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737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Feb 12th, 2013 at 1:04pm
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Please consider adding a new model to the 737-200 series. Today many if not most 737-200s have deleted the eyebrow windows and it would be nice to have such a model available in order to have realistic liveries for airlines that have done these modifications.

If this each models comes at a cost then so be it but please give this some consideration in order to provide a more diverse product. I am sure many persons on this forum will agree with me.

In addition to this it would also be a good idea to have a model that uses FMS and a more modern autopilot.
  


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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #1 - Apr 25th, 2013 at 10:44pm
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I agree with everything he said, at least when it comes to adding a more modern autopilot system (Sperry 177 or whatever it is) and a FMS if possible to the 737-200ADV only. It would sure be awesome if it lived up to its "Advanced" name.
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #2 - Apr 26th, 2013 at 2:29am
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Looking up 737-200ADV photos on Airliners.net, I found a lot of photos of them with them having the eyebrow windows. I think they were a retro fit option, not an option on the originals. Huh
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #3 - Apr 26th, 2013 at 11:53am
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Absolutely correct Mark. None of the originals -200 was built without eyebrow windows. This was an operators' request which came much later, replacing the windows with structural plugs. A service bulletin with no time compliance. Since line number 1649 (737NG) the eyebrow windows have disappeared from production.
By the way this didn't make the 737-200 more advanced as mentioned above Wink
Looking at all the different 737-200 models and the combinations one can imagine between having a fwd airstair, aft airstair, cargo door, gravel kit ... or details like HF antenna cable or not, TCAS antenna ... or not, it will be very difficult for CS to fullfill our wishes. I like it the way they did it.
cheers, Lex
  
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Reply #4 - Apr 26th, 2013 at 4:54pm
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I love eyebrow windows! On any aircraft. Cheesy Grin
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #5 - Apr 28th, 2013 at 9:17pm
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The aim and moto should be>

Keep it original

If eyebrow windows were on the originals that I flew in the 70s and 80s i want them as they were, as REAL as it gets. Dont CS ever concede to modern kid tastes that have only started to watch airplanes recently
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #6 - Apr 28th, 2013 at 10:47pm
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Kapitan wrote on Apr 28th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
The aim and moto should be>

Keep it original

If eyebrow windows were on the originals that I flew in the 70s and 80s i want them as they were, as REAL as it gets. Dont CS ever concede to modern kid tastes that have only started to watch airplanes recently


The original 737-200Adv had the option of cockpit eyebrow windows or not. Pretty real to me.  Wink

Link:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/First-Air/Boeing-737-248C-Adv/2251846/&sid=ce00fd...
  


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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #7 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 1:52am
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AirCanadaGuy wrote on Apr 28th, 2013 at 10:47pm:
The original 737-200Adv had the option of cockpit eyebrow windows or not. Pretty real to me.  Wink

Link:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/First-Air/Boeing-737-248C-Adv/2251846/&sid=ce00fd...

That photo was taken in 2013, so it could possibly be a retro-fitted one. Why not show a photo, taken in the 1970's when they were new? Like this nice old black and white:

http://www.airliners.net/photo/Transavia-Holland/Boeing-737-2K2C-Adv/2097939/&si...

Using the search fields at Airliners.net for 737-200/Adv  (for photos taken in the 1970's), I didn't see a 737-200ADV that didn't eyebrow windows. Of course it's always possible that I missed one that didn't have them, but I tried to make sure I looked at ALL of the 737-200Adv photos. Wink
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #8 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 1:53am
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AirCanadaGuy wrote on Apr 28th, 2013 at 10:47pm:
Kapitan wrote on Apr 28th, 2013 at 9:17pm:
The aim and moto should be>

Keep it original

If eyebrow windows were on the originals that I flew in the 70s and 80s i want them as they were, as REAL as it gets. Dont CS ever concede to modern kid tastes that have only started to watch airplanes recently


The original 737-200Adv had the option of cockpit eyebrow windows or not. Pretty real to me.  Wink

Link:
http://www.airliners.net/photo/First-Air/Boeing-737-248C-Adv/2251846/&sid=ce00fd...


No.
The picture link is from this 2013.
Precisely what Aflex was explaining above. Some modern companies very recently have refitted removing eyebrow windows.

If you do a search in airliners for 737-200 and then range the dates for the 70s, you will see only originals with eyebrows.

Its pretty much the same to what happened to the DC8, the ones that survived from 90s onward and used in freight and charters were fitted with large turbine jets, which were not the original jets of the DC8, thin... and possibly underpowered. If I ever buy a DC8 addon, I want it as it was originally.

After 40 years of service obviously the industry presses for updates in a plane layout. Like a 727 flying today will most certainly have gps and multi-display, but that not makes a feature typical of that model.
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #9 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 1:55am
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Hey Kapitan. We both noticed the same thing at the same time!  Grin Grin Grin
  

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Reply #10 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 1:57am
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Markoz wrote on Apr 29th, 2013 at 1:55am:
Hey Kapitan. We both noticed the same thing at the same time!  Grin Grin Grin


mind reading hahaha, very good!
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #11 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 2:03am
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It was a factory option from Boeing. In order to approve the change to a certified aircraft by the FAA in the United States, an ATC (or Amended Type Certificate - known as a Supplemental Type Certificate by Transport Canada) will be created by the manufacturer because covering the standard windows would be a modification to the original approved design. An ATC is required for any and every change done to a certified aircraft, from the covering of windows to adding a coffee machine.  Wink Leaving the windows open would be cheaper, I suppose, as the original design was to include eyebrow windows. Just my thoughts. From the FAA.gov website:

The FAA may amend a type certificate when the holder of the type certificate receives FAA approval to modify an aircraft design from its original design. An amended type certificate approves not only the modification, but also how that modification affects the original design.
  


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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #12 - Apr 29th, 2013 at 3:21am
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FAA approval for modifying an aircraft design was never in doubt.

I have not been able to find anything about the eyebrow windows being an option back then, so maybe I'm not looking in the right place(s). Sad
  

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Re: 737-200 No Eyebrow windows
Reply #13 - Oct 19th, 2013 at 10:52pm
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Perhaps the option to either have it or delete it would be a nice compromise. Another developer did that with their 737 and it works out well.
  


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