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Landing at Quito
Jul 20th, 2011 at 7:45pm
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Everything was going nicely and then something happened with the localizer capture. When I realized it wasn't happening I disengaged the AP and barely got it slowed enough to exit the rwy before disaster! I'll have to refly the route and see if it happens again. I don't fly strictly by the book so I know where the problem lies!

Mark or Lou (or anyone) try a flight to ITO and see how it all works for you. Bet you can do it better than this!   Grin

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Re: Landing at Quito
Reply #1 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 8:26pm
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Bruce, you only had the first notch of flaps!  Shocked

No wonder you could not slow!!!  Grin

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Re: Landing at Quito
Reply #2 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 9:43pm
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Geese, Lou! Nobody's perfect!   Embarrassed

Right now I'm level @ 300 en route to ITO from IQT (Iquitos) in the PAA 727-200. It's about 222 miles till cocktail hour.

I'll try to remember the flaps this time!  Grin

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Re: Landing at Quito
Reply #3 - Jul 20th, 2011 at 9:47pm
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I landed the 707 (Ecuatoriana livery) a few times at Quito airport (SEQU), 9,200 ft (2,800 m) above mean sea level, and I never had any kind of problem with ILS, althought it was always a very hard approach to landing because the high surrounding mountains, mainly at night and with bad weather.

I saw the video. It seems your final approach was very fast - approximately 200 knots - and you touched the runway at approximately 190 knots. I usually do it at 140 knots with full flaps. But it was a nice hard landing, despite distressed passengers. Grin
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 5:00am
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I am anxiously awaiting a video of your landing, in the CS 707, at ITO "at night and with bad weather"! Oh, btw, try it at 190kts with 5 degrees of flaps! Now that takes some skill!  Grin

For sure, I am not a great sim pilot--- just an average, and casual one at that. I play this game about every other week for about 6-8 hours and that is diminishing, while waiting for *Flight*.

Anyway, here's a little better effort with the 727.

http://vimeo.com/26706395

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Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 5:28am
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I´m with you here Brucito. The reason why I have time flying now is because I´m on holiday. Otherwise: 2 or 3 hours on a weekend now and then Sad

Probably you already know that, but here´s something which could help and what I´ve seen in your Videos what could be improved.
Whether you have a plane which captures the ILS or not: On most of the Runways around the world you have the 4 PAPI lights (Precision Approach Indicator??). Whether they are in line or in a pair of 2 depends on in which part of the world you are flying. On both of your flights, they are all white, which means that you are far too hight in your approach (4 red means that you are far too low, for the rest: Just do the math).

Since you can see them from very far away, try to get 2 red and 2 white lights. That means, that you have the correct glide path. Most of the time I end up with a rate of descent of around 500 feet/minute when I try to stay in 2 red / 2 white on approach until I touch the runway. I guess that´s the 3° Glideslope most runways are using if there are not obstacles in the way.
  
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Re: Landing at Quito
Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 1:42pm
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I must be a Flight Sim addict. Since 1pm on the 15 July 2011 until 11pm today (21 July 2011) I have flown 21 flights for a total of 56.1 hours. These are in real time, no accelerated time used. Of those flights, one was 8.3 hours, 2 were 4.7 hours, one was 10.6 hours, one was 4.1 hours, one was 6.1 hours, one was 4.6 hours and the rest were between 0.3 hours up to 2.2 hours. Shocked

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Re: Landing at Quito
Reply #7 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 2:35pm
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Mark,

In the past in the real world I would fly N.Y. to Cairo which took 12 to 14 hours. Now with FSX I take off from N.Y. to Cairo and when I get to cruise altitude I put it on the autopilot in LNAV and go to bed.

Next morning after crew rest and breakfast I get back in the cockpit and get ready for the descent.  Grin

Hey, that is the way it really works!   Tongue



As for the PAPI ( Precision Approach Path Indicator )



For a non jumbo - 2 RED 2 WHITE, for a jumbo, 1 RED 3 WHITE is what you shoot for.

Or the VASI ( Visual Approach Slope Indicator )



VASI, it's RED over WHITE for non jumbo, and PINK over WHITE for the big boys.

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Re: Landing at Quito
Reply #8 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 2:56pm
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Hey, buedi, I use the VASI or PAPI lights religiously(rwy 4 at JFK doesn't have them for some odd reason). It seems at ITO they switch all of a sudden to 4 white and suddenly you're too high at the rwy threshold. I think weird things happen at ITO! First ATC practically runs you into that snow covered mountain. Then they clear you from 20000 down to 12000 and vector you to intercept the ILS. You have to descend rapidly which makes it hard to slow down and watch the flap speeds. Then I missed the localizer on the first attempt. Of course piloting has something to do with all that--- no doubt! But that's what makes it fun too! Am going to try Iquitos to Quito in the default 737-800 and see what gives.

Mark --- You are INDEED a sim junkie!! Between all the sim time and CS Forum time you can't possibly be still working! Try this Quito approach from Iquitos, Peru. It's under 400 miles. I'm going to try it one more time in the 707 and also with the default 737. (have to stay off the bike for a few days--- gas is $3.70 a gallon)

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Reply #9 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 3:06pm
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Lou-- I didn't know there was a difference between VASI and PAPI?? Does FS model both?? I don't remember seeing anything but that which you call PAPI(all in a row).?

As I mentioned above I seem to recall rwy 4 at JFK doesn't seem to have any lights in FSX. I have experienced that at a couple major airports which surprises me.

Btw, I downloaded paint.net and still can't figure out how you do the circles and squares with arrows on the pictures. What's the secret?

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Reply #10 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 3:22pm
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Bruce,

Most runways that have a full CAT-II or III approach with the full ALSF-II lighting do not have VASI or PAPI since you are assumed to be flying an ILS and not a visual. I believe FSX models both, but I don't remember.



You need to try this approach...



Don't go on line and look for ATC, just fly this approach into Quito in a 747. Let me know how you make out...  Wink



As for PaintNet, just push the various menu buttons and you will find all kinds of stuff.



The various tools are in the TOOL menu drop down. When you select a certain tool the part to the right on the menu bar changes to let you make other selections such as size, etc.  Look under the Window drop down to find color selection.








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Re: Landing at Quito
Reply #11 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 3:35pm
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Oh, Lord! Lou, you're going to get me kilt! I'll let you know --- if I'm still alive! I'd post a video, but CS doesn't want anything but their stuff on here, which I understand.

Regards paint-- I pushed every tool icon and looked at every single feature for about an hour and still couldn't figure it out. (and you wonder why I don't do VOR to VOR or use the ADF?)  Grin

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Reply #12 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 4:45pm
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Simple...

Bitters
Several oz of Bourbon
Some Sweet vermouth
Shake with ice & add cherry...

After you try to land at Quito in the mission section.
  

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Reply #13 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 5:19pm
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No way in hell, Lou!! Just tried that mission 3 times and there is something not right! You're only 14 miles from the airport at 17000 and 220kias (flaps 10 in a nose up position) to start the mission. I immediately went to flaps 20. ATC says right to 150(which does not put you in the proper position for landing), reduce speed to 210 and down to 12000. Descending @ 2000 fpm I'm at 14000 and practically parallel with the rwy. Tried it 3 times ---it ain't going to happen!?? What's the deal? I'm thinking now that maybe it's supposed to be a go around type thing?? They do tell you to turn to 350 after you are well past the airpatch. But at that point I scrub the mission! Done!

Man, It's 1100 here and I'm ready for that dark amber thingy with the cherry already!!   Smiley

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Reply #14 - Jul 21st, 2011 at 6:55pm
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Thanks Lou for that lesson. I did not know, that you go for 3 white in a big bird.
And I´m pretty sure that FSX models both, PAPI and VASI. I think I saw VASI somewhere in Australia in FSX and I think it was an option when I created the Runway for my modified EDJA Airport many moons ago.

But as far as I recognize, FSX does not model the pink colour in the VASI... only Red and White like you have it at the PAPIs.
  
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