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The freighter story
Jul 24th, 2021 at 5:40pm
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Captains,
We sense some misunderstanding on the entire Freighter story, so it's time to say our position plain and simple.

1. The Freighter expansion never been promised.
Yes we were working on the F.
Yes we were hoping to release the F this year.

2. The F expansion never been advertised as a part of the 767-300ER Base Pack. Thank you all who have purchased the 767-300ER but it does not entitle you to any other Expansions.
The 767 CAPTAIN II family is a set of separate products. Same as any other family of CS products.

3. We understand that some of you are still using P3D and want the 767 Freighter in your hangar, that's why we have released the 767-300CF, with some limitations.
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 6:21pm
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This is an honest question. Is there anyone still at CS capable of writing code or are you strictly modelers now? CS used to at least attempt to make complete planes, but we aren’t seeing any attempt at that anymore. A cargo plane with a door that doesn’t open and an engine expansion with no sounds or modeling differences vs the base makes me wonder…
  
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Reply #2 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 7:03pm
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okupton wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 6:21pm:
Is there anyone still at CS capable of writing code

That's a good one. Thanks
  
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Reply #3 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 7:42pm
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Perhaps the misunderstanding is the reaction of CS's (and some now former) customers to this announcement of cancelling what was expected to be an imminent release.

I, too, am in the camp of buyers who is not interested in a freighter lacking a working cargo door and lacking cargo load capabilities.

To my (uninformed of the inner workings of CS) perspective, the response with delivery of a "CF" model is a weak response to blowback of a poorly conceived business decision.

CS...based on the responses here on your forum, Reddit and Avsim (and likely others), you've obviously let down many customers on this B767 expansion fiasco.
  
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Re: The freighter misunderstanding
Reply #4 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 7:48pm
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I have no further expressions of disappointment beyond being bilked out of my money expecting CaptainSim to have executed on a roadmap laid out for the product line.

This is the end of their development for P3D is my guess. 

After a long period of purchases with CaptainSim, this is also the end of my custom here as well.

I suppose the MSFS market is so lucrative that CaptainSim sees no need to finish a P3D product.
  
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Reply #5 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 8:02pm
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rmeier wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 7:42pm:
the response with delivery of a "CF" model is a weak response

Believe me, the available GE version and the upcoming 767-300CF, even with some limitations, is the best possible outcome for P3D users. Plan B was to drop the P3D completely right after the recent 737 Classic release.
Anyway, the fully functional 767F for P3D is out of question, unfortunately.
  
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Reply #6 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 8:17pm
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Captain Sim wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 8:02pm:
rmeier wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 7:42pm:
the response with delivery of a "CF" model is a weak response

Believe me, the available GE version and the upcoming 767-300CF, even with some limitations, is the best possible outcome for P3D users. Plan B was to drop the P3D completely right after the recent 737 Classic release.
Anyway, the fully functional 767F for P3D is out of question, unfortunately.


Would of at least been nice to also add the wings to the Virtual Cabin on the 737 Classics....
  
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Reply #7 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 8:46pm
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Captain Sim wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 8:02pm:
rmeier wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 7:42pm:
the response with delivery of a "CF" model is a weak response

Believe me, the available GE version and the upcoming 767-300CF, even with some limitations, is the best possible outcome for P3D users. Plan B was to drop the P3D completely right after the recent 737 Classic release.
Anyway, the fully functional 767F for P3D is out of question, unfortunately.


And this is what irritates me the mot about this situation. You advertise all these "upcoming projects" to get people hyped and buy the base pack. Then just completely cut ties with projects. I know nothing is promised or guaranteed but the explanation (or lack thereof) for why it was cancelled makes it worse.

You guys charge similar prices to a lot of other big developers but don't have the follow through like they do. In my personal opinion I feel that these aircraft are overpriced for the features they have, but I was willing to make a purchase because I thought you guys would continue developing and supporting it for a little bit. But now it sounds like you guys are just trying to ditch P3D altogether and leave your customers with unfinished products.
  
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Reply #8 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 10:19pm
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Well to say this is a disappointment is an understatement. With this kind of business strategy and the clear abandonment of the current P3D customer base, I will look for other reputable companies to spend my money on for MSFS2020.
You've got my last dollar.
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 10:30pm
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Well, actually I don't care wether CS will develop the F expansion, I don't know the difference between "promised" and "confirmed", as per the manual part I available for download...
  

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Reply #10 - Jul 24th, 2021 at 10:41pm
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caioramirez wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 10:30pm:
I don't know the difference between "promised" and "confirmed"

Confirmed for development, in production.

Which is supported by the ...MAY include... on the same page.


  
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Reply #11 - Jul 25th, 2021 at 12:21am
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Captain Sim wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 10:41pm:
caioramirez wrote on Jul 24th, 2021 at 10:30pm:
I don't know the difference between "promised" and "confirmed"

Confirmed for development, in production.

Which is supported by the ...MAY include... on the same page.




Yes, I noticed that only after posting...
Because of it, and in order to avoid unecessary comments, I'd like to ask if the forum moderator could remove my last post, since I couldn't find a "delete" button.

Regards
  
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Re: The freighter story
Reply #12 - Jul 25th, 2021 at 9:41pm
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Seriously, most flight simmers would accept plan changes when new sim platforms are coming. At least I do, even if P3d will remain my sim platform for a long time.

But with all due respect to addon producers, what on earth would have been the problem to make a proper GE expansion with a proper GE sound and then you were done with the 767 in P3d??? OK, the freight dogs would still have been disappointed then, but it would have been a finished and honest product.

And now?? Everybody is pissed! The GE lovers for the lack of sound, the cargo lovers for the lack of a cargo door (honestly I was laughing when I read that).

You've modeled animations for the cup holder, for the door of the cupboard in the wall behind the copilot seat, for the maintenaince doors of the gear box,... you've maxed out all the animations, which many people liked. Are you really telling those people now it wasn't even worth modelling a freight door in a CF version??! I can't help seeing that as a bit as a provocation.

You know exactly what people had in mind when they saw the more unpopular, yet interesting PW version in the base pack back then, combined with the outlook for the expansions. And the strange trial of tempering your words used to create that expection at your customers doesn't change those expectations in the aftermath.
Canceling a project is one thing which I think is OK and has to be respected by customers who have no clue about the financial backgound. But delivering "2 half products" of which each lacks one of the most obvious reasons for their existence is a cry for driving away customers - which include me now.

I've praised you so much at Simmarket for your huge effort in systems at the 757 and 767 for P3d v4 in comparison to older 757 products. That was really great! But now, I'm out of the game for the lack of credibility in a single expansion pack! Glad I read the "limitations" section before pushing the "Buy now" button. Shame because I even thought about buying the 737 additionally. But as the role of P3d customers seems newly defined by that, I'm gonna resist for any newer products.
  
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Reply #13 - Jul 26th, 2021 at 5:46am
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What is the chance of an updated 707 or 727 to come to P3D????
  

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Reply #14 - Jul 26th, 2021 at 1:34pm
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Hey Captain Sim Team

the only limitation for the CF for me is your useless Cargoloader and the Cargo Box system, i think an full operateble Cargodoor is one or two Hours work. Otherwise we get an "Prachter" like the Condor 767-300 that Opertes for DHL. And no 767CF.

And in my World Confirmed meas that this Product will be come..... and not after 12 Month o sorry we deside to kill this Project, for an MSFS2020 777747......
  
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