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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #30 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:36am
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Does anyone know if this mod is good to use with the 200C/F

Ive already had to adjust the max gross weight on the 200C/F as its to light at 11600lbs, ive changed it to 124500lbs to reflect its MTOW
  

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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #31 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 10:17am
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gandy wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:36am:
Does anyone know if this mod is good to use with the 200C/F


I only have the base 200 installed but I believe it will work perfectly as long as the 200 C/F uses the same .air file as the 200 (csx732.air)

[fltsim.0]
title=CS 737-200 Captain Paint0
sim=csx732
model=
panel=
sound=
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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #32 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 10:27am
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sadly the C and F versions each have their own air files.

I might give it a go to see how it works.
  

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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #33 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 11:01am
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gandy wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 10:27am:
sadly the C and F versions each have their own air files.

I might give it a go to see how it works.


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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #34 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 3:16am
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bud7h7

Thanks a lot for doing this work on the 737. It is the effort of guys like yourself and the sim community that make flight simming such a rewarding pastime and the amount of work you would have done is appreciated.

I think this is a nice fix and makes the model behave sensibly like a real 737. When I first got the 737 a few days back I must admit I was quite dissapointed with its flight behaviour, which I thought was quite flaky, way too fast on acceleration, climb and descent with engine readout values that did not quite correspond with what I expected of an aircraft like this of this vintage. The 737 was always a pocket rocket but the CS intial release behaved like a pair of CFM 56's had been attached to the wings.

Off topic I know but the elevator is still way too sensitive and the cockpit wheel rolls about (backwards and forwards) incessantly in flight. In the real aeroplane and others like it these are quite firm and move slowly and do not have huge pitch change oscillations when they are moved.

I have not yet got the FD to work it just sits there toppled and the HSI is too slow and the HDG bug almost unreadable. I also get weird stuff happening with radio selection knobs. All in all the more FSX gets loaded up the worse it gets.

NOt sure if the pitch change issues can be fixed via the cfg or air files due to the interrelationship with cockpit guages and controls, I know some of this fixed up via the model files which I cannot access or change. Over to CS to do some more fine tuning.

Again thanks.
  
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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #35 - Aug 17th, 2012 at 8:37am
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Thank you for the kind words! I have not experienced the pitch sensitivity issue you described. Unless maybe we just have different interpretations on how the aircraft should behave. If there is any turbulance at all the AP will be constantly making pitch trim adjustments, and the amount of trim wheel rotation probably makes it seem like it's trimming more than it actually is.
However on FS aircraft with overly sensitive trim (pitch moves too much with very little controler input) I reduce the trim sensitivity in the .cfg .........

elevator_trim_effectiveness = 0.9
  

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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #36 - Aug 18th, 2012 at 10:29am
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Bud7h7 The modified AIR file fix works a treat in my view and gives me the sort of performance I would expect of the this era aeroplane and seems pretty close to the real thing, although I have never flown one for real I have flown similar vintage and sized aircraft. The take-off is more measured and climb and descent pretty well as per the book. No changes to the flight stability profile with the changes to parasite and induced drag that I could discern so it is all good so far, much better than v 1.0x cft and air files, but still all goes to make it a much better product and sim experience/

Again, Good stuff and well done.

As the for elevator sensitivity it seems it may be related to FSX v FSUIPC  and my Logitech joystick, as I like the mouse wheel control setting for trim control and it seems the FSUIPC setting may be too sensitive, that being said, I need to do a lot of reading and fiddling to get this set up to get the best out of it and that it seems may be a whole new topic and era of study.
  
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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #37 - Aug 31st, 2012 at 11:31am
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Bud7h7 Done a few hours now with the modified FDE for the 737. A few observations. I get a loss of power generally about F160 to F240 in ISA condition which results in loss of speed back to M.50 and ROC of about 500fpm then the power comes back on and aircraft accelerates again to normal mach for the climb and climb rate. I also find that at F270 and above I get rollback and find I have to constantly adjust the power settings to maintain crusie Mach this always results in the beast going up to its speed limit then me bringing the power back again. It sits there normall and then the roll back in the N1 and N2 occurs. (Engine inlet heat and fuel heat ON).

Are the turbine/inlet scalars correct for the mod you have done It all works fine especially on take-off althought I must admist the idle RPM is a little low to my thinking?
  
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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #38 - Aug 31st, 2012 at 7:16pm
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I get a loss of power generally about F160 to F240 in ISA condition which results in loss of speed back to M.50 and ROC of about 500fpm then the power comes back on and aircraft accelerates again to normal mach for the climb and climb rate.


I haven't seen this behavior. When you say loss of power do you mean thrust? Like reduced n1 reading?
EPR should be monitored every couple minutes during climb, and increased with altitude as required. If I takeoff with EPR 2.09 , by the time I am at FL240 I might have EPR set to 2.12 (if I'm still climbing).

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I also find that at F270 and above I get rollback and find I have to constantly adjust the power settings to maintain crusie Mach this always results in the beast going up to its speed limit then me bringing the power back again. It sits there normall and then the roll back in the N1 and N2 occurs. (Engine inlet heat and fuel heat ON).


What weather enging do you use? The roll back you're experiencing sounds to me like weather updates (winds). Headwinds/tailwind changes will obviously result in different speeds at the same power setting. Using real weather (REX) I often need to adjust thrust when the weather updates to maintain the best speed/fuel flow or even to avoid overspeed.

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Are the turbine/inlet scalars correct for the mod you have done It all works fine especially on take-off althought I must admist the idle RPM is a little low to my thinking?


The idle thrust is the same as the original FDE (should read about 33% n1 I think?)

  

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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #39 - Dec 20th, 2012 at 11:06am
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bud7h7 wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:42pm:
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current version 1.1 (July 31)



The file I get by clicking the link provided says in its readme.txt that it's version 1.05 from 23rd July.

Could you check it? Maybe I'm missing something?

Thanks for your effort!
  
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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #40 - Dec 20th, 2012 at 7:42pm
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liser wrote on Dec 20th, 2012 at 11:06am:
bud7h7 wrote on Jun 8th, 2012 at 11:42pm:
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current version 1.1 (July 31)



The file I get by clicking the link provided says in its readme.txt that it's version 1.05 from 23rd July.

Could you check it? Maybe I'm missing something?

Thanks for your effort!


Ah yes, I failed to update that part of the notes but the actual cfg values in the text are all the latest version (1.1)
File corrected 12/20/12
  

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Re: 737-200 FDE user mod 1.1 (July 31)
Reply #41 - Dec 21st, 2012 at 4:52pm
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Thanks for clarifying. I thought it could be something like that, but I had the doubt.
  
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