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Windows 10 and FSX. What will happen?
Jul 10th, 2015 at 11:24pm
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As you probably know, Windows 10 will be a FREE upgrade for Windows 7 and Windows 8 users and will be available to download on July 29. Existing Windows 7 and 8 users can reserve their copy now.

FSX works fine with W7, but what will happen after installing the new OS?

To accept, or not to accept, that is the question.

I'm not sure what to do. Undecided

What do you think about that?
  

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Reply #1 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 1:54am
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I was interested in giving the Windows 10 Preview a try, but it was highly recommended that it not be installed on one's main computer! So I would have needed another computer to install it on, and I was not going to buy/build one just for Win10 Preview. But had I done so, I would have had a good idea of how FSX works in it. Undecided

While I have reserved my 2 free copies, one for my main computer (in which it will replace Win8.1, and be used as a second boot system), and one for my Laptop that will replace my Win7 installed on it, it won't be happening until around the last week in August.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 11th, 2015 at 5:42am
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If you get the Free Upgrade, you can't opt out of any service update, ever. That means if a update breaks something or you simply don't want it, you can't do anything about it. No rolling back. No uninstalling the update. Nothing.

It should also be noted that the Free Upgrade allows MS to toss any sort of app or junk they want onto your PC. Food for thought on that.
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 3:11am
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So what if you buy Windows 10, instead of accepting the Free Upgrade? Wouldn't that be the same deal? After all, Windows 10 is Windows 10. Undecided
  

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Re: Windows 10 and FSX. What will happen?
Reply #4 - Jul 12th, 2015 at 8:41am
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Markoz wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 3:11am:
So what if you buy Windows 10, instead of accepting the Free Upgrade? Wouldn't that be the same deal? After all, Windows 10 is Windows 10. Undecided


I think it's not the same deal. When you buy something, and you aren't happy with the product, no matter how good a product is, you have the right to complain, right? But if you receive the same product as a gift, what will you do? Legally they are just offering a free upgrade and nobody is compelled to accept. But after the acceptance nobody can blame them by technical failures or eventual hidden traps inside the gift.
  

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Reply #5 - Jul 13th, 2015 at 3:23am
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Markoz wrote on Jul 12th, 2015 at 3:11am:
So what if you buy Windows 10, instead of accepting the Free Upgrade? Wouldn't that be the same deal? After all, Windows 10 is Windows 10. Undecided


Purchasing a license will negate any of the aforementioned issues. You can turn off updates, roll them back, and have the option to opt out of any Apps or software MS offers via the SP's.

However, a important issue to to contemplate is the fact that Windows is no longer a OS Platform, it's a service. The biggest concern is this: while Windows 10 will seamlessly upgrade to Windows, your OS would evolve into a new product for which you have to pay. And by pay I mean it is going to be/already is a subscription based service.

I suggest you read the ToS regarding Win10.
  

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Reply #6 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 4:10am
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I have Windows 10 installed and I have a slight problem. The FSX window is now bigger and when I open it and it does open, the FLY NOW button is out of reach of my cursor. I have tried in settings to resize it but it is permanent. Have contacted Microsoft about this issue. Anybody try this yet for FSX? Angry
  

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Reply #7 - Jul 30th, 2015 at 5:03pm
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I have resolved  this small issue by just relocating the taskbar to the side or top and making it auto. FSX works though the type seems to be a bit bigger, I do have new drivers for the graphics card which were loaded soon as windows 10 was installed. Overall seems to work ok.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 31st, 2015 at 7:53pm
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Wow! No upgrade for me...

Microsoft will collect any file you have, aside the ones you “provide”, including anything in your private folders, including any password, of any nature belonging to you, not limited to the computer and devices running Windows 10, or any Microsoft service. If you encrypt a drive, Microsoft gets the key.

There is no clause forcing Microsoft to limit or obey any opt out, or choice you make.

In case of doubt, Microsoft gets the right to change the contract.
  

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Reply #9 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 7:02pm
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UPDATE: Had to roll back to Windows 7, Video is just not compatible yet for my machine. Just a note Windows 10 comes with DirectX11 installed, just did not work for FSX. Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #10 - Aug 1st, 2015 at 7:21pm
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I must say that this topic has more than its fair share of misinformation.
These are the bits that I know to be true.

Whether or not you can roll back drivers, disable Windows features etc depends not on whether you paid for it but on the version.
Which version you get depends on your version of Windows 7 or 8.
For example, Windows 7 Home premium entitles you to Windows 10 Home.
Windows 8 Pro to Windows 10 Pro and so on.

As to privacy, Microsoft have one policy which can be viewed at their site.
It applies to all Windows versions.
If that is unacceptable to anyone, they need to look for a different OS provider altogether.
While I cannot see into the future, unlike some seem to be able to, Microsoft have said that there will be no charge for updates to Windows 10 even though for one year it is offered free of charge.

Windows 10 ships with Direct X 12 and for me it will run any software from Direct X 9 upwards.
This naturally includes FSX and FSX Steam in Direct X 9 and Direct X 10.
I don't have P3D.
I don't have anything left that needs Direct X 8 or lower.

@ Post#6
The larger FSX can easily be resolved by accessing the properties tag for all users of fsx.exe and ticking the "Disable display scaling  on high DPI settings" box.
Windows 10 did this for me.
While you're there, tick the "Run this program as an Administrator" too, then click on Apply.


Finally, I have it, everything that worked before works now, often a little better.
  
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Reply #11 - Aug 2nd, 2015 at 3:23pm
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What is your system configuration including your video graphics card. This is where my issue is according to Dell Tech support. My system is not yet fully compatible with Windows 10 according to them. Undecided
  

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Reply #12 - Aug 3rd, 2015 at 8:35pm
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FSX Gold Dx10, FSX Steam Dx10.
  
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Reply #13 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 5:48pm
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Nick Cooper wrote on Aug 1st, 2015 at 7:21pm:
I must say that this topic has more than its fair share of misinformation.
These are the bits that I know to be true.


There is no misinformation, only what was stated at the time by MS themselves concerning the your 'privileges' with regards to Upgrade versions. I'd read the contract if I were you. Draconian is putting it lightly.
  

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Reply #14 - Aug 6th, 2015 at 9:55pm
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Possibly, but this

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If you get the Free Upgrade, you can't opt out of any service update, ever. That means if a update breaks something or you simply don't want it, you can't do anything about it. No rolling back. No uninstalling the update.

is simply wrong.
You can do all of these things
  
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