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freedspeak Full Member Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Nov 26^th, 2005	JATO takeoffs Nov 27^th, 2005 at 6:24pm	Print Post
	When will the JATO takeoff be available?


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Scandinavian Full Member Offline Posts: 10 Joined: Nov 9^th, 2005	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #1 - Nov 27^th, 2005 at 10:43pm	Print Post
	when the C-130T version is released.


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skydvdan Full Member Offline Posts: 111 Location: KDMA Joined: Nov 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #2 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 3:45am	Print Post
	What is everyones obsession with assisted takeoff?

	Dan Relfe&&Former EC-130E/H Flight Engineer&&USAF&&
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Aarskringspier Full Member Offline Posts: 9 Location: KPDX Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #3 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 3:47am	Print Post
	People enjoy different things.

	Randy Swofford
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freedspeak Full Member Offline Posts: 9 Joined: Nov 26^th, 2005	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #4 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 4:30am	Print Post
	I've seen a C130 do a JATO take off at an airshow and believe me it's spectacular. I'm wondering if the added thrust will be modeled in the sim. The real plane climbed at least at a 45 deg. angle.


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skydvdan Full Member Offline Posts: 111 Location: KDMA Joined: Nov 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #5 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 9:40pm	Print Post
	Aarskringspier wrote on Nov 29^th, 2005 at 3:47am: People enjoy different things. � I'm sure they do but it's still just a takeoff. I'd like to see the assisted takeoff on the LC-130 model since they're only 1 of 2 units that use them anymore.

	Dan Relfe&&Former EC-130E/H Flight Engineer&&USAF&&
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Aaron6256 Full Member Offline Posts: 121 Joined: Nov 13^th, 2005	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #6 - Nov 29^th, 2005 at 10:09pm	Print Post
	I would like to see jato on all models.

	Former KC-130 Airframes mechanic&&T-44 Airfames & Powerplants mechanic.
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harrydoucette Full Member Offline Posts: 22 Joined: Nov 30^th, 2005	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #7 - Nov 30^th, 2005 at 11:30pm	Print Post
	[color=#336600][/color] i guess u can add jato to any modle by clicking the option in the tce.


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lot737 Full Member Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Nov 13^th, 2005	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #8 - Dec 1^st, 2005 at 2:27am	Print Post
	skydvdan wrote on Nov 29^th, 2005 at 9:40pm: I'm sure they do but it's still just a takeoff http://www.airliners.net/open.file/933889/L Hah.. it's not just a takeoff I was there btw (Oceana2005) Can't wait for CS "Fat Albert"!


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Spiros Hazapis Full Member Offline Posts: 103 Location: Athens, Greece Joined: Nov 14^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #9 - Dec 1^st, 2005 at 11:27am	Print Post
	Hi, is there actually any C130 operator that does JATO nowadays? I am only aware of "Fat Albert", but they are in a totally different line of business compared to the regular Herc units. I suppose the whole JATO thing was dropped due to excessive risk and/or limited operational benefit. BTW, has anyone seen (or tried in the sim) to do a maximum effort T/O? That's very impressive as well. Any of the FEs that populate this forum care to work out a TOLD card for max effort T/O? (it is too much work for me, I have limited experience in going through performance charts...) Regards, Spiros Hazapis Athens, Greece C130 H/B AC, Hellenic Air Force

	Spiros Hazapis&&Athens, Greece&&&&C130 H/B AC, Hellenic Air Force
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skydvdan Full Member Offline Posts: 111 Location: KDMA Joined: Nov 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #10 - Dec 1^st, 2005 at 3:59pm	Print Post
	Spiros Hazapis wrote on Dec 1^st, 2005 at 11:27am: Hi, is there actually any C130 operator that does JATO nowadays? I am only aware of "Fat Albert", but they are in a totally different line of business compared to the regular Herc units. I suppose the whole JATO thing was dropped due to excessive risk and/or limited operational benefit. Yeah the New York ANG guys that do the Antarctic work still use them on the LC-130's. This is why I want the LC-130 after the J-model. That way we get The LC-130 and JATO.

	Dan Relfe&&Former EC-130E/H Flight Engineer&&USAF&&
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Spiros Hazapis Full Member Offline Posts: 103 Location: Athens, Greece Joined: Nov 14^th, 2005 Gender:	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #11 - Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 11:40am	Print Post
	Hello again, Very impressive pictures! How do these guys stop? Is it all reverse thrust? Do they have sort of "runway" established on the ice? What's a typical lenght? Also, do they have special performance charts or do they use "steering inoperative" and brakes @ RCR 0? Regards Spros Hazapis Athens, Greece C130 H/B AC, Hellenic Air Force

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skydvdan Full Member Offline Posts: 111 Location: KDMA Joined: Nov 21^st, 2005 Gender:	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #12 - Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 3:10pm	Print Post
	Spiros Hazapis wrote on Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 11:40am: Hello again, Very impressive pictures! How do these guys stop? Is it all reverse thrust? Do they have sort of "runway" established on the ice? What's a typical lenght? Also, do they have special performance charts or do they use "steering inoperative" and brakes @ RCR 0? Regards Spros Hazapis Athens, Greece C130 H/B AC, Hellenic Air Force Reverse thrust and the friction on the skis is what gets them stopped on ice/snow. �They usually have a make-shift snow(plowed runway) from what they've told me. �But sometimes not, and that's where the jato comes in. �It's not easy building up speed pushing through unplowed snow. �As for performance charts they're in the TO 1C-130H-1-1 with all the rest. �I'd suspect either an RCR of 05 or 0. �But then you have to figure in the RSC. �1 inch of runway contaminant is the equivalent of an RSC of 10. �There's a note that says: "For operation in loose, dry snow(snow that will drift in a 10-knot wind), enter charts with a depth of RSC equal to 1/3 actual depth. �This factor is applicable only for depths of loose, dry snow up to 3 inches." Probably bleeds closed also.

	Dan Relfe&&Former EC-130E/H Flight Engineer&&USAF&&
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AKC130FltEng Full Member Offline Posts: 31 Joined: Nov 15^th, 2005	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #13 - Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 3:51pm	Print Post
	From what I've read, if there is no RWY plowed they will do what all Bush pilots do up here in Alaska...they spend a couple touchdowns (nose wheel off the ground) plowing their own RWY. They either use a RCR of 5 or a RSC, you aren't supposed to use both. RSC takes precident. Brian Thibodeaux T56/T700 Propulsion Journeyman C-130E/H2 Flt Eng


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lot737 Full Member Offline Posts: 5 Joined: Nov 13^th, 2005	Re: JATO takeoffs Reply #14 - Dec 2^nd, 2005 at 4:07pm	Print Post
	skydvdan wrote on Dec 1^st, 2005 at 3:59pm: That way we get The LC-130 and JATO. I agree. Hmm.. I want to change my vote


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