I have the same question...

and if it's too large to have with the VC is there anyway to include just biz and first class? (with wing & engine views) but not economy?

BTW it does look totally awesome

Well, as explained in the manual: The flight deck and the PAX cabin models are extremely detailed and consist of hundreds thousands of
polygons each. So due to FSX limitation the PAX cabin is separated from the flight deck as an independent aircraft. To use the PAX cabin select the 777 Passenger cabin from FSX Aircraft menu.

"Sacrificing a little quality" is not an option.
Probably we'll make some cropped version of the cabin (whatever FSX will allow) attached to the flight deck.
So most likely we'll offer the following options in ACE:
- Flight deck only
- Flight deck + cropped cabin
- Complete cabin (no flight deck)

Captain Sim wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 3:42am:

This is where a 2D cockpit would fit in nicely (which I know would make quite a few people happy ).
I not so sure I would use it with a 2D cockpit though. I would rather just have the VC.

I must congratulate CS on a fine model (since I also do my share of bug reporting!). The external model of LR and ER are superb and the passenger cabin is excellent. I did a night flight with .8 and had a WOW moment when looking at the plane from outside view. One can actually see inside the cabin in 3D, and the lights from the cabin windows shine on the wing. The VC is very accurate and provides the real feel of being in the airplane. The wings and wing flex on the LR really give the feel of flying. Nice work!

Ben

Probably the cabin without the economy class section. First half of the cabin.

Sorry to play Devil's advocate here but;

For the life of me I cannot understand CS's logic here. They make a really stunning PAX cabin (one of CS's strong points and a major selling point), and then make it so that its unusable in flight (OK I guess you could get that model up in the air using some of the 2D panels, but without a radio and overhead panel I don't know how one would do this). But that just defeats all the amazing realism built into this cabin model anyhow.

OK so a cropped version will be offered with the flight deck; So why make the entire PAX cabin in the first place then? As an advert for what CS can do, for looking at while standing at the gate?

So much effort; The number of animations in the PAX cabin is not listed in the manual, so I made a count;

Exterior doors  = 8
Lav doors = 7
Crew rest room door = 1
Windows shades = 122
Armrests = 248!
Overhead Bins = 103!
First Class Seats reclining to beds = 12
First Class Entertainment screens pop-out/stow = 12

513 animations (give or take some I may have missed)! Wow!! but Why?

Together with the hundreds of animations in the VC and External model, + FSX limitations, no wonder its tough to have one model (beside the poly count).

Do we really need all those PAX cabin animations. Every armrest and window shade? Why not just some, say at over-wing seats where, if ever anyone is going to use them, that would be most likely where. Who really is going to open and close every overhead bin?

So maybe if one CS can cut down on the animation count (also help with the poly count?) we could get most if not all of this cabin with the VC in one model?

Just my 2c worth, but I for one would rather CS had put all that effort into systems modelling if it was going to end up like this i.e. nice pax cabin, but sorry can't go with the VC (or only a part of it anyhow)!

Robin

Thank you, CS! The cropped cabin will be great.

Markoz wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 4:57pm:


And I think that everything is animated. I know that every overhead bin in the 767 is animated, and my random selection of animations in the 777 with 100% success rate should show that every armrest, overhead bin, etc... is indeed animated.

By the way, CS, would there be a way to change from VC to Cabin midflight. For instance, you can make the stewardess model appear and disappear, so could the same thing be done with sections of the aicraft?

I hope this is selectable in ACE instead of having alot of Aircraft selected in FSX itself

boeing247 wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 6:35pm:

I do believe you guys are right. Every one that I tried in the Pax Cabin worked!

Yeah....I like that idea, 2D panel and the entire cabin layout as a selection on ACE.


Thanks,
Kin M.
(klax)

I have read through all the replies so far and have taken a few things from them, I agree with those who said its pointless to have the full cabin if it can only be used on the ground (as with the current 2D panel options its going to be difficult to fly) So why not solve the whole thing by having a Full cabin with a proper 2D panel (or at least all the various panels Overhead radio etc...) then at least you can get full use of the cabin and be able to fly the plane properly that makes a lot more sense to me don't you think?

Just few 2 cents 

The plane is called "777 Captain." We don't need any of the animations in the cabin for a normal flight, since we are sitting in the captain's seat. I'm content with being able to open the door and see whatever the captain would see in the real 777 from the cockpit door.

My guess is they made the detailed cabin with animations for those who want a cabin and also for videos and marketing shots. It should not be that difficult for them to get rid of all the animations and knock down the polygon count for a cabin version that will work with the VC.

A detailed VC with working instruments and systems is essential for flight, while the cabin is eye candy.

Ben

Saratoga wrote on Sep 9^th, 2012 at 8:26pm:


If there was ever a plane that needed a virtual cabin, it's this one, though. Once you're in the air, you don't need to touch anything until descent, and you don't really have anything to do until final approach. Of course, in the real world, you would be much more attentive, but in FS, nothing fails unless you want it to, and there isn't anybody on board. And in the 727, I almost never go in the cabin, because I need to be constantly watching my speed, heading, and location. But in a plane like the T7 it's nice nice to have the cabin there to move around and peruse.

geolpilot wrote on Sep 8^th, 2012 at 4:40pm:

+1

captainsim please just get ride of half of the abimations more if have to so we can get the full cabin 

Thanks for your reaction. You mean,you need the cabin textures aswell in the models ?

I guess I just wait for a solution from the Captain 

ayster wrote on Sep 11^th, 2012 at 2:27pm:

maybe keep 1 aniation in first class

Hann wrote on Sep 12^th, 2012 at 7:49am:
Yes Hann, I have to agree. As I spend too much time, during my life, at the blunt end the last thing I want to play with in a flight sim is arm rests and overhead lockers.

Not to degrade Captain Sims efforts, I'm sure there are a lot of customers who appreciate your efforts in this direction.

So I think you should keep all or half of the animations in first class, half of buisness class, and only animations in most visited areas of the cabin, ion the CS 767, the only place I sit in coach is the right side window seat that is on the emergency exit that is on the wing (that is also halfway in the coach class)

I have another question:
is it possible not to display the passanger cabin? I mean, when I fly, i don't really care of watching the Pass cabin,and I think it eat a lot of frames...

rservice wrote on Sep 27^th, 2012 at 8:22pm:


Oh yes; I didn't know, thankyou for the reply, even if the question was quite idiot...

Am I mistaken or is this plane supposed to have a virtual cabin? If it is, I can't seem to get to it even after toggling all the views.  I've even done a pristine re-installation. I must be making some stupid mistake. Someone please enlighten me.
Thanks!

The cabin is two big to be in the model with the vc. If you look at the select aircraft menu and you will find the cabin model. In later updates captain sim will have an option to crop the cabin or make smaller. Just like the 757.

Hey guys,
Thanks for your replies...willcheck the cabin model.

Much appreciated!

The 777-PAX (cabin only model) does not have a Virtual Cockpit, which makes it impossible to fly (IMO). I only load to it to have a wander through the cabin, then I load one of the other 777 model to do a flight! [/quote]

That's what I thought at first but I'm flying it right now (TNCM-MKJS). I'm at FL370 over santo Domingo at the moment. Couldn't  turn the lights on though but everything else went smoothly (except for the known issues of course). Flying using the SEMICONS but not sure how the approach and landing will turn out.  

when fly high level and use autopilot and in the middle of flight change plane - to 777-PAX (cabin only model), whether the (new)aircraft will continue on autopilot or flight data are all reset?
And then back again to 777 with VC and the plane continues on autopilot or not ??

When 777 flying in the air on the autopilot and now switch model  Pax Cabin - then what happens? Whether the plane will crash or continue operating on autopilot?

The cabin will be cropped in future service packs/updates captain sim have slready stated this. But it depends when they will do it theres far too much seriouse problems to fix before hand but we never know it may be included in V1.2 and if everything goes to plan v1.2 will be out sometime this week "Hopefully"

Lee Park wrote on May 28^th, 2013 at 12:21pm:

Hello,
do you know if 1.2 supports already combined exterior model (with VC) and part of interior views, or it is still separate models...?
many thanks !
JM

Captain Sim 2 wrote on Jul 9^th, 2013 at 9:17pm:

I suppose you will just put out a hot fix later on?