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Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Jun 2nd, 2012 at 6:12pm
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Hello!
Sorry to post this question but I think I read the topics dealing with INS and Doppler, but found no solution... (and I'm new to the 707)

First of all if I follow the steps described in this forum (and the manual of course) to set up and use Doppler, the autopilot always directs me to hdg 360 and "miles to go" reads 0. So basically I can't use Doppler for navigation no matter what I try.

Now and then the INS will also refuse to work as expected. Until takeoff it is aligned and running fine, but then its current position suddenly is off by several hundred miles thus turning the aircraft into a false direction. I tried to update the position via DME, but also with no success (INS updating panel not present, so maybe an installation fault?).

Any ideas how to fix these problems?
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #1 - Jun 2nd, 2012 at 9:24pm
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Welcome, Jaylynn.  Smiley

On the INS case, it's unlikely that an installation error drives it to a large offset. It's more likely that the coordinates got entered and then mixed up on e.g. Eastern and Western or by using some wrong numbers.

If it happens again, can you take some screenshots which show the steps you are running? You know, just in case. The pictures would help finding a problem. When it comes to the actual installation of the gauge, it either runs and powers up or it does not. The intermediate states are very rare.
  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #2 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 8:28am
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Hi! Dont be sorry for asking, or this forum will be useless Wink

About Doppler. Make sure you turned it on. Switch located on overhead panel. It have states off, rec, on, test (if i remember correctly).

then set DNS control panel (near the radar) to Standby. set range and heading for A and B slots (leg 1 and leg 2 of your route) Slot selector should be in neutral position.

Check that INS switch is in Doppler position (It located on Captn panel below altimeter)

Then ready to use DNS, switch it from Standby to MAN of AUTO mode. and then select slot A or B (depends where you put leg 1)

Turn on autopilot, and select NAV hold mode.

DNS should work.

A couple of notes.

DNS starts to track your route after you switch it to MAN or AUTO mode, and select slot.  Autopilot will track that route. So switch it to say, AUTO, and right after that Slot A. And right after that turn on A\P to NAV mode. it'll work.

It is better to takeoff, then track direct to VOR. And start to use DNS then flying over that VOR. Same for arrival. Fly DNS. Then inrange of destination airport VOR, switch to VOR nav.

If you set DNS to MAN mode and then decided to go to AUTO mode - Switch it to Standby first, reset legs. And then set auto.

Have a nice flying! Ask questions if you have any Wink

  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #3 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 9:16am
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Thanks for your help!

I gave the INS another try and I think it was just my fault by switching from ALIGN to NAV a bit too early. Ready light was not on yet  Embarrassed

Doppler is still causing trouble. After takeoff I turned it on and set DNS to STBY. The aircraft flew a hdg of 040 and I randomly entered HDG060/20NM into slot A and HDG037/50NM into slot B. Slot selector was neutral and NAV switch set to Doppler. Then I switched the DNS from STBY to AUTO, selected slot A and set the autopilot to NAV. Instead of turning right hdg060 the aircraft turned left hdg360.... DNS course reads 060 with 0 miles to go and 0 offset miles to right...

I don't know what I'm doing wrong in this case!?
  

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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #4 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 11:38am
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Here short fast-shooted vid. Sorry, forgot to record mouse position.

http://youtu.be/b1KApDPNrJU

Turning on DNS on overhead, selecting Land mode.

Taking off

Setting STAND-BY mode

Setting 2 legs

Switching DNS to AUTO mode

Selecting leg A

it flies selected route.

then approaches waypoint, and switching automatically to leg B

If it doesnt work that way, - something messed up in installation i think.
  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #5 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 2:02pm
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Thanks for making this video! I did everything as described but the autopilot still directs the aircraft to hdg360 and miles to go jumps down to 0...
I read somewhere else that there should be two lines on the map display representing slot A and B, but no lines for me of course  Huh
  

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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 2:41pm
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Hm..Thats strange. Are you sure that you didnt mess accidentally some gauges, when installed CIVA INS?

Or one more idea. Check if some key mapped to GPS\NAV function in FSX\Controls\Buttons. Maybe it in GPS state. It could be set by other aircrafts, and left in this state.
  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #7 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 3:30pm
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During the INS installation I just replaced the panel.cfg with the new INS-enabled panel.cfg... And I installed the CIVA INS after I found out that I couldn't get Doppler to work, so I guess the INS installation is not the cause for this!?

I assigned a key to NAV/GPS mode and gave it a try, but this doesn't seem to make any difference.
  

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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 4:29pm
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Well, i think repairing the installation can be a good idea. Dont forget to back-up panel.cfg with INS installed.

And btw what version of FSX you have?
  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #9 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:15pm
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Ok I'll reinstall the 707 and post the results. My FS version is FSX + SP2
  

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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #10 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:52pm
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WAIT! You gotta dig minimums for 707.
We had some A\P problems on 727 because of that.

i got Acceleration. I'll check now.
  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #11 - Jun 3rd, 2012 at 5:55pm
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Ok. It should work on SP2.
  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #12 - Jun 4th, 2012 at 9:33pm
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No luck after reinstalling the 707, Doppler still refuses to work.
  

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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #13 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 10:02am
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ok. one more thing to check.
is it ppossible that ac tries to fly gps track instead of DNS route?

simple way to check:
load default Grumman Goose, open 2d cockpit panel, locate switch NAV\GPS. Check if it in NAV pos. Then load 707, and try DNS.

You said you got a key mapped to that function, - try it.


  
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Re: Navigation problem with INS and/or Doppler
Reply #14 - Jun 6th, 2012 at 11:30am
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Check and see if there is a dpl.PLN (flight plan file) in your Documents\Flight Simulator X Files folder. If it is missing, the Doppler Navigation will not work.

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