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Reply #465 - Aug 31st, 2011 at 9:52pm
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LOU wrote on Aug 31st, 2011 at 8:31pm:
CoolP, my take is that flying a plane is more art than science.


Needle, ball, and airspeed, everything else is just window dressing Smiley

Thats why I want to see grey hair in the cockpit when Im in the back!
  

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Reply #466 - Sep 1st, 2011 at 12:10am
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JayG wrote on Aug 31st, 2011 at 9:52pm:
LOU wrote on Aug 31st, 2011 at 8:31pm:
CoolP, my take is that flying a plane is more art than science.


Needle, ball, and airspeed, everything else is just window dressing Smiley

Thats why I want to see grey hair in the cockpit when Im in the back!

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Reply #467 - Sep 1st, 2011 at 1:35am
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Not too much grey hair; you want just enough without making the guy look as if he's past the age limit of 65 by 15 years. Gosh, some people don't age well....
  

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Reply #468 - Sep 2nd, 2011 at 1:04pm
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LOU wrote on Aug 31st, 2011 at 8:31pm:
Case in point - the Air France Airbus that was lost off the coast of South America. I know that all hell broke loose and things were not making a lot of sense, but if the pilot just placed the nose on the horizon and set a power setting like cruise, the plane would most likely fly.

Oh, I think that case will go around for some more time, but you are right, when reading that official part on e. g. the attitude at one spot (they've recorded 35 degrees pitch up or so) one begins to wonder. BUT, one always wonders about crash reports since, normally, this stuff isn't supposed to happen.
That old but true talk about a chain of events leading to crashes once again showed how valid it is and it's more than truck load of work to get to every part of that chain in detail.

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As for the lean training, it's all about money!

I think our statements absolutely concur there, Lou.
Another cynical quote from an unknown author regarding transportation safety. 'As long as the price for a lost life exceeds the costs for safety training and equipment, the industry will be somehow safe.'
So, lets keep the price for a human being's life up, otherwise the economist take over completely.  Smiley

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No more teaching systems, because there was nothing you could do to fix the darn thing anyway

True once more, Lou. And lets not forget that nowadays commercial flying involves technologies where it would take two professor's minds to just explain how some sensors on that fancy plane work in detail.
Quantum Mechanics isn't a pilot's business and it also isn't one of every engineer on the plane for example.
So, some parts of the actual eduction limits are a matter of fact. If we would still fly the DC-3s this may be different, but to e. g. explain how a head up display is able to align the lines you see to the rw outside maybe takes longer than the whole engine part of the DC-3.

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Want to try explaining the northerly turning error?

No, but let me give you an answer why.
I imagine that it's not interesting for people to follow my explanations on items which one can look up with Google or something. The interesting part would be to hear from an experienced pilot like you why this may be important to know for pilots. It's all about the stories again and your speech is able to transport the relevance of such items, while mine just is some smart ass talk.

As you saw my writing before, on a commercial plane we may indeed end up with 'not important, because it's darn unlikely that you have to rely on the magnet compass and must know that e. g. flying East and accelerating will turn the thing into a more northerly heading for the time the acceleration forces influence it, the opposite happens when deceleration affects the plane'.
Please correct me of course, I'm the layman in this noble circle, that's for sure.
By the way, I never realized this detail in FSX, your hint brought me to it. So 'undershoot North' actually has a relevance in my non-gyro plane now.


And, Lou or Jay or anybody else. lets not forget this one.
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The elephants start marching on the wings

For I think stall buffet. Are there more of such funny descriptions?

Of course, the barber's pole, coffin's corner and such things are known, but there must be more.  Shocked
Lou had some good ideas there with the noodle and the cement block or the various names for their 727 'pigs'.
  
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Reply #469 - Sep 2nd, 2011 at 3:25pm
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CoolP, don't forget the "rubber jungle." I've seen that more than once!  Embarrassed

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Reply #470 - Sep 2nd, 2011 at 4:39pm
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What's that? Inefficient flight controls because of too low airspeed?
  
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Reply #471 - Sep 2nd, 2011 at 4:59pm
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And then theres..... True Virgins Make Dull Company Smiley
  

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Reply #472 - Sep 2nd, 2011 at 8:17pm
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Here is a look at the "RUBBER JUNGLE."

It is a very wonderful site - if it happens to some other pilot!  Grin

Schadenfreude of the highest order!

As a line instructor I had a few students land firm enough to create the jungle.  Shocked

One time - a long time ago - I was a brand new F/O. We were flying into KLGA in a 727-100 QC.
The QC was not like the regular 727-100 since it had the special "magic carpet" roller floor for cargo.
This was set-up as a passenger plane, but they were much heavier than the regular 727.
We were cleared for the ILS to RW 04, circle to RW 31. As I flew the approach all was normal.
On final for RW 31 all looked fine. As we crossed the threshold of the runway all was still good.
At about five feet in the air during the flare, I closed the throttles.  Shocked The plane landed RIGHT NOW!
BaBoom! Rubber Jungle!!! The Captain made me stand at the cockpit door and take credit for the landing!
I can tell you I never did that again. The 727 was one of the hardest landing planes anyway, but I found a way to make it even more impressive.  Roll Eyes



Not only did I catch hell from the passengers, the Captain and Flight Attendants,
but the mechanics who had the joy of re-packing the masks made sure I would not forget.
As I was standing at the cockpit door one old lady stopped and asked
- "Hey Sonny, did we land or were we shot down?" Every body is a comedian.  Embarrassed

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Reply #473 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 9:08am
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Haha, the rubber jungle. Makes perfect sense of course. So the passengers and you will remember that flight.
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I closed the throttles.  Shocked The plane landed RIGHT NOW!

Oops, sounds like one of my sim landings. Have to practice now.  Undecided

Lou, another question for you. How sensible were those J8 cigar engine thingies to compressor stalls on the takeoff run? Tough task or easy to handle?
And, maybe related tu such things, we spoke about young FOs here and there but are there any young FE stories too?
  
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Reply #474 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 12:14pm
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CoolP, I'm sure Lou has a great story, but just gotta mention, every flight attendant knows it must be the FE's third flight (not second or first) because she can't get the door open no matter how hard he tries; the FE always forgets to depressurize, but it doesn't usually happen the first time!
  

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Reply #475 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 3:06pm
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At TWA, we never had that problem  Tongue

TWA planes had a ground venturi switch which was nothing more than a fan that pulled the outflow valves open. This made pressurizing or de-pressurizing a lot smoother. Most F/A's could still open the door, but the pressure bump was nasty to the ears. After a few years of flying, most of the planes leaked enough that at idle thrust there would not be enough differential to inhibit the door from being opened.

CoolP - J8 cigar engine - ??? Are you talking about the JT8D P & W turbojet engine?

F/E stories, oh yes I've got a few of those too. I can't tell you all the stories at once.  Wink

Here is a quick story about the life of the poor F/E.

I was a very new F/E on the 727. I was 22 years old. One morning, the "A" flight attendant came to the cockpit during pre-flight to take out coffee orders. She asked the captain and then the F/O what they would like, then she turned to me and laughed and said - "I'm gonna breast feed this little boy!" Of course I looked like this -  Embarrassed - and the other two laughed til they cried.

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Reply #476 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 3:49pm
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What a nice welcome on board, huh? I'd have said that I'm the one enabling her galley power or .. would have professionally stressed that, after the ckecklists, I may get back to her.  Cool Who needs coffee anyway?
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CoolP - J8 cigar engine - ??? Are you talking about the JT8D P & W turbojet engine?

Exactly, the thing which produces noise first and some thrust as a side effect. Easy to handle on fast power changes?
  
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Reply #477 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 7:36pm
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The JT8D-xx was pretty much state-of-the-art in the sixties.

It was a fan by-pass with very good reliability. The engine, when all the
surge bleed valves were set properly was not too bad when it came to
spin-up time. The JT9 which came a bit later was a high by-pass fan.
The early models had some problems with high EGT spikes when
coming out of reverse. That was solved by not reversing the rear
part of the engine and only reversing the fan section. The larger
problem with the JT9's was some surging and a thing called fan rub.
All the problems were solved in time and the engine became pretty steady.

Here is a photo of a former TWA 767-200 with the P&W JT-9D 7R4D engine.


Here is a look at the 7R4D in section.


The Diffuser is the area of the engine with the highest pressure. The burner cans are just aft of this area.

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Reply #478 - Sep 3rd, 2011 at 9:29pm
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Who wants to tell me what this device is, and what it does?



This is an easy one !  Roll Eyes

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Reply #479 - Sep 4th, 2011 at 5:45am
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It overrides the latch which prevents the raising of the gear handle in certain gear malfunctions. Squeeze the trigger and raise the handle. At least some of the gear will retract. Sincerely, Dave C. in West Virginia.
  
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