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Re: Yet anothe Fuel thread.
Reply #15 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 9:14pm
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CoolIP you do realize this is just a game and right?  So if I fuel dump you do realize that fuel wont actually dump on people's head right?  Cool we have that straight.  Mark you ask why I "would use the "manual" addition or reduction of the aircraft's fuel via the FSX menus in-flight on a regular basis".  Mark, have you ever gone out in a military plane and lets say.....did a 12 hour patrol flight over Afhganistan?  Mabie you dropped all your bombs and your headed home and your a little fuel heavy and your add-on plane doesn't have a in vc fuel-dump feature.  Guess what, that's when I use it.  I don't ALWAYS use it but sometimes when needed I do.  Look, what we are talking about here is simple, being able to takeoff or land with the fuel amount you select without the engines dying or all of your planes avionics turning off.  Either by using fuel-dump or by figureing out exactly how much fuel will be needed which I admit I'm not good at.  So this plane and the B-52 are either fly them witht the complicated(although realistic) fuel systems or switch on "unlimeted fuel" option(please you must be joking lol).  There is no in between.  I mean isn't there 3-4 other pilot's with different jobs that help manage things like fuel.  I mean for example:  I'm doing a bombing run in the B-52 after a 3-4 hour flight and as I desend to 5,000ft. and level out, bomb bay doors open, drop bombs lift up and turn and OH CRAP!!, I forgot to turn off the Fuel Valve for tank 3 and now I'm a falling brick. All I'm asking is to at least give these planes an option to be more fuel forgiving like the C-130 instead of making me do the job of 3-4.  I want to fly, not be a fuel management officer.
  
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Re: Yet anothe Fuel thread.
Reply #16 - Mar 14th, 2011 at 11:23pm
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crashbar, from your last post, I must admit that I'm having problems catching your attitude and you, obviously, couldn't catch mine (including the humor).
That's not a big problem though, but I really suggest to post B-52 "problems" in the corresponding section of the forums, take the C-130 ones to the right place too. Thanks.  Smiley

Yes, the engine failure when using the sim menus to "refuel" inflight can be odd, no doubt there. But this isn't the way the thing is supposed to be used, so lets concentrate on a working dump function (the current one proved to be buggy, as you saw, so it went on the bug list) and leave out all the more or less "interesting" explanations why it is so logical to menu-refuel when actually flying.
Nice stories about bombing runs though.

The game you are talking about is actually a simulator, so the arcade style might lack a bit of depth while the simulation therefore seems better, even on the "Fun" products. It stills stays a game of course.
Don't worry, I don't call my girlfriend flight attendant or have installed seatbelts on my chair, but I'm aware that some things got modelled by e. g. Captain Sim, so one should be aware of using them in the intended way. Remember? Simulator. People actually pay for the things to be somehow close to real (in the limitations of a PC sim).

Otherwise, that unlimited fuel option still stays a tip and gives you some very long bombing runs while filling your plane with only some fuel (before engine start!), which does actually get consumed, but won't influence your running engines. So dry tanks don't happen anymore.
Isn't that a neat thing on a sim?  Wink

So it is completely up to you, to decide about whether to be angry about the fuel management and the sim aspect of the planes, or to realize that either the manuals and some planning (or that mentioned FSX option) are the only two things to help you out of this. Rants of some kind usually don't work out well or constructive.

I think that CS will surely look into the fuel dump operation since this is an aspect a simulated bird should offer in the right way, no question. I also think that a fix for that fuel menu isn't a big deal for them, so maybe this "bug" gets addressed too.
But hey, reading some (included) docs in the meantime can't be a bad idea, don't you think?
  
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Re: Yet anothe Fuel thread.
Reply #17 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 6:32pm
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CoolP,

Fuel dumping in the real world was not without risk. It was an emergency procedure.
There is another way to get rid of some fuel it you're too heavy for landing.
We would deploy the spoilers and/or even drop the gear to increase fuel burn.  Cool

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Reply #18 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 7:35pm
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I know and since they've dropped the certification need for any fuel dump devices on smaller airliners (better: the ones that fit into the FAA requirements for not installing such devices), those "high fuel burn flights" can take really long.
JetBlue Airways Flight 292 can tell a story about this.
They also can tell how to land with the nosegear being "crossed". From my humble point of knowledge, a nice landing indeed.
Wikepedia on it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JetBlue_Airways_Flight_292
Video http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HyBjwI7aps

Maybe you are surprised, but the wrong thinking, that airliners drop their fuel before every landing, is very wide spread among not so aviation related or interested people.
If I would ask my circle of friends, I would surely find quite a few stating this.

So, always prepar your flights (this could mean to clean the windows, like this Captain! does http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bry793viWig) and make sure to only eat up runways, not Baggage Carts like this 747 did (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s85nMntRzvk).  Grin

Seems like the Captain gets rid of that rain repellent you once spoke of, Lou. But I would really like to know the story behind this "object" in the 747's engines there.
Looks like big fun for all people involved.
What? Off topic? Ok, you've got me there.  Tongue
  
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Re: Yet anothe Fuel thread.
Reply #19 - Mar 15th, 2011 at 9:20pm
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CoolP, I used to clean my own windows too. No big deal!
Could not clean the 747 window.  Tongue

As for the baggage bin, I saw just this thing happen at KMIA. We were taxing out for takeoff and there was a DC-10 cargo plane off to our left in the cargo area taxing in to park. I guess he gave it a bit too much power as he neared the parking spot, or maybe the bins were too close. In any event he sucked the tarp off the bag cart into the #1 engine. The whole plane jumped as the engine stopped right now.

Are we not on topic?  Grin  Fuel is still involved in some way.
  

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fuel: how to manage it
Reply #20 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 8:02pm
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hallo.
fuel it's really a mess!!!
where can i read how to fill propely tanks? i'm always go out of fuel, and there's no way to close empy tanks.....so the plane sinks..... Sad
I only can fly with  fully loaded tanks.....but it's not so realistic.
  

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Re: fuel: how to manage it
Reply #21 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 9:02pm
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lucatrader,

Read the manual! Page 36 of the ops manual part III spells it all out.

After you look at the manual, if you still need help, one of us will try to help.  Smiley

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Reply #22 - Aug 16th, 2011 at 9:20pm
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Lou is right, those manuals really await you, lucatrader. I even heard them asking for you.  Cool

But the forum search would have shown quite some fuel threads too, so you may also take a look into this one, with excerpts from the fine manuals. http://www.captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1299898971
  
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