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Captain Sim CS Team Offline Posts: 4234 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2005	The 767-400? May 4^th, 2020 at 3:06pm	Print Post
	The 767-400 flight deck/systems EXPANSION to the 763 Base Pack is out of question because they are totally different. Guests can vote.

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KBUF_Aviator Full Member Offline Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2018	Re: The 767-400? Reply #1 - May 4^th, 2020 at 6:09pm	Print Post
	Depends on what is provided. Will the flight model be updated along with the exterior model? Also, in reality the systems are not totally different based on systems function, as they are the same from what I understand from the -300ER based on the data I have. The flight deck differences can also in theory be pulled from the 777 expansion that you also did. Major differences can be referenced here: https://www.boeing.com/commercial/aeromagazine/aero_03/textonly/ps01txt.html


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Pablo Go Full Member Offline Posts: 5 Joined: May 3^rd, 2020	Re: The 767-400? Reply #2 - May 4^th, 2020 at 6:37pm	Print Post
	I dont see why you should ask this. I will love to have 767-400 as an expansion with the new flight deck.


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Captain Sim CS Team Offline Posts: 4234 Joined: Nov 7^th, 2005	Re: The 767-400? Reply #3 - May 4^th, 2020 at 8:05pm	Print Post
	Pablo Go wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 6:37pm: I dont see why you should ask this. Because the -400 exterior (if enough ppl need it) could be out in 2020. The -400 flight deck/systems would take many years even IF we'd drop all other products and start the -400 today.

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KBUF_Aviator Full Member Offline Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2018	Re: The 767-400? Reply #4 - May 4^th, 2020 at 8:41pm	Print Post
	Captain Sim wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 8:05pm: Pablo Go wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 6:37pm: I dont see why you should ask this. Because the -400 exterior (if enough ppl need it) could be out in 2020. The -400 flight deck/systems would take many years even IF we'd drop all other products and start the -400 today. In no disrespect intended, why would it take years? In terms of modeling, the overhead and pedestal are the same. The difference is found in the displays, the EFIS selector being in the location of the Nav frequency tuner on the glare shield, and changes to the gear handle and EGPWS override buttons. All of that can be used from your 777 package. And the systems from understand are the same as the 767, with the expectation of possibly the electric system due to the larger 120kVa generators installed. Unless the flight dynamics are vastly different, I’m curious as to why the 764 will take years but the freighter interior can be completed much quicker then changes to the VC for this variant. I would purchase a 767-400ER if it was fully modeled.


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jetOne Full Member Offline Posts: 17 Joined: Feb 10^th, 2018	Re: The 767-400? Reply #5 - May 4^th, 2020 at 9:59pm	Print Post
	KBUF_Aviator wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Captain Sim wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 8:05pm: Pablo Go wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 6:37pm: I dont see why you should ask this. Because the -400 exterior (if enough ppl need it) could be out in 2020. The -400 flight deck/systems would take many years even IF we'd drop all other products and start the -400 today. In no disrespect intended, why would it take years? In terms of modeling, the overhead and pedestal are the same. The difference is found in the displays, the EFIS selector being in the location of the Nav frequency tuner on the glare shield, and changes to the gear handle and EGPWS override buttons. All of that can be used from your 777 package. And the systems from understand are the same as the 767, with the expectation of possibly the electric system due to the larger 120kVa generators installed. Unless the flight dynamics are vastly different, I’m curious as to why the 764 will take years but the freighter interior can be completed much quicker then changes to the VC for this variant. I would purchase a 767-400ER if it was fully modeled. I imagine the differences in development are like going from the 744 to 748. When a well known developer undertook that task even they admitted it was more than expected and should’ve been an entirely new product and not an expansion.


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KBUF_Aviator Full Member Offline Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2018	Re: The 767-400? Reply #6 - May 4^th, 2020 at 10:12pm	Print Post
	jetOne wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 9:59pm: KBUF_Aviator wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Captain Sim wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 8:05pm: Pablo Go wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 6:37pm: I dont see why you should ask this. Because the -400 exterior (if enough ppl need it) could be out in 2020. The -400 flight deck/systems would take many years even IF we'd drop all other products and start the -400 today. In no disrespect intended, why would it take years? In terms of modeling, the overhead and pedestal are the same. The difference is found in the displays, the EFIS selector being in the location of the Nav frequency tuner on the glare shield, and changes to the gear handle and EGPWS override buttons. All of that can be used from your 777 package. And the systems from understand are the same as the 767, with the expectation of possibly the electric system due to the larger 120kVa generators installed. Unless the flight dynamics are vastly different, I’m curious as to why the 764 will take years but the freighter interior can be completed much quicker then changes to the VC for this variant. I would purchase a 767-400ER if it was fully modeled. I imagine the differences in development are like going from the 744 to 748. When a well known developer undertook that task even they admitted it was more than expected and should’ve been an entirely new product and not an expansion. The upgrade from the 744 to 748 was significantly more compared to the 763 to the 764 path. Boeing straight up reimagined the 747 platform with the -8, and it's shown in the tech baked into the bird. In comparison, the 764 was a cut and dry simple stretch with some minor improvements to the 763 compared to what the 748 did to the 747 platform. For example, the 748 has the "Next Gen" MCDU installed over the 744, while the 764 shares the same MCDU as the 763. It's not an accurate comparison.


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CptVHHH Full Member Offline Posts: 87 Joined: Jan 24^th, 2013	Re: The 767-400? Reply #7 - May 4^th, 2020 at 10:34pm	Print Post
	I'd buy an external only 767-400 if it was priced well.


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newmanix Full Member Offline Posts: 60 Joined: Apr 3^rd, 2009	Re: The 767-400? Reply #8 - May 4^th, 2020 at 11:16pm	Print Post
	Worst case, release the external model with current VC as an extension.


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Cng757 Full Member Offline Posts: 71 Location: KPAE Joined: Mar 26^th, 2014	Re: The 767-400? Reply #9 - May 5^th, 2020 at 12:22am	Print Post
	If it's priced fairly I'm sure many like me would bite.


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Scholli04 Full Member Offline Posts: 104 Joined: Jan 4^th, 2018	Re: The 767-400? Reply #10 - May 5^th, 2020 at 8:59am	Print Post
	Not interesting, I can as well merge it with a freeware 764 model and have my 763 cockpit, systems, flight dynamics, etc. Only a model update is totally not interesting.


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Yakkifly Full Member Offline Posts: 11 Location: Amsterdam (EHAM) Joined: Apr 19^th, 2019 Gender:	Re: The 767-400? Reply #11 - May 6^th, 2020 at 11:34am	Print Post
	I would personally consider buying the 764 model expansion IF it did at least include the correct burn and performance data, as well as the correct flight behaviour. If it then happened to still have a 763 cockpit, then that would not be to bad. As long as it behaves like the real thing and not just like the 763 I would be onboard with it.


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DXB777L Full Member Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Mar 15^th, 2013	Re: The 767-400? Reply #12 - May 6^th, 2020 at 5:19pm	Print Post
	Let me get this straight, this would be an expansion pack using a 767-400 exterior model, the 767-300 cockpit? Ahhh ya no. lol


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KBUF_Aviator Full Member Offline Posts: 19 Joined: Jun 30^th, 2018	Re: The 767-400? Reply #13 - May 11^th, 2020 at 2:02pm	Print Post
	Any decision made on this or the engine options poll?


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Venuz New Member Offline Posts: 3 Joined: Dec 20^th, 2016	Re: The 767-400? Reply #14 - May 12^th, 2020 at 1:49pm	Print Post
	KBUF_Aviator wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 8:41pm: Captain Sim wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 8:05pm: Pablo Go wrote on May 4^th, 2020 at 6:37pm: I dont see why you should ask this. Because the -400 exterior (if enough ppl need it) could be out in 2020. The -400 flight deck/systems would take many years even IF we'd drop all other products and start the -400 today. In no disrespect intended, why would it take years? In terms of modeling, the overhead and pedestal are the same. The difference is found in the displays, the EFIS selector being in the location of the Nav frequency tuner on the glare shield, and changes to the gear handle and EGPWS override buttons. All of that can be used from your 777 package. And the systems from understand are the same as the 767, with the expectation of possibly the electric system due to the larger 120kVa generators installed. Unless the flight dynamics are vastly different, I’m curious as to why the 764 will take years but the freighter interior can be completed much quicker then changes to the VC for this variant. I would purchase a 767-400ER if it was fully modeled. If CS make also B764's VC, I definitely buy it. I don't mind whether as expansion or as separated product like "767X Pax/F".


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