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Where is everyone flying the 727?
Aug 14th, 2011 at 11:11am
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We did a thread like this a while back.  I thought I'd do another one to see what people are doing with this awesome plane.

Since getting some great help in my "How to navigate using airways" thread, I've been flying some fun routes from the midwest to the east coast.

I've been doing Chicago to JFK in American Airlines and United liveries. 

Also, Indianapolis to Newark Liberty in Continental liveries.

I've  been taking the -100 in TWA colors between Champaign, Illinois (KCMI) and Washington Dulles, too  This one in real life was flown with an Ozark Airlines DC-9, not a 727, but I like this route and the 727 is my favorite plane, so why not?

I like these types of distances.  Just enough to get to play airway navigation, but not so long as to take up the entire afternoon with just one flight.   

So what's everyone else been doing lately?

  


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Reply #1 - Aug 14th, 2011 at 11:11pm
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I've left the 727 a bit behind since the 707 arrived.  Undecided
Doing some routes around Cuba in the cargo role.
  
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Reply #2 - Aug 15th, 2011 at 4:04am
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CoolP wrote on Aug 14th, 2011 at 11:11pm:
I've left the 727 a bit behind since the 707 arrived.  Undecided
Doing some routes around Cuba in the cargo role.

Same here. I'm flying the 707 much more than the 727.

I like doing long haul flights and because the 707 has a longer range I fly it more often.

However! When I do fly the 727, I generally do small trips between 1 and 2 hours, rarely longer than that. I have done 4 hour flights in the 727 before, but not very many.

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Reply #3 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 12:56pm
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But where are you flying, Mark? Don't avoid that answer, you can be honest to us.  Smiley
  
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Reply #4 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 3:36pm
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CoolP wrote on Aug 16th, 2011 at 12:56pm:
But where are you flying, Mark? Don't avoid that answer, you can be honest to us.  Smiley

Oh alright then. Embarrassed

Mostly around Australia and New Zealand in the 727. If I get up to Northern Australia (Darwin, Cairns or Townsville), I might head for Indonesia or other close destinations in the South Pacific (Fiji, Solomon Islands, Vanuatu to name a few). Sometimes I start in the USA and fly around there.

I need to venture over to Europe more often because I rarely get there. And if I do, it's mostly England, France and Holand. Sad

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Reply #5 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 5:04pm
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My 727 flights generally occur on shorter routes in the Western United States because the scenery is spectacular. Going from KSFO to KLAX you have ocean on one side of the plane and beautiful landscape on the other side. Nevada deserts are nice as are flights into Denver over the Rockies. Any approach into Salt Lake city brings up beautiful scenery as well. The FSX detailed scenery around the Seattle area makes for great flying. I think MS focused on the Seattle area a bit more extensively in development being this is their home turf.
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 17th, 2011 at 9:17pm
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I fly in Australia, New Zealand, indonesia and so on. Started there just because my PC is too weak for USA and Europe, but i got used to that places. Will upgrade it soon. and buy ORBX Australia Smiley

727 - the only jet i fly now. last long flight was Perth - Port morseby. took a loong time, and i burned almost all fuel. Unrealistic route for 727-100 i think Smiley But im just having fun.

I want to try VATSIM. If i'll do that - then i'll be flying some Grumman Goose or DC3 in New Zealand at first Smiley
  
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Reply #7 - Aug 17th, 2011 at 9:49pm
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That sounds good, windplayer.
You know what, sadly there isn't much Russian scenery in the sim for people wanting to fly there without looking at default FSX all the time. I've bought some landclass scenery lately and looked for all the freeware around, so one gets at least a bit of coverage there.
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But im just having fun.

That's the most important thing, isn't it?  Smiley By the way, you can fly VATSIM with any plane you like and if you go to Australia or NZ, the controllers there will be among the most friendly ones as far as my experience goes.

Hey, Mark, concerning the Netherlands, are you using that great NL2000 freeware? That stuff is a blast and big fun to explore. http://www.nl-2000.com/nuke/
  
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Reply #8 - Aug 18th, 2011 at 4:36am
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I have taken the 727 everywhere, well nearly. After spending some time getting used to the bird using Tamworth NSW as the training base I then did a re-run of the original TAA delivery flight from Seattle across the Pacific to OZ via many islands. I have done across OZ to NZ and back, OZ to Guam and then on to Japan and then spent about a month or so of simming time trying the old JAL 727 domestic schedule and ports. Mt Fuji looked great as does the Pacific. Currently I am seeing how the 727 200 with the flight dynamic/power mods goes up and down the east coast of OZ. I think i have done most ports serviced in OZ by TAA and Ansett when they operated the 727. Ah and yes a run into Timor from Darwin was interesting challenge given the short runway at Dili and the fuel and load limitations.

I use REX weather and capture several screenshots on all my sim flights on account of the fanstastic skies and textures it produces I will post a few when I get time and reduce them to the 200KB limit for attached file types.
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 18th, 2011 at 11:13pm
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Oh yes, I forgot to mention Alaska. Some of the best default scenery FSX has. Try Wrangell to Ketchikan ( Alaska). There a many other very realistic 727 routes within the state of Alaska as well.
  
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Reply #10 - Aug 19th, 2011 at 5:56pm
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Islander wrote on Aug 18th, 2011 at 4:36am:
I have taken the 727 everywhere, well nearly. After spending some time getting used to the bird using Tamworth NSW as the training base I then did a re-run of the original TAA delivery flight from Seattle across the Pacific to OZ via many islands. I have done across OZ to NZ and back, OZ to Guam and then on to Japan and then spent about a month or so of simming time trying the old JAL 727 domestic schedule and ports. Mt Fuji looked great as does the Pacific. Currently I am seeing how the 727 200 with the flight dynamic/power mods goes up and down the east coast of OZ. I think i have done most ports serviced in OZ by TAA and Ansett when they operated the 727. Ah and yes a run into Timor from Darwin was interesting challenge given the short runway at Dili and the fuel and load limitations.


That cool. im doing something like this but from NZ to USA Smiley Problem is that im using random systems failure setting in FSX. And it allow to set max fail time to 600 minutes. So there is a huge chance to end long flight with some systems out Sad  I dont know is there a way to set random time failure more then 6 hrs. I mean if i set it to 60 hrs, then chances to experience some inflight problems reduce, and that would be more fun to fly long flights, coz u will need to monitor systems, not knowing which one will fail. Now if fly 4-5 hrs, i almost know what to expect Sad
  
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Reply #11 - Sep 4th, 2011 at 8:24am
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I'm mainly flying from Bordeaux around Europe using the Air France bird, mainly to Larnaca, fly there at least 3 times a week, and on the odd occasion I fly to either Wellington or Honolulu for the fun of flying the 727 Smiley
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 6th, 2011 at 11:22pm
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My last leg with the 727-200 was YMML - YPPH, or Melbourne - Perth. Love flying in Australia with oldies, don't ask me why  Cheesy
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 21st, 2011 at 10:41pm
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I've only done one, 'test', flight with the 721, around Denver, Colorado since just purchasing it the other night. However, most of my flights (that will be including the 721) are roughly 1 hour flights anywhere in the states.

Thats also where all my scenery addons are to. Wink

I'm sure the 707 will be my next purchase down the road and I'll have to just dive in feet first learning the civa-INS.
  

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Reply #14 - Oct 22nd, 2011 at 3:15am
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b1m2d3 wrote on Oct 21st, 2011 at 10:41pm:
I'm sure the 707 will be my next purchase down the road and I'll have to just dive in feet first learning the civa-INS.
I'm sure you will love the 707. As for the CIVA-INS, I jumped in and started to learn it (still learning here). My next step is to change it to dual INS.

Sorry about going off-topic. Lips Sealed

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Reply #15 - Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:54pm
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Well it was a pretty tough toss up between the 707 and the 727, but I'd had my eye on the 727 for about year or so.

I also have the FS Labs Concorde which uses the INS, although I've sorta skirted around its INS systems by adding the default GPS nav to it. sssh! Wink That aircraft is just one big monster of new things to learn!

But back on topic - did my first (attempted) flight last night from KCVG to KDTW (Cincinatti to Detroit) - about 2/3rds into the flight I got distracted and forgot to watch my speed. I ended up overspeeding the 727. DOH! Thank God for sims, we can always just reload our flight, and try again. Wink
  

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Reply #16 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 12:14am
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b1m2d3 wrote on Oct 22nd, 2011 at 6:54pm:
I also have the FS Labs Concorde which uses the INS, although I've sorta skirted around its INS systems by adding the default GPS nav to it. sssh! Wink That aircraft is just one big monster of new things to learn!
Mr CoolP will hang you for that (the GPS thingy shhhhh)! But I hear you on the "new things to learn".

I have often had the "overspeed" warning come up on my 727 for that same reason. But I have never needed to restart a flight, even with realism maxed? Why did you? Or is that just something you do as a part of the realism?

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Reply #17 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:56am
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Yea the GPS thing, just between you and me. haha  Tongue

Funny you mention the overspeed audible warning, I don't remember hearing it. I'm flying along, managing the flight (or at least thought I was), and the next thing I know, the sim stops and the next screen I see is the one telling me I was in overspeed and by default it started me back at KCVG.

For the short flight it was, it was fun being more busy in the cockpit, thats for sure! To be honest, these newer aircraft are fun to fly as well. But theres just not a whole lot to do during the cruise phase.  Cheesy In part, thats why I like to keep my flights short (an hour or just a tad less). Taxi, takeoffs, descent/approaches, and landings is where the action is.
  

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Reply #18 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 8:35am
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b1m2d3 wrote on Oct 23rd, 2011 at 1:56am:
Funny you mention the overspeed audible warning, I don't remember hearing it. I'm flying along, managing the flight (or at least thought I was), and the next thing I know, the sim stops and the next screen I see is the one telling me I was in overspeed and by default it started me back at KCVG.
I could easily be confused between the 727 and 707 (ouch). So I'll check on the audio warning.
Do you have failures ON or something else that stops the sim and resets the flight? I never get the flight reset.
  

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Reply #19 - Oct 23rd, 2011 at 9:07pm
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I'm pretty sure I don't have failures on, but I will have to double check. As for not hearing an audible overspeed warning, do you think this could be part of the fact that 2.4 has the sound issues?

And out of curiousity, when you go into overspeed and don't make the necessary corrections, does FSX pop up the screen showing your aircraft with the green message at the top saying you've gone into overspeed? That is the screen I got and the only way out of it was to hit the ESC key which then took me back to KCVG. (of course you get the black screen where its loading, but then restarts your flight at the departure airport).
  

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Reply #20 - Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:27am
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Not sure why yours crashes when you overspeed and mine doesn't. I started making realism changes, but nothing made it "crash", I did get the overspeed warning in the 727, it's a rapid continuous "click click click click click" sound. I even flew the 727 for quite some time with the ASI "off the clock" at FL190 without it breaking. Beats me. Huh

I did get something strange happen. I didn't see the red overspeed message in FSX. I think it has something to do with a setting in Orbx FSX Go, so I'll need to get that one turned back on. Undecided
  

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Reply #21 - Oct 24th, 2011 at 1:54am
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Yea its no biggie really. As long as I keep an eye on my speed and don't let it stay into overspeed conditions for too long I'll be fine.

Just finished up the flight from KVCG to KDTW. Was gonna post a few shots, but I guess I have to have 10 posts or more. lol

Another thing I noticed is the ap pitch knob doesn't really do anything. I've tried it with the ELEV on/off, Altitude hold on/off and no go, ie I don't really notice any changes in pitch changes. Again, nothing game breaking on the 727 as I just hand fly it to my required alt, level off and hit the alt hold. Wink
  

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Some changes were made to to the way the Captain Sim Forums can be used by new members. This was to stop the spammers that were posting in the forums. You'll eventually get past that. Soon I hope. Wink


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Reply #24 - Dec 4th, 2011 at 11:28am
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One of the most compelling reasons for me to switch to FSX has been this 727 since I saw some really good screenshots of it posted a couple years back. I owned and enjoyed the Legendary 727 for FS9 in it's day, it's still one of my favorite sim aircraft. Well anyway, I've been running FSX for a couple months now and just recently I've finally purchased the 727-100 + -200 expansion.

I've been through the forums the past few nights and got all the good tweaks going, one problem I had was I'm running a non-accel version of FSX so I had to get the updated autopilot to get it working. Sound issue, reload aircraft; works for me. Got rid of the "don't sink" warning, and watched a couple videos on starting from C&D. Thanks you guys in the forums for having all this stuff figured out and making the info available and easy to find.

So, now after having her in my hangar for a few days, getting the bugs worked out, and learning to fly her, I finally loaded up the C&D @ KSEA flight last night and did the most wonderful, completely hand flown, by-the-numbers (sort of) flight to KGEG that's ever been done in the history of FS! This thing is awesome!

Since then I added a United 80s -200 livery I had for the FS9 version and did a nostalgic flight from KGEG to KDEN which is a flight I did often in the real world (as a passenger) back in the 80's. Well actually we landed at Stapleton back then and sadly Stapleton is a suburb now, but still pretty cool. (Oh how I wish someone would do a 9-Dragons style Stapleton for FSX)

Next I think I'll find a Western livery and hit Salt Lake City on the way to somewhere, maybe Portland. From there I think I'll work my way toward Ketchikan...

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Reply #25 - Dec 5th, 2011 at 9:34pm
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Sounds like you are having fun Mr Robinson! Way to go! Yep love the 727 although I am hangered at the moment attempting to do a repaint of the 100 in the original Trans Australian Airlines colours (TAA) or white tail livery, so far not so good! And alas I must confess flying the venerable C-47 at DC-3 Airways on the latest WR2011 which is great fun. Maybe we could come up with something similar for the 727 here at Capt Sim! Cool
  
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Reply #26 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 10:25am
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im still eating dust in Australia regional airports. B727-100 is pretty solid bird. flies like on rails, lands almost everywhere. But i gotta calculate really good how much cargo i can lift from short regional runways. and try not to get lost without GPS Smiley thats a real fun.

Also i modified some checklists. I added this lines. WORKS FOR ME Smiley
Receiving aircraft: stereo.....on
Before takeoff: stereo....off
After takeoff : stereo......on
Landing: stereo......off
After landing: stereo......on

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Reply #27 - Dec 6th, 2011 at 9:34pm
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Yep best of the 727's is the 100. Find the 200 a little pitchy and twitchy by comparison. Funny but stretched version aeroplanes with a little extra oomph in the power department and longer fueselages are never as nice as the originals or really perform as well. Compare the 737-800 to the 737-200 worlds apart you could get a 737-200 into a 4000 ft dirt strip and they built them with rock/dirt deflectors on the undercarriage to stop stone ingestion into the engines. That would be a good mod for Capt Sim to come up with, once they get the VC sorted and installed.

If you want to try a nice run with a short field in and out try Darwin to Dili in Timor. 727 100 can handle it load permitting, a nice challenge for 727 drivers once you look at the runway available and temps (high 20's to 30 C), you need minimum fuel as well which also keeps you on your toes re fuel burn.
  
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Reply #28 - Dec 13th, 2011 at 4:07pm
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Anywhere the NY GIANTS are playing:)
  
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Reply #29 - Dec 14th, 2011 at 9:15am
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CoastalDriver wrote on Dec 6th, 2011 at 9:34pm:
If you want to try a nice run with a short field in and out try Darwin to Dili in Timor. 727 100 can handle it load permitting, a nice challenge for 727 drivers once you look at the runway available and temps (high 20's to 30 C), you need minimum fuel as well which also keeps you on your toes re fuel burn.
I did this flight about a week ago, it was fun. Unfortunately, there was nowhere to really park my 727-100F, so I just chose a medium or large parking ramp. I had to be almost empty to takeoff on that short runway!

Out of curiosity, do you use a Timor/Dili 3rd party add-on? Or just the default FSX Timor/Dili?

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