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Re: Unable to import FS FPL into FMC?
Reply #195 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 4:35pm
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GranDaddyPurp wrote on Mar 7th, 2011 at 3:22pm:
Hi everyone,

I've been following the tutorial on how to use the FMC but when it gets to the step to import the flight plan, mine doesn't show up at all on the FMC. I created one going from KJFK to KLAX using the FS Flight Planner and one on simroutes.com. I load the FP into FSX but it doesn't show up on the FMC.

I don't know if this has been answered before, sorry if it has but I just want to know how to correct this.

Also, I'm sort of new to this so bear with me  Smiley


I am not familiar with FS Flight Planner or simroutes.com but I imagine they have an option to save any flight plans created and you can probably specify where to save them. The plan should be saved to C:\Users\your id\Documents\Flight Simulator X Files. Once the plan is saved in the Flight Simulator X Files folder you should be able to get the plan into the FMC per the instructions in the tutorial.

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Re: Unable to import FS FPL into FMC?
Reply #196 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 5:31pm
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I am sorry but I thought you were writing about FSBuild rather than FS Flight Planner. If you build a plan in FS Planner and save it, the plan should automactically go to the folder in the above post.

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Re: Unable to import FS FPL into FMC?
Reply #197 - Mar 7th, 2011 at 5:44pm
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GranDaddyPurp wrote on Mar 7th, 2011 at 3:22pm:
Hi everyone,

I've been following the tutorial on how to use the FMC but when it gets to the step to import the flight plan, mine doesn't show up at all on the FMC. I created one going from KJFK to KLAX using the FS Flight Planner and one on simroutes.com. I load the FP into FSX but it doesn't show up on the FMC.

I don't know if this has been answered before, sorry if it has but I just want to know how to correct this.

Also, I'm sort of new to this so bear with me  Smiley


Hi CrisOMG,

After create a new flight plan using the FS Flight Planner, did you try to follow the next steps?:

1) Open FMC;
2) Press RTE;
3) Press [L3] REQUEST<SEND;
4) Press [R6] FLTSIM FPLS


All pre-saved flight plans will be showed. So, use PREV PAGE or NEXT PAGE to find your FP.

Hope this help,

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Very quick descent according to FMC or not ?
Reply #198 - May 11th, 2011 at 7:02pm
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Hi all,

Today I programmed a flight from EHAM(Schiphol) to EBBR(Brussels).

Everything is looking good, the aircraft is flying perfectly stabil.
However when looking at the CDU I saw that at the end of the flight I have to descent allmost 10.000ft over 16 nm ? ? ?

Imho that would take 25-33 nm....

Any suggestions ?
This route is flown at 12.000 ft.

Thanks in advance.
  

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Re: FMC TIPS,TRICKS,PROCEDURES-the only thread please
Reply #199 - May 12th, 2011 at 8:57am
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After having done some extra maths it seems that it is possible.

At the descent the speed wil be restricted from 220 to 170 knots.
Say ~200 knots in that leg from 12.000 ft to 2780 ft is a descent from ~9000 ft.

The distance is 16 nm --> 200/16 x 60 min=4.8 min ~5 minutes.
So 9000 /5 =1800 ft v/s  

Then a v/s from 1800-2000 ft would be enough..... Cool
  
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Re: Very quick descent according to FMC or not ?
Reply #200 - May 12th, 2011 at 6:32pm
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Libretto wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:02pm:
Hi all,

Today I programmed a flight from EHAM(Schiphol) to EBBR(Brussels).

Everything is looking good, the aircraft is flying perfectly stabil.
However when looking at the CDU I saw that at the end of the flight I have to descent allmost 10.000ft over 16 nm ? ? ?

Imho that would take 25-33 nm....

Any suggestions ?
This route is flown at 12.000 ft.

Thanks in advance.

Hi.

It is possible that you have encountered a small, but known, bug in the CDU. Using you picture with the CDU as a reference, I would:
1) Select the LSK L3 (CF25R) and paste it in LSK L2 (where ANT is).
2) DO NOT press EXEC, but press LSK L6 where you will see ERASE.
Doing this will, set all the altitudes to where they are much more reasonable.

Mark
  

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Re: Very quick descent according to FMC or not ?
Reply #201 - May 15th, 2011 at 3:32am
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[/quote]Hi.

It is possible that you have encountered a small, but known, bug in the CDU. Using you picture with the CDU as a reference, I would:
1) Select the LSK L3 (CF25R) and paste it in LSK L2 (where ANT is).
2) DO NOT press EXEC, but press LSK L6 where you will see ERASE.
Doing this will, set all the altitudes to where they are much more reasonable.

Mark [/quote]

Mark

That's really a slick way of solving that problem and getting a T/D. Maybe on 15-20% of my flights I would not get a T/D. Right now I am flying from KJFK to KDEN. The plan originally dumped me on the ILS couese for 35R at FL360 at 300 KIAS. I got rid of that issue in 30 seconds using the above method. I used to get a T/D by by deleting 1-4 of the last waypoints and executing, then adding them back in and executing again. Maybe it worked maybe it didn't. Maybe I only needed to get rid of two and add a new waypoint. Or maybe I had done it in the wrong sequence. It could take half of the flight just trying to ger a T/D out of the FMC. I have used your method foir times now and it works great.

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Re: FMC TIPS,TRICKS,PROCEDURES-the only thread please
Reply #202 - May 18th, 2011 at 5:51pm
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Also I have remarked that when loading a fp form FSX ( made by FSX or by Flightsim Commamnder 9 first ) , the arrival data ( STAR or Trans ) are totally mixed up.

It doesn't matter what route I create.

Of coarse I can correct this, but why does this happen at the first place ?
And most important : how can I avoid this ?


Here some screenshots from a flight Schiphol-Brussels.

The fp made in Fs Commander without the procedures


ILS25R_Trans-ANT


ILS25R_Trans-ANT 2


ILS25R_Trans-ANT 3


ILS25R_Trans-ANT 4


ILS25R_Trans-ANT 5


rw25R_Woody4A  --> so not ILS25R



rw25R_STAR Woody4A 2



ILS25R_STAR Woody4A  


ILS25R_STAR Woody4A 2


  
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Re: FMC TIPS,TRICKS,PROCEDURES-the only thread please
Reply #203 - May 19th, 2011 at 9:01am
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When you created the flight plan in FSC9, did you save it with SID and STAR? I never do this with complex aircraft such as the CS757/767. I use the FMC to add the SID, STAR and TRANS to the flight plan.

FSC9 puts the TRANS like this on - [(INTC)], which is then added with the FMC as (INTC) so you are doubling up on the SID, STAR and TRANS.

If I do you route. I only add waypoints LARAS and WOODY. The rest of the flight plan is filled with SID LEKOF1F and STAR WOOD4A and TRANS ANT the thing to be aware of is that ANT is a part of the STAR and the TRANS and so is doubled, but not needed to be deleted.

Hope you can follow and understand that.

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Reply #204 - May 19th, 2011 at 9:49pm
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I concur with Mark. This happens to me after creating a flightplan with FSC9 using sids and stars.

I enter the FSC9 flightplan (converted to .pln) via the flightplan page of the CDU, this adds the flightplan with the sid and star. I then manually enter the sid and star via the dep/arv tab on the CDU. This duplicates the sid and star so I have to manually remove the discontinuities and duplicate way points from the CDU.

I should do it Mark's way but it would mean creating 2 flightplans, one is .fsc and one in .pln (without sid/star) as I like to follow the dep/arv in FSC9. Pure laziness on my part lol.

To answer your question easily, load a flightplan into the CS757 CDU without the sid and star, and load then manually via the dep/arv tab on the CDU.
  
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Reply #205 - May 20th, 2011 at 4:06am
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On a flight this short why even enter plans generated by whatever planner is used? Let's say the flight is from EHAM 18C to EBBR 27R. On the the DEP/ARR page select DEP for EHAM. On the next page EHAM departures select 18C as the runway and LARAS1X as the SID. Back to the DEP/ARR page select ARR for EBBR. On the next page for EBBR arrivals select ILS 27R, select ANT as the tansition and WOODY4A as the STAR. Execute and go to the legs page and get rid of the disco between LARAS and WOODY and execute. The whole flight is nothing more than a SID and STAR connected together.

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Re: FMC TIPS,TRICKS,PROCEDURES-the only thread please
Reply #206 - May 20th, 2011 at 8:28am
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Today I will try it Marks way.
So the CS FMC seas fp STARs as waypoints and when choosing the same STAR in the CDU it becomes a mess. 

In the meantime I made a flightplan from EHAM to DTMB ( Monatsir/Tunesia ).
Wind from the West.

This gives even a greater mess at the Arrival waypoints.

With FSC is is nice to see what an arrival STAR will look like.
Sometimes waypoints near the STAR can be deleted to avoid many turns and make a nice transition into the STAR.

But like I wrote I will try it Mark's way and let you guys now.
  
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Re: Very quick descent according to FMC or not ?
Reply #207 - May 21st, 2011 at 3:20am
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Libretto wrote on May 11th, 2011 at 7:02pm:
Hi all,

Today I programmed a flight from EHAM(Schiphol) to EBBR(Brussels).

Everything is looking good, the aircraft is flying perfectly stabil.
However when looking at the CDU I saw that at the end of the flight I have to descent allmost 10.000ft over 16 nm ? ? ?

Imho that would take 25-33 nm....

Any suggestions ?
This route is flown at 12.000 ft.

Thanks in advance.


Libretto

Do you recall what runway at EHAM you departed on and what type of approach you were flying to 25R at EBBR?


Thank you
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Reply #208 - May 21st, 2011 at 5:41am
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Hi Michael.

The flight was with a the set to a light westerly. So my flight plan is like this:

EHAM RWY22 SID (LEKO1G) LARAS STAR (WOOD4A) TRANS (ANT) RWY25R EBBR

That was the flight plan I used. LARAS is the only waypoint between end of SID an beginning of STAR. I'm using Navigraph AIRAC 1105.

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Reply #209 - May 21st, 2011 at 3:37pm
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Today I made a flightplan with FSC without adding a procedure.

So I thought that when adding a Star and Rw ILS +Trans I would look fine.
I did not choose a Star.
Flight EHAM rw 18C to EBBR rw 25R.
Unfortunately it did not work out as I thought it would.
Again those weird arrival waypoint mess.

This only leaves the FMC that is making this waypoint soup... Lips Sealed
  
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