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Stand-alone radar same as included one?
Jun 30th, 2010 at 5:19pm
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Is the stand-alone CS weather radar the same as the ones included in the FSX 727, 757, and 767?  I.E. if I buy any or all of these planes, can I use the included CS weather radar in other FSX planes as well, or would I still need the stand-alone radar for that?
  
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Re: Stand-alone radar same as included one?
Reply #1 - Jun 30th, 2010 at 5:28pm
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The one included in the 727 is very close to the same as this one and includes the 2D Weather Radar Panel as well. The ones in the 757 and 767 are only the weather screen displayed on the Horizontal Situation Indicator (HSI).

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Reply #2 - Jun 30th, 2010 at 8:35pm
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Thanks.  But I'm not so much interested in the appearance, but rather the possibility to use the included weather radars in non-CS aircraft.
Do you know if that's possible, or would I need to get the stand-alone version for that?
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 1st, 2010 at 1:09am
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If that is what you are wanting to do, then I highly recommend that you buy the stand alone CS Weather Radar.

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Re: Stand-alone radar same as included one?
Reply #4 - Jul 1st, 2010 at 1:44pm
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Mark you are right. The radar included into our products cannot be used in other aircraft, only standalone version can.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 1st, 2010 at 4:49pm
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OK -- thanks a lot to both of you!
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 2:37pm
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Mark you are right. The radar included into our products cannot be used in other aircraft, only standalone version can.


Hmm. Not so sure about that. Copied the CS721 WX into this freeware King Air and looks pretty nice!
  

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Re: Stand-alone radar same as included one?
Reply #7 - Aug 22nd, 2011 at 4:26pm
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expat wrote on Aug 22nd, 2011 at 2:37pm:
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Mark you are right. The radar included into our products cannot be used in other aircraft, only standalone version can.


Hmm. Not so sure about that. Copied the CS721 WX into this freeware King Air and looks pretty nice!

I think you will find that Captain Sim mean you are not supposed to do that. Not so much the fact that you cannot actually do it.
Just be aware that you might be breaking the EULA of the 727 Base Pack, that you accepted before installing, by doing that. Wink

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Reply #8 - Aug 23rd, 2011 at 9:34am
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you are not supposed to do that


Apologies to the management.  Have commented the gauge out and replaced with a GNS530 unit . .
  
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Reply #9 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 9:37am
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Hmmm and if i purchase the Weather Radar, the standalone version, can that be mixed into any cockpit?

I mean, is it possible to get it to overlay into an existing panel or will it only work as a popup?

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Reply #10 - Aug 25th, 2011 at 1:29pm
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As far as I know you can.

The only VC I have added mine to is the CLS MD-81/82/87. But they provided a place in the VC to put it and included instructions on how to do it. So it was very easy.

For the rest of my aircraft that I have added it to, I just use the 2D Panel.

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Reply #11 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 10:20am
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I see... I was thinking more of an overlay into an already existing PFD (transparent or something), but unless there is an option to do that with the radar, it won't be possible for sure.
  
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Reply #12 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 1:39pm
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NaMcO wrote on Sep 23rd, 2011 at 10:20am:
I see... I was thinking more of an overlay into an already existing PFD (transparent or something), but unless there is an option to do that with the radar, it won't be possible for sure.

I don't think you can have it as a transparent overlay on a PFD. It would either be behind it, so you can't see it, or over the top of it, so you can't see the PFD. Sad
  

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Reply #13 - Sep 23rd, 2011 at 7:54pm
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Yeah, that would be TOO cool  Grin

Thanks Markoz!  Wink
  
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Reply #14 - Jan 11th, 2012 at 6:37pm
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Reply #15 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 1:57am
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How did you add it? When you turn the CS Weather Radar OFF, is the rest of PDF? Or did you shrink the PDF and place the WxR in the upper section of the gauge?

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Reply #16 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 1:31pm
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FS Panel Studio and it was in the selections of my gauges.  I placed the WRX gauge into a virtual display location replacing what was originally there.  I then added the CS WX Radar to my instrument window and it is brought up with shift+6.

I tweaked the Area 51 C-5 with anything that was in my Gauge folder to make it look better.  Combination of Area51, ISG, CRJ, 737, C17, Beach Baron, CLS and CS.  All these years of buying these planes puts alot of gauges on FSX.


Been working on panel upgrades to my CS C-130J variant as well, I have figured out for the most part how to change the VC panel view, and add the gauges namely the ISG EFS50 EADI and EHSI however there is a shadow I need to find that has the location of the original instruments for the lighting to block where light should not be.

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Some of them are even FS9 guages

[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=GPS
Window02=EFIS CTRL
Window03=GNSXLS
Window04=CMU
Window05=Smith FMS
Window06=CS Weather Radar
Window07=Runway Info

[Vcockpit02]
file=$vc2.bmp
Background_color=0,0,0
size_mm=1024,1024
visible=1
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$vc2

gauge00=Beech_Baron!Vertical Speed Indicator,  359,711,327,321
gauge01=WXR!wr_display,  11,5,498,351
gauge02=isg1!P1000_MFD_NB,  17,375,478,368
gauge03=ISG1_TCAS!Logic,  137,529,20,20
gauge04=C-17!EICAS Display,  518,3,497,502
gauge05=C-17-1!ENGINE LIGHTS,  512,503,501,168
gauge06=C-17-2!FLAPS,  35,711,330,329
gauge07=VUSN!oat,  695,706,319,319
  

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Reply #17 - Jan 12th, 2012 at 1:50pm
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Some key programs to get:   FS Panel Studio / DXTBmp / Paint.net

With these you can view /change/edit textures, panels and screens.  Then alot of trial and error till you figure out where things are located on the panel versus texture.

FS Panel Studio is a payware but the other two are freeware off the net, just google them.


Then just remember when editing textures in FSX, they are inverted and 180 degree flipped.  And always always always make a copy of your original texture / panel folder before you modify anything incase you make a mistake you can restore to the way it was.
  

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Re: Stand-alone radar same as included one?
Reply #18 - Jan 13th, 2012 at 1:33am
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Don-P1126 wrote on Jan 12th, 2012 at 1:50pm:
Some key programs to get:   FS Panel Studio / DXTBmp / Paint.net

With these you can view /change/edit textures, panels and screens.  Then alot of trial and error till you figure out where things are located on the panel versus texture.

FS Panel Studio is a payware but the other two are freeware off the net, just google them.


Then just remember when editing textures in FSX, they are inverted and 180 degree flipped.  And always always always make a copy of your original texture / panel folder before you modify anything incase you make a mistake you can restore to the way it was.

I have had FS Panel Studio and DXTBmp since 2005. I don't have Paint.net though. I have heard about it, but never tried it (at least I don't think I have).

Going back to what you have done, my question was whether the WXR was over the top of a gauge so that when the WXR was turned off, you could see another gauge/instrument beneath it. I'm only asking because NaMcO was talking about placing it over the top of another instrument, so that when the WXR was off, the gauge underneat was visible (the WXR being transparent when turned off).

With most aircraft, it is possible to replace a gauge/instrument. The ones that you can't, are ones that use 3D gauges that are created in the model (MDL file) itself.

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Reply #19 - Jan 17th, 2012 at 12:52am
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I deleted the generic gauge Area 51 had in there and put the CS WXR.DLL in the top portion of that VC window and then added another gauge to the bottom of that same window to make it look no so bare.  2D is very easy to change things around, but the VC you have to have an existing window then delete what was there and add the new ones. 


  

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Reply #20 - Feb 13th, 2012 at 10:07pm
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I meant the weather graphics showing INSIDE the ND display, just like on the 757 and 767 radars.
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 1:19pm
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No. They don't. If there is already a gauge in the location of the VC that you add the WxR, then either the WxR or the original gauge will be displayed. Not both, and not the WxR displaying in the ND. It is a case of either the WXR or the gauge that is already in that position in the VC. Sad

The weather Radar for the 757 and 767 is built into the Horizontal Situation Indicator (HSI) Display and so when it is running, you can still see the rest of the workings of the HSI.

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Reply #22 - Feb 14th, 2012 at 7:01pm
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NaMcO wrote on Feb 13th, 2012 at 10:07pm:
I meant the weather graphics showing INSIDE the ND display, just like on the 757 and 767 radars.


Dof, i forgot to quote now my reply is completely misplaced  Grin Grin Grin

Anyway, now i know i cannot add the radar inside the ND and that the radar doesn't have a frame in VC mode, i purchased it  Tongue

This is the only thing that's missing in my opinion, a VC frame so we can add it to any other aircraft's VCs. This and the possibility to change the frame's colour so that it fits any panel  *hint* *hint* Cheesy
  
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Reply #23 - Feb 15th, 2012 at 1:27am
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I have tried adding the WxR into the VC of a few add-on aircraft I have, but I only got the weather display screen visible in it because of no "frame" to be added. Most add-on aircraft don't really have the room to put it anyway, so it won't help if that is the case. At the moment, I have not redone it since reinstalling FSX late last year. I'm too lazy. The 2D gauge works fine enough to syop my efforts of a VC WxR. Wink

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Reply #24 - Feb 17th, 2012 at 9:53am
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I put the CS Weather Radar into the "other" JetStream 4100 Athough I need to use SHIFT+6 to open the WXR to turn it on andto make changes, I do have the display showing on the panel. In the Panel.cfg they have the RXP WxR located there, I just replaced it with the CS WXR display.

Window05=CS Weather Radar

[Window05]
size_mm=525,386
windowsize_ratio=0.3
position=2
background_color=1,1,1
visible=0
ident=11223

gauge00=WXR!wr_display, 81,32,364,279
gauge01=Captain_Sim.r001.P04!P04_radar, 0,0,525,386

[VCockpit02]
size_mm=1024,1024
pixel_size=1024,1024
texture=$GaugeTwo
background_color=0,0,0

gauge00=j41!other_j41_rmu_1,    0,   0, 393, 500
gauge01=j41!other_j41_rmu_2,  393,   0, 393, 500
gauge02=other_BAe_JS4100_3!GNSXLS,  1, 508, 512, 408
gauge03=j41!other_j41_alt_pic, 896,0,128,508
;gauge04=rxpWX500!RDR,  532, 528, 472, 331 <- this line commented out ( ; )
gauge04=WXR!wr_display, 532, 528, 472, 331 <- This to replace the line above (adds the WXR Display into the JS4100 VC).
gauge05=j41!other_j41fms_pu_open, 919,458,53,35


It looks like this:



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