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757 pic localizer problem
Jul 20th, 2009 at 7:30pm
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I have all the updates and it has been ok but now when I try to intercept the localizer with my APP armed with freq and course when it intercepts it turns away from the  runway instead of turning towards it and will keep going around . Never had that problem before. Cry
  
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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #1 - Jul 20th, 2009 at 10:00pm
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Hi. Roger

More information is needed:

Airport / runway? Frequency for ILS? AIRAC cycle?

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #2 - Jul 20th, 2009 at 10:16pm
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KIAD  ILS runway 01R  110.1   011degrees  ( AIRAC cycle?)Hope that helps
  
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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #3 - Jul 21st, 2009 at 5:06am
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I don't know if this is part of your problem or not, but when setting up for this kind of thing, first press LOC and get on a 30 degree intercept heading with Heading SEL.  Then after the LOC is captured and you are heading correctly towards the runway, but before starting to descend on the glide slope, ie before the vertical indicator has crossed the 0 point, press APP to capture the glideslope.

This has never failed to work for me.

It sounds to me like you haven't captured the localizer properly.
  

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #4 - Jul 21st, 2009 at 8:53pm
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Also find your vref speed, add 40 to it for flaps 5 and be there when you intercept the locaizer.
  

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #5 - Jul 21st, 2009 at 9:52pm
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Roger

ILS frequency is correct so I believe the problem remains on your procedure.

Bill is fully correct. You have first to capture localizer so you have to previously activate LOC.

Keep looking to your PFD. The LOC message will change when you capture localizer.

At this moment (a little bit different from Bill) I activate APP button, of course assuring vertical indicator is above '0 point'.

Try this and let us know how it goes.

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #6 - Jul 21st, 2009 at 11:34pm
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OK thanks I will try to be more precise with the LOC and APP buttons.I have been hitting LOC then App one after the other.Maby that is why it works sometime but not always. I will try the way you say next time out. Thanks for the great input on this.
  
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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #7 - Jul 22nd, 2009 at 11:06pm
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Yeah, actually I hit APP as soon as the localizer is captured. 

For our VA, SOP is 180 kts or more to intercept the localizer and Flaps 5-10 depending on weight.  Target approach speed is Vref30 +5+ 1/2 the head wind component+ the full gust in excess of the steady wind if you have gusts. 

Gear down at 10 nm from the runway or when the glideslope comes alive, whichever is later.  Drop speed to target final approach speed when gear goes down to prevent spool up of the engines due to drag.  I dial down the speed as I drop my gear so that as the gear locks into place, the speed has dropped to just about where Flaps 20 is needed, which go down just after gear is locked in place, then speed continues dropping to flaps 25, then full flaps so that the final configuration is achieved by the final fix. 

Capturing the glideslope from above is a mandatory go-around condition in our VA as it is with most real world airlines. You are not allowed to divebomb the glideslope, so make sure that your downwind leg is long enough or your altitude is low enough so that you intercept the ILS BELOW the glideslope.  Many aircraft won't even capture the glideslope if you are above it prior to capture.  The CS757 might be one of them, can't remember if I have tried this yet or not with this aircraft.

That is about all there is to it really.
  

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #8 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 12:59am
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You have to be below the glideslope in order to capture it.
  

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #9 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 6:12pm
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Schmid wrote on Jul 20th, 2009 at 10:00pm:
Hi. Roger

More information is needed:

Airport / runway? Frequency for ILS? AIRAC cycle?

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Surely AIRAC should have nothing to do with it? It's simply radio navigation.
  

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #10 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:08pm
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Hi, Ant.

No, it is not so simple like this.

Navigraph develops new cycles exactly to update TP and airports informations, to reflect real world.

I have experienced some 'non capture' ILS frequencies exactly because default airport did not match with latest AIRAC cycle.

In that case, there was a new ILS frequency that FMC was reading to the specific runway, and default FSX airport had the old frequency.

By the way, it gave me the opportunity to learn how to edit and compile airports with new information.  Wink

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #11 - Jul 23rd, 2009 at 9:41pm
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I still can't see how this would make a difference.

Regardless of the AIRAC, you should tune to the ILS manually and capture the localiser in FSX, as manually as you should be doing anyway you'll be entering the frequency of the aiport, rather than the false frequency in the AIRAC.
  

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #12 - Jul 24th, 2009 at 2:11am
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That's the point, Ant.

You do not have to set ILS manually. When you choose your landing rwy, FMC sets automatically the ILS frequency.

If it disagrees from an old frequency a/c will not be able to capture LOC/APP.

Also, when you turn to FMC NAV RAD, it shows the ILS frequency according to AIRAC. If it differs from the old one, again you are in trouble because it may illude you with a wrong information.

So, of course, if you set manually the old frequency, that's ok.

But returning to the original thread: that's why I asked about AIRAC cycle. Maybe Roger let FMC sets everything automatically (as I frequently do) and, because of a different frequency he was unable to capture localizer.

And that's why AIRAC has everything to do with the problem and that's why this is not a simple radio navigation.  Cool

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #13 - Jul 24th, 2009 at 5:45pm
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I meant capturing the localiser is simple navigation, which it is. I never go auto when it's time to capture the localiser, I'll do it when I'm ready.
  

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #14 - Jul 24th, 2009 at 8:33pm
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OK since I first posted I have done 2 flights one to JFK and one to Kbos I had no problem with KBOS but could not intercept at KJFK the numbers were right. Idid both of them using default atc. mabey that is my problem it just will not connect .Sometimes it will. I am confused might be atc and the airports?
  
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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #15 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 10:11am
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Schmid wrote on Jul 23rd, 2009 at 7:08pm:
Hi, Ant.

No, it is not so simple like this.

Navigraph develops new cycles exactly to update TP and airports informations, to reflect real world.

I have experienced some 'non capture' ILS frequencies exactly because default airport did not match with latest AIRAC cycle.

In that case, there was a new ILS frequency that FMC was reading to the specific runway, and default FSX airport had the old frequency.

By the way, it gave me the opportunity to learn how to edit and compile airports with new information.  Wink

Regards

Schmid


Maybe this should be on a new thread. But I had this same issue with Dublin(EIDW). So I would now love to know how to "to edit and compile airports with new information. " Kiss Wink
  
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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #16 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 6:52pm
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There are some free applications to do this.

I use mostly ADE - Airport Design Editor at  http://www.airportdesigneditor.co.uk/

I do not intend to create or improve existing airports but it has been very useful to correct ILS frequencies and to align ILS glide - there are some airports with the glide misaligned.

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Re: 757 pic localizer problem
Reply #17 - Sep 2nd, 2009 at 10:09pm
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Also you can try "FSX Planner".
  
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