I have Ansett Airlines and TAA (Trans Australian Airways) repaints and I mostly fly from Melbourne - Adelaide/Sydney/Brisbane/Canberra/Alice Springs/Darwin.

I did a return trip Melbourne - Adelaide - Melbourne back in about '83 with TAA. And I think that was the only time I've been on a 727.

Mark

LOU wrote on Apr 16^th, 2011 at 5:18pm:


I just did a flight from KEWR to KDCA.  Using High Alt Airways with the FSX flight planner, I got FL180.  Does that sound right?   The FSX ATC gave me vectors for visual 15.  That was cool.  I nailed it. 

So what is the River approach?  Is there a chart that is downloadable?

Give the River Visual to KDCA a try....
http://www.fltplan.com/AwDisplayAppChart.exe?CRN10=1&CARRYUNAME=PILOT&DEPTARPT=K...

In the FMS planes this is too easy, but in a manly    plane you need to make all the crossings.
Lou

i personally base my flight routes on payware airport addons, in the past year i bought around 20 airports accross europe like EDDF, LKGOS, LPFR, DTMB etc.

My main hub is EDDF and from their i created some routes towards all my other payware airport destinations with a self painted CS727 and CS707 (all cargo flights) depending on airport size

I have combined it with a small program FSCaptain (like fspassengers) to give a bit more touch

currently i'm saving some money to expand AES to get more live on the airports based around my aircraft (get a follow car after landing and stuff) very neat. 

That is true, but the river is the only dark ribbon around, so you just stay in the middle. This is one of the most fun approaches to do in the 727 or the 757. One evening many years ago, I was flying the river visual just at dark. It was the 4 of July. As we turned past the Watergate Hotel, the sky erupted in the most amazing display of fireworks I have ever seen. What a show! 

Lou

The DCA river approach is easy.
Start outside the DCA dme (111.0) and cross the 10 dme at 3,000ft over the river. Start your decent there. Multiply the dme x 3 and that will be the desired altitude all the way down. Be sure to stay over the river all the time. There is a quick jog to the left and then the right at 500ft to remain over the water. Don't miss that or you might get a phone call from your chief pilot who had a call from the FAA. Maybe not, but the people on the ground appreciate it. Besides, It's a fun approach.
















Start outside the 10 dme of DCA vor over the river and cross the 10 dme at 3,000 ft.
Multiply the dme distance times 3 all the way down and it will work just right.

Sounds good, audiohavoc, really worth a try to do it the old way, which is the new way if you're used to FMCs. 

Just took my 727-100 from KDCA to KIAH on VATSIM for another awesome flight.  I flew over a rather large thunderstorm over Tennessee and Arkansas, and there was quite the lighting show.  I flew the entire DAISETTA8 STAR to IAH (thanks to Navigraph chart software), but no APP or CTR was online, so I had to manually vector myself to the DUCOZ IAP for runway 15R.  Everyone who isn't navigating this aircraft the old school way is really missing out on a fun learning experience.  I am going to take the MD-11F for a spin tonight (FedEx Virtual Cargo) so I can enjoy some "easy" navigation for a change.

audiohavoc - you flew the 727-100 from KLAX toKDCA... musta been flying on fumes the last few 100 miles, or you had a good tail wind.

David, Try the Parkway Visual to 13 L/R at KJFK. Bring the vis down to 3 miles or so and look for the lead-in lights that flash along the parkway.
This approach was easy and fun in the 727 or the 757, but the 747 made it a bit more interesting when the vis was around 3 miles and the wind howling out of the south at 25 kts. (normal summer day at JFK)

One summer afternoon we were all lined up for take off on 13R (14,600'). There must have been 30 or 40 planes. SWAP was in effect. (Severe Weather Avoidance Procedures). Thunderstorms on a summer afternoon in New York - NORMAL! Here comes Аэрофлот (Aeroflot) in a big wide body plane, and they are put on the Parkway visual, which was then called the Canarsie Approach - named after a place in Brooklyn. The weather is typical summer in JKF. Sea breeze off the Atlantic, blowing strong - with salt air. Visibility around 3 miles in haze. Summer in the City! The string of planes lined up on this approach goes forever. The Aeroflot boyz are having a heck of a time finding the runway and they have to go around. Normally a go around is not a big deal, but with the string of traffic at rush hour in New York - forgetaboutit! So the poor controller makes a space in the line and fits them in for another approach. Oh no! they miss again! Of course we are all listening on the tower and laughing, but feeling their pain. Back in line they go and try again. This time after much help from the local controller using his bright display radar to keep the Ruski on course he turns final and calls "Runway in sight"... a few seconds later on the tower frequency the Aeroflot pilots tells the tower "This approach is for the SH#TS!

Everybody broke out in laughter because we knew he was right!  

LOU wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 1:06am:


Awesome. 

For this approach, are the lead-in lights modeled in FSX?  I am not seeing them.  I decided to try this in the Cessna first, just to see how the approach works in FSX.  I can follow the parkway from rockaway point all the way in, but I don't see the lights.

audiohavoc wrote on Apr 22^nd, 2011 at 9:18pm:


Thanks for the link.  I see that the person who made the video is running addon scenery for this airport.  I have tried both dusk and night and I am still not seeing the lead-in lights.  I have my scenery density set all the way to the right.   

Can anyone confirm if these lights are shown in default FSX scenery for the JFK area?

I found an AFCAD file that gives you the lead-in lights for FSX.  It is at flightsim.com by the name of afx_kjfk.zip.  Or just search FSX files for "canarsie" and you'll find it.   Works great!  I flew the approach about 10 times yesterday, getting better and better at it.  So far I've only gone down to 5 mile visibility.   13L is fairly easy.  13R is a little trickier, but I can do it a lot smoother than the guy in that youtube vid.

LOU wrote on Apr 24^th, 2011 at 6:38pm:



You put in the addon scenery/scenery folder.  That's it.  As far as I can tell, the lights only show up in dawn, dusk, or night mode.  With visibilty set to 5 miles, I see them just about when I pass over the vor at around 1600 feet.

Dave,

Thanks for the direction. They look just like the real thing!  



As you can see this screen capture was taken at 600 feet on the last part of the Parkway Visual to RW 13L at KJFK.
I point out the roads because they were all used as landmarks during the approach.
I have the visibility set at 2 miles, you needed three to fly the approach.
I call your attention to the hotel, just under the last lead-in set of lights.
One evening, many years back, someone left tire tracks across the roof of the hotel, taking out a few TV antennas and a roof vent.  
I don't think anyone ever fessed up to doing that.

Lou

13L was almost always the landing runway since 13R - the long runway, 14,600'- was used for takeoff.

The trick is to just follow the parkway around.

In the fancy plane, the one with FMS, all you had to do was define the end point of the runway and use the 300 feet per mile rule. The problem in real life is that JFK gets scud (low clouds and fog) in the afternoon so even if the tower vis was 3 miles or so the areas on the approach could have some low clouds mixed in. This was a real fun approach in the 727 and 707. The Glass planes (sissy) made it very easy.

Another fun approach was the Expressway Visual to RW 31 at KLGA. No lights for help here, but you passed on from brave to brave little check points to make the approach go better. This was great fun in the 727, but really fun in the 767 or I'm told the 1011!

Another fun approach is the dual ILS/Visuals to runway 28L/R in KSFO. The runways are only a few hundred feet apart and you would often have two good size planes doing the approach at the same time. They would stagger the planes just a bit and admonish you not to pass the other plane. This was fun with a 747 and 767-300 at the same time. http://www.fltplan.com/AwDisplayAppChart.exe?CRN10=1&CARRYUNAME=PILOT&DEPTARPT=K...

Well, I fly the Old Pan-Am liveries, and sometimes the Delta livery on the -200.

I usually will take it where ever it will go, but you'll see me alot down in Kingston, Jamaica, - MKJP, St. Maarten, Netherlands Antilles (spelling done with no help! Don't bash me!) TNCM, and around there, as well as Grenada. It's a great sight seeing plane!

My 727 flies all over the U.S, mostly over Hawaii and Florida.

Like Lou just about everywhere I can but as I am Aussie based I have done a lot of trips around Australia and the Pacific, although between Pacific Islands needs a little thought about runway lengths and fuel requirements. Longest run has been Seattle Washington to Brisbane Australia.

David Paul wrote on May 7^th, 2011 at 10:37pm:

Only a bit, but not in the field, bureaucrazy and is surreal  

Bruce,

Good to have you back on the forums!
Nice video of the 727 into ORD.
Hope the Manhattan's are nice and cold! 

Lou

Hi Lou!!!

Hah! You remembered the Manhattan Approach!! By doggies, I think tonight's the night too!  

I was catching up on your posts a while ago. You're definitely still the go to guy here. You and Mark that is. Delta Dog is still around, and it seems there are a couple other real deal 727 guys as well.

I had the 100 working pretty darn good and tracking the glide-slope nicely back then and all of a sudden things went haywire. I finally gave up and went to the another company 757. Couldn't stay away from the CS 727s though so now I've been back on them quite a bit, but I have to use my yoke trim toggle all the way down to the runway. The Localizer works fine though. I suppose I could hand fly it, but that gets ugly!

I still haven't learned the VOR to VOR stuff, so I just let the default ATC get me where I'm going. As Mark said earlier they can be pretty frustrating at times though. I liked you're comment on how you use it too ---- something like *radar services terminated ---- squawk such and such!

Cheers to you!

Bruce

PS - I'm looking for a house in central PA---- would that be State College?  

@ David ---- thanks!!

Yes, that IS God's Country!! I've ridden my motorcycle from Gettysburg to York to Lancaster and around that area a couple times when I lived in Vienna, VA in the mid 80s (right after Frontier Horizon). Beautiful!!

The Harrisburg Police have nothing to worry about. My wife will never leave Denver again! Two kids and two grand kids here!

I see by the clock that it is cocktail hour there ---- salute!

Hey, Mark -

Ease up on the Manhattans!

I'm not a real pilot, and, truth be known, YOU actually know a heck of a lot more about this piloting stuff than I do! I'm pretty much seat of the pants! You are THE heavy lifter here in these forums, and guys like Lou, Jet Pilot and Delta Dog provide the real world experience and the wonderful tales that feed our dreams and send us to bed at night with visions of flying the *River Approach* at DCA and the *Carnisie Approach* at JFK in the summer heat! Priceless!

I really think you folks have a very significant role in the success of the CS products!

Hmm, on second thought, maybe I should ease up on the Manhattans!  

Bruce

Hey Lou----

Check out my just now posted topic on the 707 forum on the Fall Pan Am TV pilot!

Bruce

A Bloody Manhattan??!! Interesting concept! More sweet vermouth and cherry juice I assume!!