_acceleration=1.8
max_bank_velocity=3.00
max_throttle_rate=0.10
nav_proportional_control=12.00
nav_integrator_control=0.25
nav_derivative_control=0.00
nav_integrator_boundary=2.50
nav_derivative_boundary=0.00
gs_proportional_control=25.0
gs_integrator_control=0.53
gs_derivative_control=0.00
gs_integrator_boundary=0.70
gs_derivative_boundary=0.00
yaw_damper_gain=1.0


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Reply #4 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:13pm
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After flying the 737-100 for a number of flights I came to the same conclusion with respect to the autopilot.  I slowly figured out what you described above.  At least I can fly the plane with confidence now.  I am running out of memory and the system drops out if I use too many of the features while on the ground.  I have one of those stupid HP computers that started out with 3 gigs and said I could add 1 more gig but Windows 7 doesn't see the other gig.  FSX is taking 1.5gigs to run or more.  I'll be installing FSX on my I7 computer later this year and it has 12 gig and should run fine.
Thanks for the answer.
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Reply #5 - Sep 6th, 2013 at 6:53pm
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Jib01 wrote on Sep 6th, 2013 at 3:13pm:
After flying the 737-100 for a number of flights I came to the same conclusion with respect to the autopilot.  I slowly figured out what you described above.  At least I can fly the plane with confidence now.  I am running out of memory and the system drops out if I use too many of the features while on the ground.  I have one of those stupid HP computers that started out with 3 gigs and said I could add 1 more gig but Windows 7 doesn't see the other gig.  FSX is taking 1.5gigs to run or more.  I'll be installing FSX on my I7 computer later this year and it has 12 gig and should run fine.
Thanks for the answer.
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The reason you only see 3 to 3.5 GB of RAM is because the your Windows 7 is probably only a 32 bit version, or you motherboard is limited to only 4GB of RAM (I'm leaning towards the former). You need a 64 bit Operating System along with your 12GB of memory, or you will only see the same amount as you are seeing now. Wink
  

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Reply #6 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 3:04am
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New question here.  I can't get the load manager to come up in 737-100 or -200.  What is the secret ??
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Reply #7 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 3:20am
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Jib01 wrote on Sep 9th, 2013 at 3:04am:
New question here.  I can't get the load manager to come up in 737-100 or -200.  What is the secret ??
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I take it you mean the ACE?

You use the Aircraft Config Editor (load manager) outside of FSX. Make the passenger/cargo changes, then click on SAVE. The changes are made to the aircraft.cfg file, so you will need to reload the 737 to see the changes.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 3:03pm
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Are you saying that the load manager is part of ACE ?  Of course I can run ACE but reading the directions the Load Manager is outside of ACE and is used with the aircraft braked at a gate.  Maybe it is related to the Freight carriers and not the passenger carriers ??
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Reply #9 - Sep 9th, 2013 at 3:48pm
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Okay. You must mean the 737 Freighter expansion Model. Sorry.

It is explained on page 15 of the ‘737 Captain’ FLIGHT MANUAL Part I – User’s Manual (csx737_manual1.pdf) under the 737-200C/F 'SIMICONS' PANEL heading. If you haven't already downloaded the 737 manuals, you can get them here: http://www.captainsim.com/products/x737/manuals.html


In the mean time, here is the image from the manual showing the icon on the Simicons panel to select to open the Loader Panel.
You can also open the Loader Panel by simply pressing SHIFT+7. Wink

Note: When reading the viewing the pages in the User's Manual, don't go by the number on the top right of the pages because they are all showing as page 1 (at least they are on mine Shocked).
  

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Reply #10 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 3:01pm
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Took care of it by purchasing the Freight model.

Other problems.....
I'll be flying along and all of a sudden the avionics goes dead and the engines stop and spin I go.  What should I watch for here ??

I'll check the fuel next time but I assume you start with a full load of fuel.

The Load Master is neat.....
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Reply #11 - Sep 10th, 2013 at 5:39pm
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Took care of it by purchasing the Freight model.

I assumed you already had it. I thought that was why you asked about the loaders! Sorry. For the 737-100/200/200ADV, the cargo is added in ACE.

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Other problems.....
I'll be flying along and all of a sudden the avionics goes dead and the engines stop and spin I go.  What should I watch for here ??

Sounds like the avionics has dropped out. If that is happening, maybe the GEN Switches (OH Panel) were OFF?

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I'll check the fuel next time but I assume you start with a full load of fuel.

That is dependent on the flight. The 737-200 has a max range of about 2,300nm, so if you flight is only 500nm, you need 21-25% of fuel for the distance PLUS a reserve fuel of about 5,000 - 7,000 pounds at most. My aim is to have at least 5,000 pounds remaining when I land, and the fuel burn at about FL320 - FL350 is roughly about 2,500 per engine, so that would mean I have about one hour of fuel remaining when I arrive. Usually I am too careful and end up having 8,000-10,000 remaining. Smiley

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The Load Master is neat.....

Yeah. It's nice how they work. Takes quite a while to load the bigger aircraft (767 and 777) as they have loaders for the UPPER and LOWER cargo decks. 15 each (total of 30) for the 767, and 6 for the lower deck and 13for the upper deck  (a total of 19) for the 777. Wink
  

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Reply #12 - Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:46pm
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Do Captain Sim aircraft have the same problems as some others when you are flying and you save that flight.  You come back into the flight and all systems are off including the engines.  Why, and is this a problem in Capt Sim aircraft ??
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Reply #13 - Sep 13th, 2013 at 3:05am
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Jib01 wrote on Sep 12th, 2013 at 4:46pm:
Do Captain Sim aircraft have the same problems as some others when you are flying and you save that flight.  You come back into the flight and all systems are off including the engines.  Why, and is this a problem in Capt Sim aircraft ??
I don't save in mid flight, so it's hard for me to test it with Captain Sim products. I do know that with some of them, IF I go into certain parts of the menu, then return to the flight, that some setting are reset. I have learned to try to have everything set prior to starting the flight so I can avoid that. So I guess that if they do it without saving the flight, then resuming it at a later date, that I will encounter those problems.

When you save a flight using some of Captain Sims' aircraft, there are hundreds of lines at the bottom of the FLT file. If you look at the 737-200 Cleared for takeoff (KSEA).flt file, you find these:

[C737_ElectricSystem]
bGen1Disconnected=0
bGen2Disconnected=0
bGen1SwVar=1
bGen2SwVar=1
bApu1SwVar=0
bApu2SwVar=0
bGrdSwVar=0
bAcBusTransSwitchVar=0
bDcBattSwVar=1
bDcGalleySwVar=0
nDcMeterSelectorVar=0
nAcMeterSelectorVar=0
nStdbyPowerSwVar=2
bRiseInSwVar=0
dGen1OilTempIn=84.300000
dGen2OilTempIn=83.300000
dGen1OilTempOut=15.700000
dGen2OilTempOut=15.500000
[C737_FuelSystem]
bFwd1PumpSwitch=1
bAft1PumpSwitch=1
bFwd2PumpSwitch=1
bAft2PumpSwitch=1
bCtrLPumpSwitch=0
bCtrRPumpSwitch=0
bHeat1Switch=0
bHeat2Switch=0
bXFeedSwitch=0
nVrefSelHandle=0
[C737_ApuSystem]
bApuOn=0
bApuStart=0
bApuDown=0
nApuSwCount=0
nStartCount=0
nStopCount=0
bApuLowOilPress=0
bStopSnd=0
bOnSnd=0
dApuTemp=15.171808
nApuSw=0
[C737_AirSystem]
bPack1Sw=1
bPack2Sw=1
bEng1BleedSw=1
bEng2BleedSw=1
bApuBleedSw=0
nIsoValveSw=0
bGasperFanSw=0
[C737_AntiIceSystem]
bWindowHeatSw1=1
bWindowHeatSw2=1
bWindowHeatSw3=1
bWindowHeatSw4=1
bPitotHeatSw1=0
bPitotHeatSw2=0
nWingAntiIceSw=0
nEng1AntiIceSw=0
bEng2AntiIceSw=0
[C737_HydSystem]
bGrdInterconnectSw=0
bEng1PumpSw=1
bEng2PumpSw=1
bElec1PumpSw=1
bElec2PumpSw=1

When you save a flight, the settings of these switches will change to suit whether the switches are on or off, so if you reload the flight in FSX, they are supposed to return to the setting according to the saved FLT file. I have heard some say that after restarting a flight, you have to reload the FLT for the switches to return to the correct setting for the flight. Seeing as rarely save in flight, I don't know if that works or not.

One thing you might want to try, is loading a saved flight directly, go to Documents\Flight Simulator X files, find your saved flight - there should be 3 files as a part of your saved flight (i.e. 737-100 Cleared for takeoff (KSEA).FLT, 737-100 Cleared for takeoff (KSEA).FSSAVE and 737-100 Cleared for takeoff (KSEA).WX) - and double mouse click on the FSSAVE file to start FSX, going directly into the flight itself, without using the FSX "opening screen". This might set the switches  to the correct position when you restart your flight.
  

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