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Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
May 2nd, 2010 at 2:42am
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Hi everyone...I use MSFS by 10 years, and I have more less 4,000 flight hours in five FS editions, but I'm a rookie in add-ons.

So, be patient with myself.

My first question:

Why the Captain Sim's B-767 aircrafts don't use the AIRLINES CALL SIGNS in ATC communications?

For example: Air France plane don't use "AIR FRANCE or AIRFRANS + flight number" and British Airways plane don't use "BRITISH AIRWAYS or SPEEDBIRD + flight number". The system ALWAYS uses the alphanumeric aircraft registration as BOEING F-ABCD, or BOEING G-ABCD.

Is it possible to modify it?

If so, how to do it?
  

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L1011; B777-200/F; B777-200/F (LR); MD-11/F;B737-600/700/800/900NG; B767-300/200/F/KC ; B757-300/200/F ; C130 X-perience All-In-One; B707-300/300C; B727-100/200; B737-200/200ADV; WX Radar
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Re: Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
Reply #1 - May 2nd, 2010 at 4:01am
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To get some of them to work. Open FSX. Go to Free Flight and change the current aircraft. HIGHLIGHT the Captain Sim 767 livery you want and then select DETAILS. In the Airline call sign: select the one you want. Then change Flight number: to the number you want.

e.g. Select 767-300 British Airways. Then details. Then in Airline Call Sign, select Speed bird from the list. Then in Flight number, type 763. The ones listed work.

I actually edited my aircraft.cfg and added the information into there. Here is the listing for my 737-300 RR British Airways:

[fltsim.5]
title=CS 767-300 Captain Paint5
sim=B767-300RR
model=rr5
panel=
sound=RR
texture=british
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
atc_id=G-BNWW
atc_airline=speed bird
atc_flight_number=763

atc_heavy=1
ui_manufacturer="Boeing"
ui_type="767-300 RR"
ui_variation="British Airways"
ui_typerole="Commercial Airliner"
ui_createdby="Captain Sim"
description="767-300 Base Pack v1.4\n(c) 2009 Captain Sim www.captainsim.com"
ui_wglts=1


Here is the original:

[fltsim.5]
title=CS 767-300 Captain Paint5
sim=B767-300RR
model=rr5
panel=
sound=RR
texture=british
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
atc_id=N764A
atc_airline=
atc_flight_number=

ui_manufacturer="Boeing"
ui_type="767-300 RR"
ui_variation="British Airways"
ui_typerole="Commercial Airliner"
ui_createdby="Captain Sim"
description="767-300 Base Pack v1.4\n(c) 2009 Captain Sim www.captainsim.com"
ui_wglts=1


I have tried adding more without success. I believe that you need to modify something inn FSX to get more of the callsigns to be stated. I tried modifying the airlines.cfg by adding them. It didn't work. I went online and looked up the call signs for the airlines and tried adding those instead. It still didn't work.

In FS9 you needed to add them to the ATC voice commands using the SDK. I will look into how it needs to be done for FSX. I stopped trying after those attempts at doing it (as you can probably tell) and will look into it again.

Hope this helps.

Mark
  

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Re: Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
Reply #2 - May 2nd, 2010 at 4:46am
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To get some of them to work. Open FSX. Go to Free Flight and change the current aircraft. HIGHLIGHT the Captain Sim 767 livery you want and then select DETAILS. In the Airline call sign: select the one you want. Then change Flight number: to the number you want.

e.g. Select 767-300 British Airways. Then details. Then in Airline Call Sign, select Speed bird from the list. Then in Flight number, type 763. The ones listed work.


Well, I tried it but not appears any new airlines except the originals ones from FS, i.e., Orbit, American Pacific, etc.

I agree with you it would be necessary to modify the "aircraft.cfg". And I tried it too, but Windows asked me to choose a program to open it and I don't know to do it.

How do you open the .cfg's files? If possible, step by step.

I told in my first post I'm a rookie in add-ons, and I never tried to modify the FS's .cfg files before.

Thanks a lot.  
  

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Re: Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
Reply #3 - May 2nd, 2010 at 9:36am
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How do you open the .cfg's files? If possible, step by step.

Open it with a WordPad.
  
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Re: Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
Reply #4 - May 2nd, 2010 at 10:33am
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Turn off the User Account Control in Windows. If you don't you will not be able to save the changes made to the cfg file.

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Re: Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
Reply #5 - May 2nd, 2010 at 11:44am
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Pinatubo wrote on May 2nd, 2010 at 4:46am:
I told in my first post I'm a rookie in add-ons, and I never tried to modify the FS's .cfg files before.

Sorry for that. I didn't think to say what to use to open the files with. Sad

I have set notepad as my default program for opening .cfg files, but that's my preference. I am also using Windows 7 Pro 64bit and I don't need to turn the User Account Control off (I can't say for other versions of Windows 7 as I don't have or use them), but those using Windows Vista (any version) will need to turn User Account Control off, like Michael said.

Sorry for not providing all the info.

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Re: Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
Reply #6 - May 2nd, 2010 at 2:59pm
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Markoz, Michael Cubine, mbucholski and DAL 191, thanks for help.

I'll follow yours instructions and try again.

PS - My OS is Windows XP + SP 3
  

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Reply #7 - May 2nd, 2010 at 5:36pm
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In the main fsx menu there us a airlines.cfg file. Just type them into that and it works
  

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Re: Why CS Don't Use Airlines Call Signs In ATC comm?
Reply #8 - May 2nd, 2010 at 11:16pm
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FTMLenny wrote on May 2nd, 2010 at 5:36pm:
In the main fsx menu there us a airlines.cfg file. Just type them into that and it works

That's very interesting. I tried that with mine and it didn't work. By not working I mean that the ATC doesn't use the ailine call sign. It lists it but no ATC spoken call sign.

Example: I have Pan Am typed in my Airlines.cfg, but the ATC will only refer to my Pan Am flight as flight "721" not "Pan AM 721". I'm referring to the 727-100 Pan Am livery as an example because I did a flight in the CS727-100 Pan Am livery yesterday and noticed it wasn't saying "Pan Am".

Listing the airline in the airline.cfg does work if you class it as allowing you to select it as the airline for the plane in the Details section as described in my earlier post.

I did look through the FSX SDK, but I didn't find much info on this subject. I will try a few things that I have thought of that might get it working. But....

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Reply #9 - May 3rd, 2010 at 6:34am
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The problem with that is, that the spoken airline calls are recorded from default. There is a certain amount of fictional liveries by default, and in order to change that, you must install a third-party addon. But, do not tremble! Smiley Here comes the EditVoicePack: http://www.editvoicepack.com/ (watch out not to install all of them - you might run short on disk space).
  
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Reply #10 - May 3rd, 2010 at 8:30am
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mbucholski wrote on May 3rd, 2010 at 6:34am:
The problem with that is, that the spoken airline calls are recorded from default. There is a certain amount of fictional liveries by default, and in order to change that, you must install a third-party addon. But, do not tremble! Smiley Here comes the EditVoicePack: http://www.editvoicepack.com/ (watch out not to install all of them - you might run short on disk space).

Thanks for that. It looks promising so I'll give it a try.

Mark
  

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Reply #11 - May 3rd, 2010 at 5:06pm
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Markoz, I believe my doubt is solved.

Remark about this "How to": CS do not support neither modifications of the original package nor the issues caused by the modifications. Do it at your own risk.

How to do, step by step:

1) Open Windows Explorer > Program Files > Microsoft Games > SimObjects > Airplanes > CS_B767-300

2) Now, click one time on "Aircraft.cfg"

3) Click in "Files" (upper tool bar)

4) Click in "Edit"

A new window will open (notepad)

There is a list of all CS planes, numbered from 0 up to 13. The configuration of each model appears as below (the first one [fltsim.0]
is Aeroflot model):

[fltsim.0]
title=CS 767-300 Captain Paint0
sim=B767-300GE
model=ge5
panel=
sound=GE
texture=aeroflot
kb_checklists=
kb_reference=
atc_id=N764A
atc_airline=
atc_flight_number=
atc_heavy=0
atc_parking_types=
ui_manufacturer="Boeing"
ui_typerole="Commercial Airliner"
ui_createdby="Captain Sim"
ui_type="767-300 GE"
ui_variation="Aeroflot"
description="767-300 Base Pack v1.4\n(c) 2009 Captain Sim www.captainsim.com"
ui_wglts=0


5) Go to 11th line (atc_airline=)

6) Add Aeroflot after the equal sign. So, the new 11th line will be: atc_airline=Aeroflot

7) Save the file

8) Start FSX, load a presaved flight, change the aircraft to "CS Aeroflot", choose a flight number (551) in "details", click "OK" and "Fly Now".

Now all ATC comm will be adressed, for example, to "Aeroflot 551", instead of default airplane's alphanumeric registration (Boeing N-764A).

Sources of Airlines Call Signs:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Airline_call_sign#Call_signs

http://www.atcmonitor.com/callsigns.html

http://www.airlinecodes.co.uk/airlcodesearch.asp
  

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Reply #12 - May 3rd, 2010 at 11:58pm
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Hi Pinatubo.

I have a list of airline callsigns that I printed out a while ago when I was trying to get them working too. I Googled the callsigns so I probably got them from the same places as you. Grin

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Reply #13 - May 4th, 2010 at 7:18pm
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Yes, Google solves almost all doubts. When I use FS, I turn on my laptop and during flights I search a lot of things, like routes, VORs, NDBs, etc.
  

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Reply #14 - May 5th, 2010 at 1:48am
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Pinatubo wrote on May 4th, 2010 at 7:18pm:
Yes, Google solves almost all doubts. When I use FS, I turn on my laptop and during flights I search a lot of things, like routes, VORs, NDBs, etc.

My wife or daughter are always using our Laptop so I don't use it very much, if at all, so I use Flight Sim Commander 8.6 to look up info on those things. I also use it to create routes. Because I subscribe to Navigraph, I keep the information current in both FSC and my CS 757 and 767, which enables me to use the correctly named Airways. FSX is so out of date that some of the Airways listed in the default map no longer in exist which makes program the FMC harder (I hate those NOT IN DATABASE messages).

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