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Reply #15 - Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:41am
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same for me! Im not interested in modern jets. No fun to fly it.
I just flew 707-300C on a 5 hours trip from Tel Aviv to London, had tons of fun, and didnt used a time compression. Thats what i like. TOGW was 320000 lbs, almost max! bird was heavy and slow on climb Smiley

Vintage airliners have same market with the modern jets. Thats what i think Smiley
  
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Reply #16 - Apr 18th, 2013 at 3:57pm
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Kapitan wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:36am:
[quote author=Camper link=1365501334/0#13 date=1366195976][quote author=Kapitan link=1365501334/0#10 date=1366116550]

Most of them dislike the analogue jets from the 60s and 70s, its not their first choice when buying an addon. When I was a teen, I hated the Junker JU52, or a DC6, these were outdated museum planes, I loved Caravelles, comets and 707s.

Today its the same thing. The Tristar wont atract the young ones in general, thus creating a smaller market. That is what I meant.


I wouldn't say that flightsimming is a young man's pursuit. It might be 15-20 years ago but not now. These days the youngest flightsimmers are the people who grew up with FS9/FSX, and they would've been in their mid-20s by now with genuine interest in aviation.

The real problem with very old aircraft (like those propliners) is the lack of information available on the internet, and people who doesn't read old aviation books often find these aircraft difficult to relate to. With the L-1011 you still got some people, usually retired pilots and engineers talking about it in the internet forums and there are lots of cool pictures online. To be honest I wouldn't have been interested in the Tristar had it not for 411A's (RIP) interesting comments and discussions in the PPrune and Airliners.net forums.

In a way these classic jets are like that old Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong, it's been gone for 15 years yet many people are still interested in it because of the videos on Youtube. The same cannot be said for The DC-6, Croydon Airport or the 4-course radio range.
  

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Reply #17 - Apr 19th, 2013 at 5:13am
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While this is going to be a definite purchase for me once the full product is done, I would REALLY wish this to be a Pro-Line aircraft.  This is THE aircraft I have been waiting for to be done well in FSX, and I for one would be willing to pay more for a Pro-Line version of this aircraft than any other aircraft out there Smiley

The L-1011 may very well be my favorite passenger aircraft ever (possibly due to the fact that one of the first flights I can ever remember being on as a kid was aboard an Eastern L-1011 Smiley ).  To have a full version of this aircraft with as many systems modeled as accurately as possible would be like my dream come true, with regards to Flight Simulation anyway!
  
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Reply #18 - Apr 19th, 2013 at 5:57am
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Avantime wrote on Apr 18th, 2013 at 3:57pm:
Kapitan wrote on Apr 17th, 2013 at 11:36am:
[quote author=Camper link=1365501334/0#13 date=1366195976][quote author=Kapitan link=1365501334/0#10 date=1366116550]

Most of them dislike the analogue jets from the 60s and 70s, its not their first choice when buying an addon. When I was a teen, I hated the Junker JU52, or a DC6, these were outdated museum planes, I loved Caravelles, comets and 707s.

Today its the same thing. The Tristar wont atract the young ones in general, thus creating a smaller market. That is what I meant.


I wouldn't say that flightsimming is a young man's pursuit. It might be 15-20 years ago but not now. These days the youngest flightsimmers are the people who grew up with FS9/FSX, and they would've been in their mid-20s by now with genuine interest in aviation.

The real problem with very old aircraft (like those propliners) is the lack of information available on the internet, and people who doesn't read old aviation books often find these aircraft difficult to relate to. With the L-1011 you still got some people, usually retired pilots and engineers talking about it in the internet forums and there are lots of cool pictures online. To be honest I wouldn't have been interested in the Tristar had it not for 411A's (RIP) interesting comments and discussions in the PPrune and Airliners.net forums.

In a way these classic jets are like that old Kai Tak airport in Hong Kong, it's been gone for 15 years yet many people are still interested in it because of the videos on Youtube. The same cannot be said for The DC-6, Croydon Airport or the 4-course radio range.


spot on! But I also have to agree with Kapitan, the Tristar is only intresting for a small niche of the market. However, if done properly, I can imagine it attracting alot of attention.

Regarding the lack of documents is one thing - but there are (even for the tristar) substantial information sources (check out my thread: http://captainsim.org/yabb2/YaBB.pl?num=1366318548). I think it's more a matter of accepting a task that requires great diligence!

I still have good memories, even if I was a child then, flying on Air Canada's Tristars (and Canadi>n DC-10's) in the late 80's/early 90's!
  
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Reply #19 - Aug 14th, 2013 at 11:43am
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+15489 about a Pro-Line release!!!!
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 23rd, 2013 at 9:40pm
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just forked over my 10 euros to check out the model. Definitely hoping for a Pro-Line, but honestly, I'll take what I can get.. but there hasn't been anything even close to resembling a systems sim for the L1011 since that FS2002 freeware dev made a panel with a few systems on it, then turned it to payware and watched it vanish from the face of the earth.. so even if it only has partial systems, it will be better than anything since FS2002....  so gonna keep my fingers crossed Smiley I heard the "other" FSX Tristar was a disaster, so I steered clear of it, especially for the price they were asking.. guess a lot of people were disappointed..
  

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Reply #21 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:10am
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Captain Sim, I expect, will give this a VC some time in the future. I only say this because I don't think they have any products at all that don't come with either a VC, or 2D Panel (except maybe the L-39 Jet Trainer for FS2002/CFS2).
So the only real question is, how much systems will it have? Only enough to keep it a Fun Line product, or much more in-depth to make it a Pro Line product?
The good thing about the Pro Line products, is that you get the variety of different models, rather than just the one.
  

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Reply #22 - Nov 24th, 2013 at 8:23am
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This is the last real life simulator I worked on when I was at CAE  in Montreal , and it was the development simulator for Lockheed. I was at the Lockheed plant in Palmdale . there were problems with the Rolls Royce engines that almost put Rolls Royce out of business. That delay really hurt Lockheed's sales . I certainly hope that CS completes the panel for this bird as I have a sentimental attachment to it . That being said, I am still having fun with the JF model , but have'nt mastered the INS yet. Undecided Undecided Ron
  

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Reply #23 - Nov 25th, 2013 at 4:32am
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Markoz wrote on Nov 24th, 2013 at 5:10am:
Captain Sim, I expect, will give this a VC some time in the future. I only say this because I don't think they have any products at all that don't come with either a VC, or 2D Panel (except maybe the L-39 Jet Trainer for FS2002/CFS2).
So the only real question is, how much systems will it have? Only enough to keep it a Fun Line product, or much more in-depth to make it a Pro Line product?
The good thing about the Pro Line products, is that you get the variety of different models, rather than just the one.

at the bottom of the product page it gives a link to previews of the interior VC...  it's looking pretty good...  so yeah, the only real question is what kind of systems simulation will it have... even if they don't go to the full spoiler simulation or autoland, but still have it pretty immersive, then it should be good.. but if it's going to be all visuals and no substance, then I've spent all I'm going to spend and just continue with my OM merge, like every other Tristar I've got..
  

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Reply #24 - Nov 25th, 2013 at 6:22am
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R_Aldrich wrote on Nov 25th, 2013 at 4:32am:
at the bottom of the product page it gives a link to previews of the interior VC...  it's looking pretty good...  so yeah, the only real question is what kind of systems simulation will it have... even if they don't go to the full spoiler simulation or autoland, but still have it pretty immersive, then it should be good.. but if it's going to be all visuals and no substance, then I've spent all I'm going to spend and just continue with my OM merge, like every other Tristar I've got..

I had forgotten about that! Fancy forgetting that! Sheesh! Undecided

I'm hoping for a really good replication of a real TriStar, not that I would know what it's really like, but it makes it more "real", if I can use that term, for me. Cheesy
  

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Reply #25 - Jan 24th, 2014 at 6:07am
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Happily surprised Smiley way to go Captain Sim
  

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Reply #26 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:32am
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I would love this product to come with a virtual cabin like those with the Boeing 767 and Boeing 777 ProLine products. I'd happily pay extra for the feature too. Cheesy
  
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Reply #27 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 8:44am
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DKW1984 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:32am:
I would love this product to come with a virtual cabin like those with the Boeing 767 and Boeing 777 ProLine products. I'd happily pay extra for the feature too. Cheesy


Yeah, me too!
  
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Reply #28 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 10:21am
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McCartney95 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 8:44am:
DKW1984 wrote on Feb 2nd, 2014 at 5:32am:
I would love this product to come with a virtual cabin like those with the Boeing 767 and Boeing 777 ProLine products. I'd happily pay extra for the feature too. Cheesy


Yeah, me too!


Me not, at all  Grin
I'm sooooo happy it has no virtual cabin, as I would have never used it and it would have destroyed my frames.
  

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Reply #29 - Feb 2nd, 2014 at 1:11pm
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Same here - cockpit is my place
  
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