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Re: CIVA INS Tutorial......text or You Tube
Reply #15 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 6:56pm
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Hi Mark.Many thanks for your reply. To clarify.

I do not use the MAN switch on the default CIVA INS. I leave it on AUTO.

The routing I had, FP created by PFPX, EGLL-LEMD had me departing from Rwy27L at EGLL, but I did not put the HDG to 271. Instead, I set it to 137deg as that was the first turn after lift-off, and it did follow that track after setting the VOR for LON at 113.30.

Then, as per your tips, immediately after lift-off, once I had climbed to 1000ft, I engaged AP after already having set the FD to SYNC in the before taxi checks, set the HDG switch on, as well as the NAV switch, then moved the Navigation Panel Mode switch to FMS.

The aircraft followed that 137deg heading but then just carried on going Eastwards towards the North Sea when it should have gone South towards Madrid.

I then switched from FMS to VOR and brought her back to follow the FP South-bound track, but when I switched back to FMS, the aircraft immediately veered and reverted to a 177 deg heading. Nothing in the clicking that middle right-screw next to the display showed up as a 177 course heading.

So, now I am quite bereft of ideas which way to go.

Wish I could attach images here.
  
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Reply #16 - Sep 6th, 2019 at 8:13pm
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Did everything as described previously except for changing the Capt's side course selector to 271deg,(Rwy27L) and after I reached 1000ft, and switched to FMS, it decided to head to 177deg.

I quit at that stage.
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 7th, 2019 at 3:08am
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Sorry that it doesn't work for you, but I have no idea why it isn't. Sad
  

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Re: CIVA INS Tutorial......text or You Tube
Reply #18 - Sep 9th, 2019 at 2:56am
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Can you provide the details of the flight you're trying to do?

Location of the L-1011 at the departure airport (Gate #), the route (including the takeoff runway you're using), and of course the arrival airport.

I would like to try the flight myself to see if it works for me.

I should have asked for this info earlier. Sad
  

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Reply #19 - Sep 10th, 2019 at 8:38pm
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Reply #20 - Sep 12th, 2019 at 8:24am
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Hi Mark

As per the CS FSX Tutorial:

Departure airport:UK2000's EGLL(London Heathrow Extreme)
Gate: 317
Arrival airport: Aerosoft's LEMD(Madrid Barajas)
Take-off Runway: 27L
SID:DET2G

Hope this helps, Mark and thanks for giving it a shot.
  
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Reply #21 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 3:19pm
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Well I tried the tutorial, and I found a few interesting things.

1. With the N3 set tp 90%-92%, and pressing the IAS button at V2+10, the L-1011's VS went into the brown (descending), not the blue (climbing)! I had to push the throttles to the max to start climbing.

2. After passing through 10,000ft, and starting the climb to FL370, using the IAS set at 300 Knots, and a climb power of N3 87%, again the L-1011's VS went into the brown (descending), not the blue (climbing)! This time, I went I used the A/T set at 300 knots, and set the VS to 1800 (in the blue), but the speed sat at about 285, and by the time I reached cruise altitude, FL370, the speed was 257 knots, and using the A/T didn't change a thing. At cruise altitude, I turned the A/T off, then on again, and the L-1011 slowly increased to 300 knots, but I had to reduce it to 279 knots to maintain Mach 0.84.

Another weird thing was that using "Ctrl+Shift+G to arm the Takeoff mode of the Flight Director", when the L-1011 reached 60 knots on the takeoff run, the Alpha Mode Flag came up in the IAS Display, and it made it very difficult to do a proper takoff as described in the tutorial.

I never had any problems with the tracking of the route at any stage after switching it to HDG, FMS, and turning NAV Mode OFF. It tracked the route just like it should.

I also tried this by entering the POS two ways. The first way was as described in the tutorial:

2(N) 5 1 2 8 1 INSERT 4(W) 0 2 7 8 INSERT

and the second way was the way I would normally do it for EGLL Gate 317:

2(N) 5 1 2 8 1 INSERT 4(W) 2 7 8 INSERT

and it made no difference to the way the L-1011 followed the route, so both worked exactly the same (so I see no reason to add the 0 into it, because as you add the other numbers into it, they fill the correct places without it (but it could be the way that Tom Beckett was taught to enter them)).

I can only think that you are either doing something wrong with entering the coordinates at EGLL Gate 317, or something is not set correctly on the AP, so it isn't following the route - like you are leaving the NAV Mode Switch ON, and/or the AP is tracking something else when you switch the NAV Source Selector Switch to FMS. I'm at a loss as to why it won't track the route like it should.
  

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Reply #22 - Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:12pm
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Hi Mark

Your first two points are exactly what I too experienced, as well as the 'Ctrl+Shift+G' anomaly.

As regards your INS following the flightplan, where you and I differ was that I kept the NAV switch on as per your previous recommendation. So, I'll will next try it with NAV off.

And if it does what you experienced, voila! the nut is cracked!

  
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Reply #23 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 2:31am
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ThatColvale wrote on Sep 13th, 2019 at 9:12pm:
As regards your INS following the flightplan, where you and I differ was that I kept the NAV switch on as per your previous recommendation. So, I'll will next try it with NAV off.

Those instructions were for the SimuFly CIV-A INS (v1.60x64), and not the Captain Sim CIV-A INS, which comes with the 1011 Captain II. In my first reply, I mentioned the SimuFly CIV-A INS, and I think from that point on, there was confusion between the two different CIV-A INS units. Unfortuanately, that was my fault for not quite understanding your original post, where you said "I tried to set-up one from the Avsim-linked tutorial, but lost my way getting this aircraft to follow the waypoints, track, etc", simply because I missed the word tutorial in that sentence, and I took it that you must have been trying to set up the SimuFly CIV-A INS. Because of that, I went and downloaded the SimuFly CIV-A INS (v1.60x64), installed it, and then worked out how to set up and get it working in the 1011 Captain II. Once I had done that, I told you how to modify the panel.cfg, and instructions on how to get it track the route.

IF I had been able to upload an image of the final result, which I wanted to do, you would have noticed straight away that I wasn't showing how to do the flight with the Captain Sim CIV-A INS! The two CIV-A INS units look very different. Sad
  

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Reply #24 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 7:46pm
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That NAV switch you say you turned OFF, is it the NAV switch on the INS or the NAV Switch on the Navigation Mode Panel ? Because I tried your way and turned that NAV switch on the Navigation Mode Panel to OFF and just engaged the HDG switch and FMS and the plane still selected heading 179.

Additionally, clicking on cross-head screw next to the right-hand side display(W) I got a strange waypoint showing 3089nm.I thought to myself, 'that's weird,as LEMD is nowhere 3089nm!'. I wonder is that that's throwing the INS out?

In the 757 III Forum I was able to attach screenshots. In this Forum, for some reason cannot do so. Wish I could.

  
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Reply #25 - Sep 14th, 2019 at 11:51pm
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Are you are loading the EGLLLEMD01 flight plan into the INS? The reason I ask is because when you first load the L-1011 II into the P3Dv4, there is a plan already loaded in the INS. It's the 1011-base.pln (VFR VOR to VOR from KVPS to KJFK), and it's needed or the INS doesn't work. Once you load a new route, it should overwrite that default route!

To get the Captain Sim INS to follow a route:

1. MODE SELECTOR Knob - NAV - after Alignment is completed (‘1011 Captain’MANUAL Part II – Aircraft and Systems, page 184, O02. MODE SELECTOR UNIT)

2. The route must be loaded into the INS either manually (entering the coordinates individually), or using Menu > Navigation > Flight Planner > Load  and then selecting EGLLLEMD01. Once back in the VC, check to make sure throute is showing in the INS by clicking on the right side screw (you should see 1(1) EGLL, 2(2) SAM, 3(3) KAPEX, etc.. which means that roiute is correctly loaded).

3. Everything is now done for the flight, so after takeoff, fly the runway  heading until you reached at least 3000', the L-1011 is clean (landing gear raised, and flaps up), have accelerated to 250 knots using the A/T, (not IAS mode, because for this test, we won't do the SID, we just want to make sure that the INS will track the route), and VS Mode selected and set to climb at 1800fpm (it doesn't matter if you have set the ALT ARM to 6000', or cruise alt of 37,000'). Once that is done:

4(a). Both Flight Director Switches - ON
4(b). Autopilot Switch - CMD (either Paddle Switch moved to the CMD position).
4(c). Heading Mode Switch - ON
4(d). NAV Switch - OFF (this is the one on the AP panel)
4(e). NAV Source Select Switch - FMS

Once you have done that, the L-1011 should start turning to intercept the magenta line between EGLL and SAM (press SHIFT+6 to bring up the MAP to verify that it is). Interestingly enough, the Heading Display flipped to 171, then 172, then 173, etc. until it settled on the best heading to intercept the magenta route line.

Note. I always leave the bottom right screw on the INS on amber, as it does the same thing as having it set to green:

‘1011 Captain’MANUAL Part II – Aircraft and Systems, page 190

28. Hidden (virtual) key – Auto-Switch Route Pages on/off
- There is no click zone if route is less or equal 9 waypoints.
- Lower right screw is amber if route is more than 1 page (more than 9
waypoints) and the lower right screw has not been pressed yet. It indicates
that you should decide which mode you will use for navigation. By default
"auto-switch route pages" will be on
.

If "auto-switch route pages" is on (lower right screw green or amber), next 9
waypoints will be loaded automatically when you reach leg 9-1 at the
current page. Please see NAVIGATION chapter for details.

  

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Reply #26 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 3:55pm
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Updated to v1001.

Did everything you kindly suggested except for the waypoints that came before SAM, generated by PFPX, which I could not delete.

Again, followed your advice, and very frustratingly, the aircraft after doing what you recommended, once reaching 3000ft, heads North away from Runway Heading 271 deg towards 356 deg.

Re-checking the INS there is no Heading 356 anywhere in the Flightpan, so, I am stumped as to where this 356 deg heading that the aircraft selects when moving that switch over to FMS is generated from.

Decided to play it out to see where it leads to. And instead of heading to LEMD,instead the aircraft is heading to Scotland!!!!

Pity I cannot attach images to highlight.
  
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Reply #27 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 7:56pm
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Try creating a new route from EGLL (Rwy 27L) to LEMD (Rwy 32L), but without a SID, or STAR.

EGLL DCT SAM N63 LELNA UN621 BASIK UN90 NOVAN UN864 ORBIS DCT LEMD

Save it as EGLLLEMDxx (xx = next number of the EGLLLEMD routes you already have saved), then load it into the INS instead of The EGLLLEMD01 that has the SID and STAR.

See if that works.
  

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Reply #28 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 8:16pm
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Thanks, Mark. Going to try that now.
  
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Reply #29 - Sep 15th, 2019 at 9:29pm
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Okay, did as suggested.

Followed track 271 out of 27 L and just after 3000 ft engaged as suggested, and the plane headed towards HDG 181 and just stayed there. Did not even make an attempt to head towards SAM, etc, etc.Stayed on 181 all the way to the Northern headland of Spain.

At that junction, I just gave up, and quit

I just cannot figure what it is I am doing wrong, or maybe I should give up INS-equipped aircraft as a bad joke. It was never like this with the 707 in FSX way back when.
  
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