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PDCS tutorial, sorta
Apr 23rd, 2012 at 7:36pm
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I will try to explain the PDCS a bit, in the way I understand it, not in the one being used by rw pilots. Just keep that in mind. If a later manual renders my texts redundant, so be it.  Cheesy

Manual2 offers the view on the keys and mode descriptions of that unit.


The main purpose of the Performance Data Computer System (PDCS) is to guide the pilots through the usage of correct and economic thrust values, EPR settings. There are a lot of other features as far as I can see, such as calculating VREF values or the optimal cruise FL. So feel free to explore after looking at the basic operation.

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The PDCS was developed jointly by Boeing and Lear Seigler in the late 1970's. It enabled EPR and ASI bugs to be set by the computer and advise on the optimum flight level, all for best fuel economy. It was trialed on two in-service aircraft, a Continental 727-200 and a Lufthansa 737-200 for nine months in 1978 with regular line crews and a flight data observer. The 737-200 showed average fuel savings of 2.95% with a 2 minute increase in trip time over an average 71 minute flight. The 727 gave a 3.94% fuel saving because of its longer sector lengths. The PDCS quickly became standard fit and many were also retrofitted. By 1982 the autothrottle had been devised and thrust levers could be automatically driven to the values specified by the PDCS.

From: http://www.b737.org.uk/fmc.htm

The unit in the sim looks like this.


You have one big Flight Mode Selector which can only be turned, a keypad with the numbers and 'submodes', some 'page' keys and a top line of three round buttons, being used to select a line on the display (SEL), clear it (CLR) and to confirm entries (ENT).

We'll leave the TURB key out, same for the ENGAGE button. The first one offers a dedicated thrust value for flying in turbulent air, maintaining structural integrity and the second one currently doesn't work. It should mainly give a status update with either being lit or not and, when pressed, should drive the EPR bugs to the computed values, same for the ASI bugs.

What are EPR bugs? Look here.

See them? One is at the default 1.00, the right one shows 2.04, which was set up manually by me.
In the current build, you will always have to set up those markers by yourself and then adjust the throttles until you match them with the needles showing the actual EPR. So those pre-set bugs are your planned values you are aiming for when operating the throttles later. I could be wrong, but setting them could be a part for the pilot not flying.

For EPR itself, look here. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engine_pressure_ratio


So how to handle the PDCS?
Well, it acts like an early FMC in a way, so you will start it up in the STBY mode and then enter your plane's values. Do do this, we have to realize that the numbers on the keypad can act in two different ways.

When entering values: numbers act as numbers.

When looking for 'submodes' and no data field is waiting for entries: numbers act corresponding to their letters, like 'LOAD'.

There are a lot of submodes and the manual2 explains them like this.


This time, we're looking for the LOAD key, which is #1. This is how the unit looks like before we press it.

You see that you are in the STANDBY mode (note the selector, it actually shows STBY too), you see the data in that mode (not much) and you see that you have 3 pages to choose from, being on the first of those 3 ('1 - 3').
To switch through the pages, use the <-PAGE or PAGE-> keys. The STANDBY mode is a passive mode, showing a status and self test but not needing any entries from your side.

Now, after pressing #1 (LOAD), the unit looks like this.

Now the page title shows LOAD, means that we're in that 'load' submode, consisting of two pages. A lot of ???? there, which represents data the PDCS doesn't know about and which can/should be entered by the pilots.

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???? means data can be entered, is needed

<  is the symbol which gets placed when you press the round SEL button. Pressing it more often switches through the lines of that page. That's your active line, you can clear it with CLR and then enter values. When done, press ENT.


Example.
You want to enter the current OAT in F, press SEL until the < is in the corresponding line.


Now you want to clear the ????, which happens when you press CLR once.

The < will start flashing and the line is cleared up of ????

Now enter the current OAT, take '55'.


Then press ENT.

The flashing will stop and the value entered gets computed. See, it even knows the temp in C now. Smart unit!

So that's the way of entering data!

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To conclude:
1) enter the mode you need for entering data.
2) select the line to enter data via SEL.
3) clear the line of ???? or previous data via CLR. (don't forget that step! I often do)
4) enter the value in the correct format.
5) press ENT to confirm.
6) no flashing < ? proceed to the next line or page or leave the mode.


If you are done on that page, switch to page 2 via PAGE-> and proceed.

Make sure to enter the temps and at least the ZFW or the plane to make use of the unit. Destination altitude helps on the planning (submodes!), same does the fuel value for reserve and alternate fuel. Here's the example screen for the ZFW value.

After pressing ENT, it becomes this. See the format change? It's automated.


Edited:
Note. Currently, the PDCS operates with imperial units, not metric ones. I've therefore edited the screenshots, to give proper values. Don't mix up the units, which is easy, because the ZFW gauge in the cockpit reads kgs.  Shocked


When you are done with the LOAD submode and want to return to the other modes, make sure that no data line is active (no flashing <) and then press #1 LOAD again.  First press enters the mode, second one leaves it.
You can enter any submode in that manner, so if you would like to know your current VREF, press '8 VREF once and look up the speeds for your current GW. For planning ahead, enter your estimated GW (ZFW + FOB). To leave the submode, press #8 VREF again.

Now, without explaining all the rest, lets look at the use of the unit when it comes to our takeoff.

Leave all submodes and switch the Flight Mode Selector to TO.


You will receive this screen.

Now it reads 'FULL' on top and showing that 2 pages are available, being on the first of those two, the one for a full thrust takeoff. Since we've already entered the OAT, the unit knows about it and displays our 55 F or 12 C, allowing us a max engine safe EPR value of 2.13. We could use that one and dial in 2.13 on the previously shown EPR bugs.


Note. If the ENGAGE key would work, you wouldn't have to dial in anything, but press the lit ENGAGE button and watch the bugs move. So note that 'M' on the gauges, which just shows that we've manually set the bugs to 2.13 EPR.

If you would want to go for a derated TO, if the runway length and conditions permit, the second page of that TO mode gives you lower EPR targets. You have to enter a new OAT value there. Even when entering the same one as on page 1, the EPR will give you lower recommendations as the mode itself aims for a smaller amount of thrust (a fixed percentage less), therefore reduced engine wear.
However, you can combine that one with entering higher OAT, leading to even more thrust reduction. You know, like on the FMC planes, which allow the combination of derated modes plus estimated temps. Double derate.

So lets enter some 75 F while being on page 2.

See? the EPR is lower now and you can set up that lower target to save some engine wear cycles. Note that the rw folks would calculate much more since saving engines is nice, but not being able to take off when the runway ends isn't that fortunate. Doesn't save many engines, right?  Tongue


The rest of the unit still is a lot to explore and explain, but I think you've got the basics and may therefore be able to test and use it yourself. You will often find different pages (for e.g. CLIMB), which just represent the available modes of e.g. climbing out.

Switching through the pages (4 of them for CLIMB), there's the ECON mode, which you may know from the FMC planes, and there is the one for climbing at the max climb RATE (therefore spoiling the economics a bit, but allowing a safe climb over mountain areas or just up to levels where the noise doesn't harm people that much). MANUAL is for a manual set speed target I guess and LIMIT may be.. for something else. That's the part which needs an extra manual in my eyes.  Cheesy


You mainly set the Flight Mode Selector to the flight phase you are in or want to plan ahead for. Then you enter the necessary data (???? fields) and receive your thrust values. To set the EPR values, move the bugs via their dials. As soon as the ENGAGE key is working, this step won't be necessary of course.
A Flight Mode always leads to and shows thrust values, the submodes then give additional data.

You can access the submodes like VREF in between, at any time, by pressing the numbers as long as no data line is active (means NO flashing <). Remember, a second press on the number ends the submode and you are back on the normal one, like CRZ.


If you get totally lost, press the RCL key, which will always set you to the main mode the Flight Mode Selector is showing. Therefore, all submodes are left behind. The RCL key also helps with getting old values back, in case you've cleared a data line and now miss the previous data.

The users with some FMC experience will have advantages of course, knowing about this or that acronym and the dependencies behind it.

Have fun exploring and keep on reporting bugs and flaws as detailed as you can. It helps the devs and the other users. There a a lot of modes for planning and looking for readings and calculations. Enjoy!



If I got something wrong, please let me know. It wasn't done intentionally, I promise.  Smiley
  
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Reply #1 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:39pm
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Thanks coolP
very good post.
I did work all this out from the manual, and playing with the PDC. The one bit of information you have passed on that was not in the manual is "the engage button is not working" Thats the part that has been confusing me. I did all the pre flight and the engage button did nothing.
Bit Odd i would think it would be pretty easy to make the EPR and Speed bugs move to the requested setting. Will this be implimented in a future update?
  
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Reply #2 - Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:50pm
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I hope so. It would be very easy to use then. Just dialling in the required page, checking/entering the data, the ENGAGE key gets lit, pressing it sets the EPR bugs. That's how I imagine it from reading the manuals.

I would wish for a popup gauge by the way. This would render the data entry easier and maybe gets around that key press lag which sometimes seems to occur. Maybe I'll try adding a popup window for it.
  
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Reply #3 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:41am
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CoolP wrote on Apr 23rd, 2012 at 10:50pm:
I hope so. It would be very easy to use then. Just dialling in the required page, checking/entering the data, the ENGAGE key gets lit, pressing it sets the EPR bugs. That's how I imagine it from reading the manuals.

I would wish for a popup gauge by the way. This would render the data entry easier and maybe gets around that key press lag which sometimes seems to occur. Maybe I'll try adding a popup window for it.

I wonder if "that key press lag" is what causes the CTD?

BTW. I printed pages 78, 79 & 80 from csx737_manual2.pdf and use it to help with entering the data in the PDCS.

Thanks for the brief tutorial CoolP! I'm sure it will be a great use to many.
  

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Reply #4 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 10:30am
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Thanks, Mark. And true that is, printing the manual is recommended.

Regarding the key press lag, good point. Maybe this contributes to the CTD cases. I still couldn't trigger another one, but I keep on looking for it.  Cool The lag itself is present very often, e.g. when entering '55' for the temp, the second 5 often gets lost. So I sort of enter 5 ---- think about something else ---- 5.  Cheesy Seems like the numbers (like on the ZFW) are a problem of some sort. Those example 40600 took longer too.

The gauge itself is brilliant and fun. I like those little screen calculators, like on the CIVA. So I really miss the working engage key, with the little light for 'execute'.

However, lets see if my plans on getting a popup window for it works out. See you soon.

Haha, look what I've received. Not that useful so far, but informative, huh?

The buttons and stuff are part of the model's 3D structure, so it seems like I can't move them into a window. Leading to the above. Well, I've tried.  Cheesy
  
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Reply #5 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 11:25am
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Do the submodes #4 GS, #5 RNG and #6 FUEL work for you folks? I can't enter them.


This is strange. The PDCS recommends some .721 climb, which sounds reasonable for that plane, being the -200 at some 49t.


But on CRZ, it plans for a .550 value with a very low EPR.


I really doubt that 737 cruise at .550 and I wonder how it computes that cruise value when the climb one looks ok. Could be I'm doing something wrong, but it may also be that the cruise values come in way too low by design. The only change allowed at ECON are the winds.

So I've switched to manual cruise (page 3), where you are allowed to enter the Mach value. But you can't get more than .616 to .618 out of it, no matter what I enter. Sirs, that's too low for the 737 and maybe you can help me on how to achieve higher PDCS EPR values.  Embarrassed


The descent page looks better, aiming for .721 again. So I think the CRZ page receives wrong data (due to my inputs) or doesn't calculate properly unless you plan to climb at .721, cruise at .550 and descend at .721 again while in ECON.
  
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Reply #6 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 1:05pm
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I enter pounds in the PDCS and not kilograms, so I end up with different EPR and Mach/IAS than you get. I have found that when I compare the Vref info, if I used lower numbers than what I get, e.g. 40/137, 30/142 & 15/148 with a ZFW of 82070 lbs, that I would not want to go much slower than the recommended Vref numbers or I will fall out of the sky.

@Captain Sim. Does the PDCS use values dependent on you FSX settings: US System (feet and inches) or Hybrid (feet and milibars) when it comes the weight you use for ZFW? Huh

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Reply #7 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:14pm
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I have EZDOK. I havnt set it up yet, but it's very simple to set up a camera view say a close up of the PDC and assign it a number key just press the number keys to quickly float between important views.
  
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Reply #8 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:20pm
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Good point on the units, Mark. The rest of the weight gauges show kg here, so I went for kg too in the PDCS. Is yours set to lbs?
http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/836/28344555.jpg/

Yes, EZCA certainly helps, but a popup is different (for me), even with TrackIR and things, some gauges are better as popups in my eyes (pun intended), especially the ones with a few buttons and some data entries necessary. Same for FMCs on the 757/767 for example.
  
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Reply #9 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:36pm
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Mine shows KGS there as well. But I have always used pounds in the PDCS. During the Stage II phase, that gauge went from metric to imperial and back to metric, so it's hard to say what it uses. That's the reason for asking Captain Sim directly. In the hope of some clarification. Smiley
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 2:38pm
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It should have complained I guess, when operating with pounds. My 40600 (kg) would then lead to a ZFW being lower than the empty weight of the 737 if the gauge reads the value as pounds. I don't know if that check is modelled though. Works the other way around too.

But, still, good question. Maybe it just calculates right away, we could check that with some out of range values. My guess is that the PDCS is metric on the weight values Either way, that information is vital of course.

Some folks with a VREF table for the adv, which should be slightly lower than the on the normal -200. http://www.nordicair.org/la/737land.htm It supports your idea of the imperial units in the PDCS.
  
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Reply #11 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 3:08pm
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From the manuals, that example screen gives a fuel weight entry of 21.6.

This is not possible in kg on that small plane, so I think you are right, the PDCS seems to make use of pounds, while the gauge for the ZFW uses kg. Thanks for the HU, Mark. I've edited the tutorial.

However, the things on the submodes (#4 GS, #5 RNG and #6 FUEL don't work) and the strange CRZ EPR values and planned Mach are still present. http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1335209812/5#5
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 4:05pm
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I also find that #4 GS, #5 RNG and #6 FUEL don't work. Clicking on the buttons does nothing at all. Sad
  

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Reply #13 - Apr 24th, 2012 at 5:34pm
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Thanks for confirming, Mark. Funny thing is, the above example shot from the manual seems to show the fuel mode. So maybe something intercepts the key presses and avoids entering the actual mode in the current build. Just guessing.

Can you check the EPR values too? TO is ok, CLIMB is ok plus target M0.72, CRZ is extremely low plus target speed ~ M0.550, DESCENT is ok again. Same on your side?
  
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Reply #14 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 2:32pm
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I've submitted a ticket on the three PDCS issues.
  • missing submodes #4 GS, #5 RNG and #6 FUEL
  • too low CRZ values computed, no manual entry above 0.616 possible
  • ENGAGE key doesn't get lit and doesn't drive the EPR/ASI bugs.
  
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Reply #15 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 6:05pm
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There doesn't seem to be a function for calculating takeoff V-speeds and stab trim in the PDCS....

Does one have to use -732 charts for this?  (I do have a set of data charts for the -732ADV).
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Reply #16 - Apr 26th, 2012 at 6:48pm
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I think the TO mode of the PDCS should drive the EPR and ASI speed bugs when ENGAGE is pressed. That's what manual2 says. Maybe with the speed bugs then showing a certain flap setting speed. Lets assume flaps 5, which should be commonly used. Since the engage feature currently doesn't work, this may lead to a lack of information, right you are. Or we're both missing the mode showing the speeds.  Shocked

The upcoming manual3 may help us as it might include some tables for the takeoff speeds. The 707 worked that way.
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 30th, 2012 at 6:15pm
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CoolP wrote on Apr 26th, 2012 at 2:32pm:
I've submitted a ticket on the three PDCS issues.
  • missing submodes #4 GS, #5 RNG and #6 FUEL
  • too low CRZ values computed, no manual entry above 0.616 possible
  • ENGAGE key doesn't get lit and doesn't drive the EPR/ASI bugs.

I've received an answer on the above issues.  Smiley

The issues are on the list for the next upgrade, and are forwarded to our development team. We will do our best to address the issue in the next upgrade.
  
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Reply #18 - May 30th, 2012 at 1:52pm
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Any reply to the ticket coolp
  
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Reply #19 - May 30th, 2012 at 3:18pm
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Only the one from above. I haven't checked the list for the next SP yet. Lets see. There you go.  Smiley

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Q: PDCS issues
1) The PDCS modes #4 GS, #5 RNG and #6 FUEL can't be accessed.
2) The PDCS computed values for CRZ are too low.
3) The PDCS does not drive the EPR and ASI bugs like stated in the manual2, page 78.
4) No mode entries possible when pressing the keys.
5) wrong EPR CRZ values, too low cruise speed for a 737, it may stall at that speed when flying high.
6) No light (before pressing), no action when ENGAGE is pressed.
7) Modes should be accessible like the other ones, e.g. LOAD (works) on #1.
8) Cruise speeds in ECON for a 737 should aim at some 0.75 to 0.79 I guess.The manual mode should allow for manual speed (Mach) entries higher than 0.616, up to the max possible cruise speed of the 737.
The PDCS should then give the corresponding EPR values.
9) From the manual2, when pressing ENGAGE, the PDCS should:
"5. ENGAGE KEY
PRESS (with a flight mode selected) - • Drives the EPR and/or airspeed bugs to the displayed values
• The key light extinguishes and the engaged mode is displayed on the flight mode annunciator"

A: The issues are on the list for the next upgrade, and are forwarded to our development team. We will do our best to address the issue in the next upgrade.


From: 737 Captain / On the list for next SP (QID 8138)

So I'd say it's processed (therefore closed) and the devs know about it and communicate the issues as seen above. Ticket system works.  Cheesy Lets just wait for the SP.
  
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Reply #20 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 2:47am
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As a tip on the issue with the wrong cruise values, always make sure to start the PDCS, enter your weights and things and allow the automatic updates on the 'WIND' page (submode), which is the 0 (zero) key on the numpad.

This will give you much better predictions and seems to cure the problem with the way too low cruise EPR values. Still, it plans for some 0.708 cruise which looks too low for the 737 in my eyes. So it's no 100% cure.  Undecided Also, any mod on the FDE isn't calculated, so that PDCS value only reflects the default CS737, not the ones running the (in my eyes) recommended FDE mod.

For proper calcs on the FDE modded planes, stick to the great work of Bud and Paul.

Here's how the pages of that 'WIND' submode should look like. Note the 'YES' on every page, which has to be confirmed by pressing ENT. The unit starts up with NO, so that's why you should check it.




And here's the result, some fitting EPR values for the cruise mode.  Smiley

  
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Reply #21 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 4:16pm
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I have had success with the PDCS calculating the CRZ speed. Try this and see if it works for you  Smiley

I enter this info before T/O on the TEMP 2-2 page (I don't enter during climb or cruise because FSX will often CTD):
Enter anticipated FL [320] (you can use the V-One OPT Alt & add about 4,000 ft, e.g. 316 + 4 = 320)
Enter SAT °C [-48] (see below for FL & temp values)
Enter ISA °C [0]

When at desired altitude, set selector switch to CRZ, and update WIND to [0].
I've tried different entry sequences into the PDCS and never had the CRZ speed calculate correctly on the ground.

PA      ISA 0°C
410      -56.5
400      -56.5
390      -56.5
380      -56.5
370      -56.5
360      -56.3
350      -54.3
340      -52.4
330      -50.4
320      -48.4
310      -46.4
300      -44.4
290      -42.5
280      -40.5
270      -38.5
260      -36.5
250      -34.5
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Reply #22 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 5:13pm
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Thanks, Paul, I will try it later.

Must say I'm still a bit in the confused state on the PDCS. That's from the modes which work, the ones which don't (no access) and the ones where I think they only partially work or mix up items. Now I haven't had the CTD problems (except for one occasion so far), but I'd say that a 1.1 737 would need a very close look at that gauge. Not to mention the missing ENGAGE feature, which would be extremely neat if available.

Your extra work on the callouts, the FDE (with Bud's work) and the table gauge helped a lot though. It's actually very cool to use it. Would there be a way to receive metric (weight) values in your gauge? Some small xml code change?

  
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Reply #23 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 8:52pm
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CoolP wrote on Jun 30th, 2012 at 5:13pm:
Would there be a way to receive metric (weight) values in your gauge? Some small xml code change?


Yes it's possible...but why would you need it? Would you be using it for testing / verification or do you fly using metric units?
(Not really a small change...more of a medium change, i.e. new bitmap images and nessesary logic for proper displaying, etc.)
  
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Reply #24 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 11:57pm
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Don't worry, Paul. Would just have been a wish since the metric weight is what I mostly use and run in my head, so to speak. But converting isn't a problem at all. I just thought that it might be just some parameter change in the xml code. You know, go to this line, change the ratio, save and you're done.
So, as said, no problem if it stays on imperial units.  Smiley

To be honest, the mixture of metric and imperial units on the 737 is a prominent character trait and I hope it gets streamlined via 1.1. To run the one gauge in imperial and read the other one in metric units surely adds some excitement at times.
  
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Reply #25 - Jul 1st, 2012 at 12:54am
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Adding a stupid question of mine. How do you enter a GW of e.g. 116.000lbs on the VREF (button #8) page? I'm always missing a zero.  Undecided
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Undecided CTD while entering 99999 which seems to be the largest value one can enter.  Cry


I just had to laugh about myself since those 4, 5, and 6 submodes work, but only in flight. That's GS, RNG and FUEL. Well, while some of this may make sense, they don't receive any data from the sensors or other pages. Me says the device could know about the TAS for example and may also be able to tell a few values from the DME updates.

If anyone gets the FUEL page to actually compute values, please let me know.  Cheesy
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Whoa  Shocked, while playing around with the FUEL mode and hitting RCL, my PC received a BSOD. Yikes! It's been a long time since I saw some bluescreen on that system.  Undecided

So I'll stick with the statement to look very closely on that PDCS for 1.1, which of course includes possible CTD problems.
  
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Reply #26 - Jul 1st, 2012 at 10:06pm
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thanks CoolIp, good tutorial!
  
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Reply #27 - Jul 3rd, 2012 at 7:23am
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Glad it helped.  Smiley I actually like that feature of the 737 very much.
  
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I have had success with the PDCS calculating the CRZ speed. Try this and see if it works for you  Smiley

I enter this info before T/O on the TEMP 2-2 page (I don't enter during climb or cruise because FSX will often CTD):
Enter anticipated FL [320] (you can use the V-One OPT Alt & add about 4,000 ft, e.g. 316 + 4 = 320)
Enter SAT °C [-48] (see below for FL & temp values)
Enter ISA °C [0]

When at desired altitude, set selector switch to CRZ, and update WIND to [0].
I've tried different entry sequences into the PDCS and never had the CRZ speed calculate correctly on the ground.



Thought I should give an update:

Before my last flight I entered the airport field temp and ZFW in the load page...no other data was entered...anywhere.
After reaching cruise alt, I turned the control knob to CRZ and then pressed 'RCL'.

The CRZ EPR was properly calculated (.720), apparently any other input has no influence whatsoever  Sad
  
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Reply #29 - Jul 7th, 2012 at 7:46am
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Thanks, Paul. I'm still afraid of the RCL key  Grin, but I will try it I guess.
  
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Reply #30 - Dec 21st, 2012 at 5:47pm
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CoolP wrote on Jul 1st, 2012 at 12:54am:
Adding a stupid question of mine. How do you enter a GW of e.g. 116.000lbs on the VREF (button #8) page? I'm always missing a zero.  Undecided

Plese, What to enter in the GW if TOW 102,900 lbs? I entered more than 99999 arises CTD
  

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Reply #31 - Dec 21st, 2012 at 7:08pm
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I couldn't even enter such a large number. Hence my question back then. Sorry, Oleg, I don't have a solution for you.  Undecided I hate to admit it but, currently, I'm running the 737 without the PDCS.

If you are looking for a nice mod, helping to handle the downside and even adding some more features, look here. http://captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1353062742
  
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Reply #32 - Dec 22nd, 2012 at 6:32am
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Thank you. It's interesting...
  

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Reply #33 - Dec 23rd, 2012 at 12:13pm
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When I use the PDCS, I enter the weights in Kilograms. Not pounds. If the gross weight is, for example, 115,400 pounds, then I would enter that value in Kilograms, which is equal to about 52,345 Kilos. The maximum weight of the 737-200 is 52,616 Kilos, so the Gross Weight will never exceed 100,000 and so you will never have to worry about entering that large a number next to GW.
  

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Markoz wrote on Dec 23rd, 2012 at 12:13pm:
When I use the PDCS, I enter the weights in Kilograms. Not pounds. If the gross weight is, for example, 115,400 pounds, then I would enter that value in Kilograms, which is equal to about 52,345 Kilos. The maximum weight of the 737-200 is 52,616 Kilos, so the Gross Weight will never exceed 100,000 and so you will never have to worry about entering that large a number next to GW.



So, the PCDS uses LBS or KG? Has this been cleared up at all?
  

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Reply #35 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 2:00am
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It uses pounds (in mine), but be aware that I have my FSX set up to display U.S. System (feet & pounds).
  

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Reply #36 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 6:07pm
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My system is also set up in imperial units. Thank you for the info.
  

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Reply #37 - Apr 3rd, 2015 at 7:14pm
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I also found on the stby page 2 or 3 it gives you the weight units to use.
  

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