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AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:00am
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Please note - systems debug mode has been removed. Feel free to select any livery or aircraft variation, to reload the 777, to select/save another flight.
  
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Reply #1 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:13am
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It seems that every few seconds the lights on the buttons will go off for about a second and then come back on. It doesn't affect the selected autopilot setting but it can get a bit annoying  Wink
  

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Reply #2 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:34am
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packers101 wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:13am:
It seems that every few seconds the lights on the buttons will go off for about a second and then come back on. It doesn't affect the selected autopilot setting but it can get a bit annoying  Wink

I'm seeing the same thing only mine flicker slightly.
  

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Reply #3 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:36am
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Yeah mine sort of varies. Sometimes it will just flicker and other times it is off for a full second
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:53am
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Reply #5 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 1:10am
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Had posted this in another thread before this MCP one was opened:

I had the following issue when using the 777 KSEA loaded flight.

On descent, autopilot on - when changing altitude in the MCP by increments of 100 ft the altitude displayed in the MCP dial went from 2500 immediately to 1400 (should have been 2400) and then displayed in 100 ft increments down to 1000 (and immediately therefter displayed 1900 when dialing down another 100ft).
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT
Reply #6 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 4:46am
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Eric.M wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:34am:
I'm seeing the same thing only mine flicker slightly.
Same here. But it doesn't bother me too much at all.
  

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Reply #7 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 4:26pm
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Hello

I can't change the values in MCP, ie speed, hdg, alt...
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #8 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 4:53pm
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freddy31200 wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 4:26pm:
Hello

I can't change the values in MCP, ie speed, hdg, alt...


Have you tried using the mouse middle roller thing (I don't know the official term for this  Wink )?
  

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Reply #9 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 5:02pm
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Yes I used it. The knob turn but the numbers stay at 000
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 5:34pm
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Tru to use left and right buttons of mouse, if the middle roller doesn't work. Wink
  

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Reply #11 - Jun 7th, 2012 at 6:16pm
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JusJ wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 1:10am:
Had posted this in another thread before this MCP one was opened:

I had the following issue when using the 777 KSEA loaded flight.

On descent, autopilot on - when changing altitude in the MCP by increments of 100 ft the altitude displayed in the MCP dial went from 2500 immediately to 1400 (should have been 2400) and then displayed in 100 ft increments down to 1000 (and immediately therefter displayed 1900 when dialing down another 100ft).


I have this issues also.
  

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Reply #12 - Jun 8th, 2012 at 10:28pm
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Reply #13 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:04pm
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JusJ wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 1:10am:
Had posted this in another thread before this MCP one was opened:

I had the following issue when using the 777 KSEA loaded flight.

On descent, autopilot on - when changing altitude in the MCP by increments of 100 ft the altitude displayed in the MCP dial went from 2500 immediately to 1400 (should have been 2400) and then displayed in 100 ft increments down to 1000 (and immediately therefter displayed 1900 when dialing down another 100ft).

I still see this issue with the new version, tried to dail in 2500ft, jumped from 2400 to 3500
  

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Reply #14 - Jun 9th, 2012 at 2:40pm
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NY-Chief wrote on Jun 9th, 2012 at 1:04pm:
JusJ wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 1:10am:
Had posted this in another thread before this MCP one was opened:

I had the following issue when using the 777 KSEA loaded flight.

On descent, autopilot on - when changing altitude in the MCP by increments of 100 ft the altitude displayed in the MCP dial went from 2500 immediately to 1400 (should have been 2400) and then displayed in 100 ft increments down to 1000 (and immediately therefter displayed 1900 when dialing down another 100ft).

I still see this issue with the new version, tried to dail in 2500ft, jumped from 2400 to 3500

I tried it in my 777 (version 0.201) and  it goes from 2400 to 2500, 2600, 2700, 2800, 2900, 3000 etc. So it is fixed for me.
  

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Reply #15 - Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:52pm
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I can't get the A/P switch to turn on at all. LNAV, VNAV, and all the buttons can be pressed and light up but the autopilot will not engage no matter what I do.
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 12th, 2012 at 1:45pm
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bobulisk wrote on Jun 11th, 2012 at 3:52pm:
I can't get the A/P switch to turn on at all. LNAV, VNAV, and all the buttons can be pressed and light up but the autopilot will not engage no matter what I do.


I have the same issue. I tried re installing and still no luck.

EDIT- I got the autopilot to engage after making sure the 6 hydraulic switches on the overhead panel at the back of the cockpit are turned on.
  

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Reply #17 - Jun 12th, 2012 at 3:39pm
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Altitude selector knob should clear all altitude restrictions on the FMC with every click as long as the altitude on the MCP is higher. I had to manually delete the restrictions for SIDS when cleared to a higher level on VNAV.
  

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Reply #18 - Jun 14th, 2012 at 12:39am
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I find that banking the aircraft using heading select is very jerky - not smooth at all.
  
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Reply #19 - Jun 16th, 2012 at 6:38am
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Altitude Selector (inner) push function
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Push function of altitude selector not working. Cannot do a step climb this way, and it doesn't clear altitude constraints if any on the CDU as well........
  

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Reply #21 - Jun 22nd, 2012 at 8:40pm
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Reply #22 - Jun 22nd, 2012 at 10:51pm
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First cut and AP is VASTLY improved. The autoland did, in fact, cut the throttles at touchdown. Much smoother turns, etc.

You seem to be ahead of the curve on this version.

Well done.  Smiley

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Reply #23 - Jun 23rd, 2012 at 12:30am
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Version 0.4
I seem to have a problem with speed window, cannot wind speed up or down in the VC view. No mouse click area on the speed selector or something.
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 23rd, 2012 at 1:01am
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I installed 0.4. Displays are not working. Do you have same problems?
  
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Reply #25 - Jun 23rd, 2012 at 1:36am
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V0.40

I agree with @Jerry to a certain extent.
Operates OK in the Pilot View
Operates OK in the GlareShield View
No operation from Co Pilot
No operation from Overhead

@ asanal
My displays are OK

In fact there is still a list of equipment alive with the aircraft sitting 'Cold and Dark'

Lighting - Internal and External
DSP
AP
6 Primary Displays
Overhead panel push buttons
  

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Reply #26 - Jun 23rd, 2012 at 3:56am
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I managed to activate Displays (partially), but I don't have Nav function. Flight plans route , Wind direction/speed and Next waypoints info are missing.
  
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Reply #27 - Jun 23rd, 2012 at 10:10pm
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After activating Heading Hold or Heading Select, how can it be deactivated without shutting off the autopilot? Sometimes I leave the plane in speed and altitude hold but manually control heading. But I cannot turn of heading alone once it is selected.

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Reply #28 - Jun 26th, 2012 at 8:18pm
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Would someone kindly explain the functions of the VNAV and FL CH buttons? I know I'm being a bit dim but they don't seem to do anything when activated.
  

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Reply #29 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 12:54am
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marknixon wrote on Jun 26th, 2012 at 8:18pm:
Would someone kindly explain the functions of the VNAV and FL CH buttons? I know I'm being a bit dim but they don't seem to do anything when activated.


Do you have an understanding of the VNAV system already? If not, it's not hard to explain.

Essentially, when you engage the VNAV (Vertical navigation) and the auto-throttle, you are doing what the LNAV (Lateral navigation) is doing, except instead of navigating the plane from way point to way point, it's flying vertically, hence the name vertical navigation, or VNAV. When you put your flight plan into the FMC, and you calculate weights, cost index (which for FSX has no relevance), and put in your cruising altitude, not only does it create the lateral route, but the best vertical route for optimal cost efficiency and comfort.

You can see this on the LEGS page(s), on the right of each waypoint along the route. There is a xxx/xxxxx, where the 3 xxx's before the slash are represented by the speed at which it wants to fly, or has to fly through that way point (speed restrictions are noted on the charts and in the FMC for  some approaches and departures, and for any general speed restrictions under transition altitude). On the right side of the slash, it is the calculated or mandatory altitude required to fly through that way point (again, mandatory altitude restrictions are noted in charts and are given by ATC).

The FL CH (Flight Level Change) is a similar tool, except instead of using the VNAV's calculated altitudes, it is used for climbing to specific altitudes maintaining certain speeds.

Hopefully you and others have a little more understanding of the vertical navigation systems in the 777, and in other aircraft.
  

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Reply #30 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:33pm
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Yes, I have a slight understanding of the VNAV system: As far as I know, it's supposed to follow the altitudes entered in the FMC, so that after passing any waypoint it will start to change altitude if this is called for by the next entry. But it doesn't seem to be doing this...

Should VNAV be left in the 'ON' state during a whole FMC-controlled flight?

As for FL CH, I believe this is intended to control the speed of ascent/descent consistent with the A/T setting of speed and, indeed, I now find it does this for me.

Again on the subject of the FMC/AP: Is there any way of changing the freq of VOR L or VOR R in the FMC? If I try to paste from the scratch pad a new freq, I get the dreaded 'INVALID ENTRY'. I thought the FMC was supposed to load the appropriate freq for the arrival airport/runway.

As there does not seem to be a NAV radio on the CS 777 (just THREE COM radios between the seats), I cannot see how to do this, e.g. to select an ILS freq during approach. See below:-

  

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Reply #31 - Jun 27th, 2012 at 11:11pm
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NAV/RAD on the FMC and entered using the 4th button on the left
  

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Reply #32 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 1:17am
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Mark, Your Nav radios are showing on the center FMC in your picture. VOR L and VOR R at the top in green. ADF L and ADF R below that in blue. The ILS frequency and bearing are in white below that on the left, although your pic just shows PARK because no ILS is selected.

You can call up that screen any time by pressing NAV/RAD on the FMC. Although the FMC automatically selects the nearest stations, you can enter your desired frequency in the scratchpad and then click the button next to the frequency you want to replace. Obviously you can't enter an ILS frequency in VOR or you'll get an error. The .4 version of the 777 can intercept and fly the approach path with the autopilot set to APP, but I have not yet seen the ILS display on the ND. Hopefully in the next version.

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Reply #33 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 3:31am
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marknixon wrote on Jun 27th, 2012 at 10:33pm:
Yes, I have a slight understanding of the VNAV system: As far as I know, it's supposed to follow the altitudes entered in the FMC, so that after passing any waypoint it will start to change altitude if this is called for by the next entry. But it doesn't seem to be doing this...

Should VNAV be left in the 'ON' state during a whole FMC-controlled flight?


Essentially yes, it should be. I had a talk with a Southwest pilot earlier this year after a flight, and inquired about their autopilot procedures. They usually engage at about 1000ft, usually engaging LNAV and VNAV, and this is until they are towards the final legs of the approach. Obviously this is a 737, but it's similar here. The one important factor that I forgot to mention is that the altitude put in the MCP is crucial.

Let's imagine here for a minute or two. You are doing a flight with ATC, under IFR rules, upon clearance, and you are given an instruction similar, if not the same to "Climb and maintain 5000ft, expect FL 360 10 (One zero) minutes after departure". So what you would do is put 5000 into the altitude selector in the MCP. This then tells the VNAV system to follow the set climb up to 5000ft. After takeoff, and a handoff or two, you would be given a higher altitude, and at that point you would put that altitude into the MCP. If you already leveled out at 5000ft, you might have to engage the Climb Intervention, which is done usually by pushing the MCP altitude selector knob (not sure though). For the sack of simplicity though, I recommend putting your cruising altitude into the MCP altitude selector on the ground. If you leave it at 10000ft, you will just climb to 10000ft and level out, and you are not required to use ATC to fly this plane, I am just trying to explain the real world use of this.

The VNAV needs instructions of how high or low it can fly, and that is what the altitude selector is for. You might not be using a set vertical speed for the climb, but it tells the plane how much to climb or descend. You can do the same at cruising altitude for descent, using the legs page to find the lowest even (2000, 2100, 2200 ft) altitude, or just try to aim for 2000ft above the airport's ground altitude, or even go lower. That might be why it is not working.

Feel free to ask any questions, or for anyone to correct me if I am wrong anywhere. I'm not a trained professional in this, just an enthusiast, so...

Anyway,
Happy Landings,
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Reply #34 - Jun 28th, 2012 at 5:18pm
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Just to add what the guys said before: VNAV (Vertical Navigation) and LNAV (Lateral Navigation) are dependent on the altitude constraints and waypoints in the FMC.

If you input on the MCP 36000 feet, the MCP 36000 feet and there is a altitude constraint in a waypoint that we shall call XYXYX of 9000 feet, if you have the VNAV mode engaged, it will not climb above 9000 feet before passing the waypoint and after passing it will start climbing again to the next constraint if there is one.

The pilot doesn't need to input anything in this case, it does it automatically.

When using FL CH (Flight Level change) it will climb to the altitude input  in the MCP taking in account only the speed in the MCP and not in the FMC.

It will also climb at the maximum climb rate for the speed on the MCP.
  
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Reply #35 - Jun 29th, 2012 at 12:25am
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Thanks to 'Lost in Isaan', 'Saratoga', 'tjh876' & 'eduardotgjunior' !

That was all very helpful. I was put off by the word 'PARK', which is hardly intuitive for a point to add an ILS freq...

It was also interesting to hear that Southwest pilots habitually engage both LNAV & VNAV shortly after takeoff.

If I've got it correctly, with VNAV selected, the altitude shown in the FMC for that segment supplants the altitude chosen in the MCP.

On the other hand, FL CH climbs or descends to the altitude selected in the MCP at the speed shown in the MCP.
  

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Reply #36 - Jun 29th, 2012 at 5:19am
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VNAV and FLCH normally do not function below 400 feet AGL.

VNAV flies the vertical route programmed into the FMC. In VNAV mode, when reaching an altitude set in the MCP, the plane will go into ALT hold at that level, VNAV will go off and A/T mode will come on. To continue in VNAV, put a higher altitude in the MCP or set it to zero.

FLCH uses pitch to control speed as the plane climbs or descends. FLCH works with both the set speed and the set altitude on the MCP.

When entering a VOR or ILS, you can enter the frequency or the identifier such as SEA or BTG.

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Reply #37 - Jun 29th, 2012 at 5:24am
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Autopilot MCP Suggestion

The heading knob on the MCP is difficult to use with a mouse. It is very easy to inadvertently change something else, such as the SEL button. Here is my recommendation:
Bank Angle - Controlled by right and left clicks
Heading - Controlled by rotating the mouse wheel
SELect button - Controlled by middle mouse button

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #38 - Jun 29th, 2012 at 1:48pm
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I agree about the knobs on the MCP,they could use some adjustment,especially the heading knob,and the altitude knob, because in the middle of a turn I always end up clicking on the bank angle when the aircraft is in a certain position  in a turn which sometimes throws me off my heading and as I already lose my NAV line I have to guess and fly around in circles to adjust it.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #39 - Jun 29th, 2012 at 11:01pm
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Saratoga: Good to have that detailed explanation of VNAV & FLCH. I'll try to remember it all on my next flight with the 777-200.  Wink

Quote: 'When entering a VOR or ILS, you can enter the frequency or the identifier such as SEA or BTG."

If the freq has already been entered, the identifier cannot be either added or substituted.

I agree with Saratoga and oskiatl that the heading and altitude knobs are difficult to use, especially if the aircraft isn't flying straight & level - the panel moves due to 'G' forces, making it almost impossible to keep the mouse pointer on target.  Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #40 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 1:29am
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marknixon wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 11:01pm:
Quote: 'When entering a VOR or ILS, you can enter the frequency or the identifier such as SEA or BTG."

If the freq has already been entered, the identifier cannot be either added or substituted.

Mark, The FMC will always show the frequency of the VOR. What I meant was that if you can't remember the frequency of a VOR, but you do remember the identifier, you can just enter the identifier and the FMC will find the frequency for you and set the radio accordingly.
  
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Saratoga wrote on Jun 30th, 2012 at 1:29am:
The FMC will always show the frequency of the VOR. What I meant was that if you can't remember the frequency of a VOR, but you do remember the identifier, you can just enter the identifier and the FMC will find the frequency for you and set the radio accordingly.
Does this work in the CS 777 FMC? Sorry. But I haven't tried it because I'm doing a flight in the CS 757-200 at the moment.
  

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Reply #42 - Jun 30th, 2012 at 11:50am
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Saratoga wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 5:24am:
The heading knob on the MCP is difficult to use with a mouse. It is very easy to inadvertently change something else, such as the SEL button. Here is my recommendation:
Bank Angle - Controlled by right and left clicks
Heading - Controlled by rotating the mouse wheel
SELect button - Controlled by middle mouse button

Since writing the above I note that the heading can be changed by holding down the right and left mouse buttons. The SELect button does not respond to this, so it eliminates accidentally pressing it. I still think that rotating the mouse wheel is the best and most realistic implementation of changing the heading.

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Saratoga wrote on Jun 30th, 2012 at 11:50am:
Saratoga wrote on Jun 29th, 2012 at 5:24am:
The heading knob on the MCP is difficult to use with a mouse. It is very easy to inadvertently change something else, such as the SEL button. Here is my recommendation:
Bank Angle - Controlled by right and left clicks
Heading - Controlled by rotating the mouse wheel
SELect button - Controlled by middle mouse button

Since writing the above I note that the heading can be changed by holding down the right and left mouse buttons. The SELect button does not respond to this, so it eliminates accidentally pressing it. I still think that rotating the mouse wheel is the best and most realistic implementation of changing the heading.

Ben

That's where all our wants/preferences get personal. You see I prefer the right and left mouse clicking to rotate the heading knob because I find it easier than the mouse wheel. It is only because of the VC eyepoint motion that the mouse pointer loses focus on the heading knob and suddenly starts changing the maximum bank angle, but I understand the frustration when it happens. You can turn the head motion OFF in the cameras.cfg if you wanted to.

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Reply #44 - Jul 1st, 2012 at 6:44pm
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You are right that it is a personal preference. I am OK with the right and left buttons for the heading, although still prefer the mouse wheel. Since the mouse as a nonstop wheel and the heading knob is also a nonstop wheel, there is some connection between the two motions.

However, the heading is something that is changed frequently as ATC gives instructions. And the current implementation is quite unpleasant when the bank angle or SEL button get pressed instead. I won't turn off head motion as that is one of the points of realism of using the VC.

I suppose when the 2D MCP is finalized it will help with this although I'm not sure how the heading knob will be turned on that.

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I've tried using the mouse wheel to change the heading (and the altitude and the IAS...) but nothing happens at all. My mouse is a Logitech Performance MX (wireless) and the mouse wheel works perfectly with other programs (including FSX) where appropriate. Is there some 'trick' to make it work in the 777?

As for turning off head motion "...in the cameras.cfg.." - I can't find this file in either FSX\CAPTAIN SIM or in FSX\SIMOBJECTS\AIRPLANES\CS_B777-200. Where is it hiding?
  

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marknixon wrote on Jul 1st, 2012 at 9:44pm:
I've tried using the mouse wheel to change the heading (and the altitude and the IAS...) but nothing happens at all. My mouse is a Logitech Performance MX (wireless) and the mouse wheel works perfectly with other programs (including FSX) where appropriate. Is there some 'trick' to make it work in the 777?

As for turning off head motion "...in the cameras.cfg.." - I can't find this file in either FSX\CAPTAIN SIM or in FSX\SIMOBJECTS\AIRPLANES\CS_B777-200. Where is it hiding?

In my setup I can adjust the heading using either the mouse wheel or by holding down the right or left mouse buttons. This mouse wheel must be on the shaft of the heading knob in between the SEL button on top and the the bank angle knob below it. The mouse buttons will change the heading even when on the SEL button, which is a benefit for that method.

Regarding the head motion, I believe that is set in aircraft.cfg under the appropriate CameraDefinition. See this parameter:

MomentumEffect = YES

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Hi Ben,

Yes, I see where to put the mouse pointer for the wheel to change heading - but still nothing happens! Must be something about my setup. I'll have to be content with the mouse buttons, it seems.

I found the 'MomentumEffect' lines in Aircraft.cfg and have changed some of them to stop the head motion effect. There are two interesting things about the CameraDefinition sections:-

a) Although there are sections for "First Officer", "Overhead", "MCP", "CDU" & "Electronic Flight Bag" (and even 'remarked-out' sections for "Galley", "Passenger Seat" & "Aft Galley" - presumably these areas will be made available in v.1.00?), there is no section for "Captain".

b) The use, apparently randomly by whoever wrote the CameraDefinition sections, of YES/TRUE and NO/FALSE to indicate whether a particular line is active or not. Obviously FS doesn't 'mind' which of each pair is used!

  

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Reply #48 - Jul 3rd, 2012 at 1:17am
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marknixon wrote on Jul 2nd, 2012 at 10:47pm:
Hi Ben,

Yes, I see where to put the mouse pointer for the wheel to change heading - but still nothing happens! Must be something about my setup. I'll have to be content with the mouse buttons, it seems.

I found the 'MomentumEffect' lines in Aircraft.cfg and have changed some of them to stop the head motion effect. There are two interesting things about the CameraDefinition sections:-

a) Although there are sections for "First Officer", "Overhead", "MCP", "CDU" & "Electronic Flight Bag" (and even 'remarked-out' sections for "Galley", "Passenger Seat" & "Aft Galley" - presumably these areas will be made available in v.1.00?), there is no section for "Captain".

b) The use, apparently randomly by whoever wrote the CameraDefinition sections, of YES/TRUE and NO/FALSE to indicate whether a particular line is active or not. Obviously FS doesn't 'mind' which of each pair is used!


For A) Yes the "Galley" "Passenger Seat" and "Aft Galley" will be included with 1.0 (Those are the names of the PAX cabin wiews in the other CS aircraft. Also there is no "Captain" view because the actual "Virtual Cockpit" view is from the captains viewpoint.

B)Not sure why this is a big deal but shouldn't be hard to changge if it bothers you that much.
  

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Reply #49 - Jul 3rd, 2012 at 6:53pm
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fs_addict,

You misunderstood me.  Wink

I simply mentioned 'a)' & 'b)' as being "interesting" - they were not intended to be complaints... But in a) the omission of a CameraDefinition for the Captain position means there is no way to disable MomentumEffect for the "Virtual Cockpit" view. Unless you know a workaround for that?
  

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Ah, ok then sorry about that. My bad. Wink
  

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Reply #51 - Jul 4th, 2012 at 7:03am
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marknixon wrote on Jul 3rd, 2012 at 6:53pm:
fs_addict,

You misunderstood me.  Wink

I simply mentioned 'a)' & 'b)' as being "interesting" - they were not intended to be complaints... But in a) the omission of a CameraDefinition for the Captain position means there is no way to disable MomentumEffect for the "Virtual Cockpit" view. Unless you know a workaround for that?

You can disable the Momentum Effect by editing the Cameras.cfg (type this in the Run CMD box: %APPDATA%\Microsoft\FSX\Cameras.CFG to open it).

[CameraDefinition.002]
Title = Virtual Cockpit
Guid = {C95EAB58-9E4A-4E2A-A34C-D8D9D948F078}
Description = This is the description of the virtual cockpit view.
Origin = Virtual Cockpit
MomentumEffect = Yes
SnapPbhAdjust = Swivel
SnapPbhReturn = False
PanPbhAdjust = Swivel
PanPbhReturn = False
Track = None
ShowAxis = YES
AllowZoom = TRUE
InitialZoom = 0.7
SmoothZoomTime = 2.0
ZoomPanScalar = 1.0
ShowWeather = Yes
XyzAdjust = TRUE
ShowLensFlare=FALSE
Category = Cockpit
PitchPanRate=30
HeadingPanRate=75
PanAcceleratorTime=0
HotKeySelect=1


Then change MomentumEffect = Yes to MomentumEffect = NO and head motion in the main VC view will be OFF in ALL you aircraft, (default and addon). Except for the Airbus X. That is because of their adding HotkeySelect=1 to another view in the aircraft.cfg.
  

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Reply #52 - Jul 4th, 2012 at 12:54pm
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Hey,
After starting and setting up the A/P, I can never get the A/P button to work. I press it and no green light comes on. If I press Z, then the plane stays still and does not move. I cannot get to use LNAV and VNAV consequently.
EDIT: Figured out issue. Strangely though, I started at CYVR instead. I was fine except my gear didn't want to go up.
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Reply #53 - Jul 5th, 2012 at 9:14am
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Why does the A/P lose control if FSX is paused for any length of time, causing uncontrollable pitch-up resulting in an unrecoverable stall?
  

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Reply #55 - Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:26am
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V0.5
I can only change the heading (Heading Select mode) using the 2D MCP by clicking on the heading digits (numbers).
On the VC MCP, left or right mouse clicking on the knob makes it rotate, but the heading digits (numbers) don't move, so the heading is not changed. Edit: The knob was working properly on the VC MCP in v0.4
  

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Reply #56 - Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:56am
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Markoz wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:26am:
V0.5
I can only change the heading (Heading Select mode) using the 2D MCP by clicking on the heading digits (numbers).
On the VC MCP, left or right mouse clicking on the knob makes it rotate, but the heading digits (numbers) don't move, so the heading is not changed.



I too have the same exact issue, very repeatable.  for sure a bug, not sure how they managed to miss this one in the release.
  

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Reply #57 - Jul 7th, 2012 at 7:30am
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Shabo wrote on Jul 7th, 2012 at 5:56am:
Markoz wrote on Jul 6th, 2012 at 8:26am:
V0.5
I can only change the heading (Heading Select mode) using the 2D MCP by clicking on the heading digits (numbers).
On the VC MCP, left or right mouse clicking on the knob makes it rotate, but the heading digits (numbers) don't move, so the heading is not changed.



I too have the same exact issue, very repeatable.  for sure a bug, not sure how they managed to miss this one in the release.

Hi Shabo. Just remember that the 777 is still in Step II: Experimental - release of essential components (e.g. exterior model + VC + systems + sounds) in flyable (beta) condition. Version 0.X, and not the Step III: 1.0 - an official and complete public release.
  

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well aware that we all bought a "alpha" release at best.  Just adding the bugs that I find so that if and when the actual release hits it wont be filled with so many bugs.  But thanks for the reminder.  Wink
  

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Reply #59 - Jul 7th, 2012 at 7:49am
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Shabo wrote on Jul 7th, 2012 at 7:40am:
well aware that we all bought a "alpha" release at best.  Just adding the bugs that I find so that if and when the actual release hits it wont be filled with so many bugs.  But thanks for the reminder.  Wink

Sorry Shabo, I just wanted to be sure you were aware because there seem to be a lot who are not.

Funnily enough, the Heading knob on the VC MCP was working correctly in v0.4. But I forgot to say that in my post when I reported it. Sad
  

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Reply #60 - Jul 7th, 2012 at 6:07pm
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No worries bud.  Ive been following this 777 since they made the first hint years ago that they were going to make this beast.  I can say that overall, for an alpha, its not half bad and way better then anything else out there for us, right?  Smiley
  

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Reply #61 - Jul 11th, 2012 at 8:05am
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I've been out of town but flew the .5 version for a few hours tonight. I like the looks of the new 2D MCP although for me the VC is really what needs to work right, and unfortunately the heading knob got broken between .4 and .5.

1. Heading display on VC can only be changed from 2D panel. Rotating the heading knob does nothing except it presses SEL which disconnects LNAV.
2. Knobs on 2D panel are different colors. On the pics of real 777s they are all the same color.
3. Why should rotating the mouse wheel click the button on the end of the knob (such as SEL)? That should be operated by a simple mouse click, not a wheel. I realize that the manual has the wheel changing those buttons, but it is not realistic and it can lead to inadvertently clicking a button.
4. Heading and altitude in 2D be changed by spinning the wheel on the numbers. The same action should work on the VC, but it doesn't.

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Reply #63 - Aug 9th, 2012 at 12:45am
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There are several problems I am experiencing with the MCP:
1. AP engages but does not disengage.  AP works in all modes and performs well on autoland.  However, cannot disengage.
2. AT engages but does not accelerate to TOGA setting.  Also AT does not remain set and does not permit aircraft to accelerate past 90kts.
3. AT will not disengage from MCP.
4. No issues with FLCH, SPD intervention, LNAV/VNAV engages and disengages correctly, no issues with vertical speed or ALT HOLD.

Mouse clicks, keyboard commands, nothing seems to make AP/AT disengage.

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whenever i turn autopilot on i cant turn it off does anyone know a solution?
  

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777pilot wrote on Aug 10th, 2012 at 8:59am:
whenever i turn autopilot on i cant turn it off does anyone know a solution?

Take a look on page 21 of ‘777 Captain’ FLIGHT MANUAL Part II – Aircraft Systems (csx777_manual2.pdf).
There is also an A/P disconnect button on the VC and 2D MCP (see attached image).
  

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Reply #67 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 12:00am
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Reply #68 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 8:52pm
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i have the new 0.7 Service Pack and when i click Flight Level Change on the Auto Pilot with the Auto Throttles already on, they do not respond unless i click A/T which turns off the Flight Level Change bug. why is this happening?
  
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Reply #69 - Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:55pm
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Hi
I have the cs B777  version .7 .
I allways know that the 777's ALT knob is able to be pushed in order to let the Vnav climb or decsend the plane to a specific altitude and waypoint.  This plane ( CS ) don't have it.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #70 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 11:50pm
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How come when i click Flight level Change, the A/T bug turns off but if i click A/T, the FL change bug turns off. and the throttle are wherever i put them on FL change and they do not move. i have to use VNAV but i cannot fix the speed manually through VNAV without going through the FMC. Huh
  
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Reply #71 - Aug 13th, 2012 at 11:51pm
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How come when i click Flight level Change, the A/T bug turns off but if i click A/T, the FL change bug turns off. and the throttle are wherever i put them on FL change and they do not move. i have to use VNAV but i cannot fix the speed manually through VNAV without going through the FMC. Huh
  
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Reply #72 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 11:49am
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Es imposible aterrizar siguiendo la senda de planeo, mi 777 es practicamente incontrolable.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #73 - Aug 16th, 2012 at 5:25pm
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If I try to use the autopilot for only altitude hold (autothrottle is also armed and A/T speed is enabled) I find that it is impossible to smoothly control heading manually. The VC yokes jitter all the time, and one is constantly fighting a left bank. It is like the plane wants to turn to some heading, but the MCP heading hold button is off, and heading select has not been pushed.

If I then turn off the autopilot, I can fly smoothly with manual aileron input. Then one also has to control altitude manually, but it is extremely hard to get her manually trimmed to maintain a specific altitude.

Robin
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #74 - Aug 25th, 2012 at 5:09pm
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My ILS is not working. I pushed the APP button and the plane didn't establish with the localizer.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #75 - Aug 26th, 2012 at 5:11pm
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In 0.7 I am still having problems with the MCP heading and speed setting knobs, and I think (unless I am the only one having these issues) that CS needs to look at these again.

The heading setting - one mouse click should adjust the heading by one degree (left click one degree decrease, right click one degree increase). But the actual behaviour is inconsistent; sometimes one click = one degree, sometimes have to click two, three or even four times to get a one degree change in the digits shown in the MCP window.

Similar problems with the IAS setting, only results can be more disastrous / stressful. Sometimes trying to set the approach speed and click-click-clicking to get the speed set quick enough, the button will "runaway" and start dialing rapidly down until when / if one can stop it one has a speed set way below VREF, and its a frantic effort to dial back up again (without getting the opposite happening and ending up with a 300Kt approach speed!). I am very scared to use the middle mouse button to quickly dial in the speed, as this invariably results in a runaway speed change. If each "ratchet" on the middle mouse button = 1Kt change it would be fine.

Same happens trying to dial up speed on take-off to a flaps-up ref speed - end up blasting through speed restrictions, or in trying to correct that, getting way below V2.

Poor old Jean_Claude, my new MCE co-pilot, really thought he was going to die taking off from WSSS today when the IAS knob misbehaved. First he reprimanded me to get flaps up now because speed was rocketing quickly above flap-retraction speed. That sorted and trying to dial speed back down I found myself frantically having to correct a 100Kt setting (V2 was 140) "Captain we are going to stall! What are you doing!". Case of AT off, Ram throttles full forward, pitch level, and hope for recovery! We made it Smiley.

Wish I could have told him "Hey we are test pilots! Don't panic like that! Stay cool Cool"

Robin
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #76 - Aug 26th, 2012 at 8:00pm
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Fawii wrote on Aug 11th, 2012 at 9:55pm:
Hi
I have the cs B777  version .7 .
I allways know that the 777's ALT knob is able to be pushed in order to let the Vnav climb or decsend the plane to a specific altitude and waypoint.  This plane ( CS ) don't have it.

Fawii, Use the FL CH button after setting the new altitude. In VNAV mode, the A/P will always hold the setting in the MCP. Ben
  
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Reply #77 - Sep 7th, 2012 at 10:03pm
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Reply #78 - Oct 3rd, 2012 at 12:35pm
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The AP works fine, the problem I am having is when I setup the route the T7 does not follow it. Is this problem going to be resolve when .09 is activated? Need help. Other than this problem I am havng the T7 is an excellent bird!
  
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Reply #79 - Oct 10th, 2012 at 10:41pm
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BEYOND THIS POINT PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU ARE ON  VERSION 0.9
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #80 - Oct 11th, 2012 at 12:55am
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Auto-Pilot is very unrealistic because the plane will climb at 10,000 feet per minute and ignore the speed restriction on VNAV and will just have a climb that resembles the Concorde, i have talked to real 777 pilots and this is not how the plane climbs even if it is very light. Also the throttles are very sensitive and spool up way to quickly than what a 777 really does.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #81 - Oct 11th, 2012 at 2:24am
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@ deltaboy1996. Mine doesn't climb like that. On my first flight, it climbed at about 5000 fpm and 250 knots until 10000 feet (it was light as I was only doing a short flight), after that, it climbed at a lower VS and at about 300 knots until Cruise Altitude. Undecided
  

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #82 - Oct 11th, 2012 at 2:57am
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Deltaboy, I've noticed that, but it was more or less because of me, not the plane (I never knew I could reach 6000ft so fast). The GE90s are powerful engines, up to 115,000lb of  thrust, and there is some throttle management that needs to be done. The VNAV system seemed fairly realistic in terms of climbing for me, and it slows down for the 10,000ft speed restriction.

Also, note that the realistic flight model has yet to be implemented, so it will not act entirely like the real thing. Wait until v1, and see how it climbs.

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Reply #83 - Oct 11th, 2012 at 4:29am
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Will need to test more, but when I pressed the HDG HOLD on the 2D MCP, the textures suddenly corrupted, like a double image. After a few minutes of flying it cleared itself.

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #84 - Oct 11th, 2012 at 4:54am
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Saratoga wrote on Oct 11th, 2012 at 4:29am:
Will need to test more, but when I pressed the HDG HOLD on the 2D MCP, the textures suddenly corrupted, like a double image. After a few minutes of flying it cleared itself.

Ben

Try a full reinstall and see if that clears things up.
  

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #85 - Oct 13th, 2012 at 1:06pm
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I just noticed that nothing happens when I turn the barometric selector knob. This happening to anyone else?
  

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #86 - Oct 13th, 2012 at 1:17pm
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LOLcakes wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
I just noticed that nothing happens when I turn the barometric selector knob. This happening to anyone else?

+1 Same here.
  

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Reply #87 - Oct 14th, 2012 at 2:36pm
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Markoz wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 1:17pm:
LOLcakes wrote on Oct 13th, 2012 at 1:06pm:
I just noticed that nothing happens when I turn the barometric selector knob. This happening to anyone else?

+1 Same here.


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Reply #88 - Oct 15th, 2012 at 4:12am
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I have a question for the optics of the displays. The ads by Altitude etc. act partly unrealistic for me. They act from the "Font" wrong and too big. Or deceive me that?

Greetings

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Reply #89 - Oct 24th, 2012 at 6:36am
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Just tried to do a flight from RKSI to KLAX. Entered the flight plan into the fmc but the plane wants to fly WEST to get to waypoints on the EAST side of the international date line. The aircraft got right to the dateline and did an immediate 180.  You have got to be kidding me!!  Just for kicks I loaded the EXACT same flight plan into not only the CS757 but the LEvel delta 767 as well as the POppa mike delta gulf 747 and had zero issues. Comon CS. this is a pretty simple route. Sure hope this doesn't go unfixed. This route is the only reason I bought this aircraft. I also noticed that on EVERY SINGLE flight the aircraft can NOT hold the magenta flight path in the PFD. Any reason why?  Not very happy with the current state of this aircraft. Back to the hanger it goes until maybe CS fixes the dozens of bugs.  Angry
  

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Reply #90 - Oct 24th, 2012 at 7:09am
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Flying KSFO-OMDB in the LR, from 7040N to 7020N the plane would not follow the route on LNAV. I tried to switch to heading select mode to turn the aircraft and that did not work either. I disconnected the A/P and turned the aircraft manually, then engaged the A/P and turned LNAV back on. It looks like it is following the flight plan again. During the time I was trying to fix it I also tried switching to TRUE heading to see if that would fix it (it didn't).

I'm not sure if this is a bug on the aircraft and could happen at anytime, or if it has to do with me being way up north.
  

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #91 - Oct 25th, 2012 at 5:32pm
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Fawii wrote on Aug 25th, 2012 at 5:09pm:
My ILS is not working. I pushed the APP button and the plane didn't establish with the localizer.


You need to use the LOC button to establish the localizer, once established then press the APP button when the Glide Slope is active. That said, I've seen a new problem. The Glide Slope seems to be backwards. I was coming into KMCO runway 35R about 23 miles out at 1600ft. The G/S indicated I was too high (The indicator on the bottom)? Sure enough closer in the G/S rose to intersect, where I was actually below it it should have dropped to intersect (Indicator on the top). I'll try to get a video sample of it!
  
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Reply #92 - Oct 25th, 2012 at 5:46pm
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Ill be on approach into VHHH ILS 7R in about an hour I will see if I have the same results as you TF
  

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Reply #93 - Nov 8th, 2012 at 3:18am
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0.9 Just had a look at my MCP inside the VC LNAV VNAV are are on with no speed showing. Shift + 2 MCP its showing speed 230 LNAV VNAV are still on
  
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Reply #94 - Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:01am
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Pretty sure the speed display blanks out when vnav is engaged? Correct me if I'm wrong.
  

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Reply #95 - Nov 10th, 2012 at 1:06am
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LOLcakes wrote on Nov 9th, 2012 at 11:01am:
Pretty sure the speed display blanks out when vnav is engaged? Correct me if I'm wrong.
The speed display on the 2D MCP (SHIFT+8) doesn't blank out for me either.
  

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Reply #96 - Jan 13th, 2013 at 9:38am
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I love the plane. It's Great! I have noticed a small problem though and i don't know if maybe im doing it wrong but does anyone have the issue when you are on final approach and speeds are 190 knots with full flaps, does your 777-200 stall completely? and what is the correct speeds for final approach if i have my speeds wrong?.

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Any help is appreciated
  
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Reply #97 - Jan 13th, 2013 at 12:25pm
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WayneG7154 wrote on Jan 13th, 2013 at 9:38am:
I love the plane. It's Great! I have noticed a small problem though and i don't know if maybe im doing it wrong but does anyone have the issue when you are on final approach and speeds are 190 knots with full flaps, does your 777-200 stall completely? and what is the correct speeds for final approach if i have my speeds wrong?.

Thanks,

Any help is appreciated


190 knots is a bit fast for landing... it shouldn't stall. If you moved the throttles it might cause the autothrottle to malfunction?
  

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Reply #98 - Jan 23rd, 2013 at 6:49pm
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Reply #99 - Jan 24th, 2013 at 5:37am
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something changed with the AT... in 0.9 both L & R switches were independent of each other, two clicks, now they work as one(is this somehow related to this VNAV issues?)

Not sure what it has to do with...just an observation.
  

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Reply #100 - Jan 24th, 2013 at 6:33am
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Villan wrote on Nov 8th, 2012 at 3:18am:
0.9 Just had a look at my MCP inside the VC LNAV VNAV are are on with no speed showing. Shift + 2 MCP its showing speed 230 LNAV VNAV are still on


It's possible that's the way CS implemented the Speed intervene function? They did something similar with the latest updates to the 757/767. Normally Speed Intervene should work by pulling the speed control knob (Usually implemented by a right mouse click) That doesn't work with the 757/767 or at least in the 777 ver 0.9 (I haven't got a chance to check 1.0 yet!) So the way CS implemented it on the 757/767 was on the 2D panel. You would right click the speed knob, which would make the speed visible both in the 2D and 3D panels. Then you can change the speed on the 3D panel while still in VNAV.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #101 - Jan 26th, 2013 at 3:58am
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Great aircraft with version 1.0.  I love it.
I'm having a little problem and just wanted to throw it out here.
• when I push VNAV with a higher altitude in the MCP, the aircraft drops its nose and descends. I have to quickly select Alt HOLD, then climb with VS.
It seemed to work better yesterday, so I don't know what is the reason.

Of course it flies very good using LNAV and VS, then just dialing in the speed to climb.
For me it follows LNAV path perfectly and maintains speed pretty good.
  
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Reply #102 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 1:30am
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MCP altitude in AUTO mode always changes altitude in 100 foot steps.  I believe it should switch to 1000 ft steps automatically.
  
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Reply #103 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 2:08am
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kevinh wrote on Jan 28th, 2013 at 1:30am:
MCP altitude in AUTO mode always changes altitude in 100 foot steps.  I believe it should switch to 1000 ft steps automatically.

100/1000 step ring at base of ALT knob has to be switched manually. I don't think it can be rotated another way.

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Reply #104 - Jan 28th, 2013 at 7:12pm
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Saratoga wrote on Jan 28th, 2013 at 2:08am:
kevinh wrote on Jan 28th, 2013 at 1:30am:
MCP altitude in AUTO mode always changes altitude in 100 foot steps.  I believe it should switch to 1000 ft steps automatically.

100/1000 step ring at base of ALT knob has to be switched manually. I don't think it can be rotated another way.

Ben

I know that, but that wasn't what I meant.  What should happen in AUTO is that the altitude steps switch from 100' to 1000' automatically.  At present in AUTO the steps are always 100'.

If you have 1000 selected it always steps in 1000' increments, which is correct.
  
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Reply #105 - Feb 1st, 2013 at 3:24am
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Bugs
  • VNAV . . .
  • Mach number scrolling is very slow
  • FLCH min a/t is 27% but A/T min a/t is 41% (too high). Why the discrepancy?
  • Sometimes switches randomly from IAS to Mach

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Reply #106 - Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:48pm
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The enitre MCP (Autopilot Board) does not light up, I can click the buttons, but the buttons do not light up to indicate they are on, the PFD says LNAV and VNAV, but thats it. Also the 2D panel doesnt show up, at all, tried everything I know of. Version 1.0.
  
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Reply #107 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 1:05am
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mpochylko wrote on Feb 12th, 2013 at 10:48pm:
The enitre MCP (Autopilot Board) does not light up, I can click the buttons, but the buttons do not light up to indicate they are on, the PFD says LNAV and VNAV, but thats it. Also the 2D panel doesnt show up, at all, tried everything I know of. Version 1.0.


The 777 does not have a 2D Panel
  

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Reply #108 - Feb 13th, 2013 at 1:50am
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ok, well all of the other windows that pop up "clickable menu pop ups" are all just a small black screen.
  
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Reply #109 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 6:34pm
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autothrottle not engage ??!!
  
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Reply #110 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 9:03pm
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When you select VNAV mode, the MCP IAS window blanks, correctly, but the PFD magenta speed command bug doesn't respond to changes in FMC IAS commands.  The autopilot responds correctly but the bug remains where it was when you engaged VNAV.  If you select a mode where the MCP IAS selection is visible (FLCH for example) the magenta bug updates to the displayed value.  

It looks as if the bug is being driven by the displayed MCP IAS value, not the currently active IAS command.

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Reply #111 - Feb 15th, 2013 at 11:13pm
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kevinh wrote on Feb 15th, 2013 at 9:03pm:
When you select VNAV mode, the MCP IAS window blanks, correctly, but the PFD magenta speed command bug doesn't respond to changes in FMC IAS commands.  The autopilot responds correctly but the bug remains where it was when you engaged VNAV.  If you select a mode where the MCP IAS selection is visible (FLCH for example) the magenta bug updates to the displayed value.  

It looks as if the bug is being driven by the displayed MCP IAS value, not the currently active IAS command.

Kevin



The IAS should be commanded by the FMS in VNAV. Since speed restrictions in the FMS are not adhered to, either you're right, Kevin (IAS source is MCP erroneously), or the IAS source is the FMS (which would be correct), but the FMS is screwed up ...
  

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mollau wrote on Feb 15th, 2013 at 11:13pm:
kevinh wrote on Feb 15th, 2013 at 9:03pm:
When you select VNAV mode, the MCP IAS window blanks, correctly, but the PFD magenta speed command bug doesn't respond to changes in FMC IAS commands.  The autopilot responds correctly but the bug remains where it was when you engaged VNAV.  If you select a mode where the MCP IAS selection is visible (FLCH for example) the magenta bug updates to the displayed value.  

It looks as if the bug is being driven by the displayed MCP IAS value, not the currently active IAS command.

Kevin



The IAS should be commanded by the FMS in VNAV. Since speed restrictions in the FMS are not adhered to, either you're right, Kevin (IAS source is MCP erroneously), or the IAS source is the FMS (which would be correct), but the FMS is screwed up ...

As the ISA bug moves as soon as you select a different mode then it's the bug that's wrong (though VNAV is also messed up of course).  If you select FLCH it will use current IAS as the target.  That will be the current IAS the FMS is commanding and the bug suddenly moves from where it was before as soon as the MCP IAS is displayed.

Another variation of this I noticed just now is if you switch from IAS to MACH on the MCP.  The bug stays at the last IAS you selected. If you change the MACH selection the bug doesn't move (though the AP and A/T respond correctly.
  
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I don't know if this is the right forum to do it, but I've been having problems with the autothrottle on both the 772 and 773 spooling up for no apparent reason. It happens when I'm climbing and descending. I have to manually control the throttles to get them under control. It happens even when I'm descending at the target speed. Could anyone help? Thanks!
  
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anthonywalsh wrote on Feb 17th, 2013 at 7:44pm:
I don't know if this is the right forum to do it, but I've been having problems with the autothrottle on both the 772 and 773 spooling up for no apparent reason. It happens when I'm climbing and descending. I have to manually control the throttles to get them under control. It happens even when I'm descending at the target speed. Could anyone help? Thanks!

There is a problem with the AT fighting with your joystick throttle. My Saitek X52 does this. The solution for me is to leave joystick in idle throttle or full throttle.

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Turning on the auto throttle is a nightmare, it would flicker on and off before takeoff.
  

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Turning on the auto throttle is a nightmare, it would flicker on and off before takeoff.

Are you trying to takeoff after having just landed from a flight?  If yes, then you need to reset the logic by switching the Flight Director off and on.

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I don't know if this is the right forum to do it, but I've been having problems with the autothrottle on both the 772 and 773 spooling up for no apparent reason ...

Further to Saratoga's excellent contribution, I would add that, if the problem is the joystick throttle, you can disable that completely.  Go into the controls area of FSX to where you can find the joystick assignments.  Find the throttle assignment then delete it.  That is what I have done.

I prefer to use the keyboard keys for throttle increase/decrease increments.  I find that I have more awareness of how much input I am having that way.

  
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Altitude intervention and speed intervention aren't possible at the moment.  You should be able to push the IAS and ALT selector knobs to get this function.  Also the IAS and ALT knobs on the 2D MCP have an index mark which shouldn't be there.
  
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Daddns wrote on Feb 21st, 2013 at 2:39am:
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Turning on the auto throttle is a nightmare, it would flicker on and off before takeoff.

Are you trying to takeoff after having just landed from a flight?  If yes, then you need to reset the logic by switching the Flight Director off and on.

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I don't know if this is the right forum to do it, but I've been having problems with the autothrottle on both the 772 and 773 spooling up for no apparent reason ...

Further to Saratoga's excellent contribution, I would add that, if the problem is the joystick throttle, you can disable that completely.  Go into the controls area of FSX to where you can find the joystick assignments.  Find the throttle assignment then delete it.  That is what I have done.

I prefer to use the keyboard keys for throttle increase/decrease increments.  I find that I have more awareness of how much input I am having that way.


Your not the only one thats having problems with the auto throttle. I just done a 15 hour flight my 1st long one with LNAV and VNAV working. After flying for over 1000nm and lots of waypoints the auto throttle was working it should of and then speed. Then it just went retarted power up to 100% and as fast as it can go and with the more fuel it burnt the faster it went. Now this is under LNAV VNAV and auto throttle on and it just shows this plane still has lots of bugs and big ones.

And you should not have to delete your joystick just to fly this thing with $700 in flight controls in front of me there is no way ill be flying with a keyboard.
  
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Reply #119 - Mar 1st, 2013 at 9:10pm
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I too cannot engage the autothrottle. The A/T Arm switch flickers a few times every time I try to engage it.

Edit: It works with the VNAV. It flickers when I don't use VNAV.
  

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This also happens to me. I figured out how to make it work. Turn on the FD and then turn it off. Then turn on the auto throttle switch. if it does it again, repeat the process. Usually, you have to do it 3 times to get the auto throttle to work.



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Would it be possible or agreeable that the heading select dial doesn't function all that well. I have a hard time with it, has a tendency to take off right before I get to my heading. I would like it function more like the 757 or 767...in which (I think) the wheel spins the heading bug fast and L/R buttons dial it in. Whatever the case...
I hope to see some more continuity with the boeing mcp's in general, would be nice.

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there is no flight path and the plane goes to its destination i set the screen to map(only on 200LR)
  

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Hello,
When I fly in the 777 or 767 from KIAD to KJFK my airplane always turns to the left at the same point, CAMRN (In a STAR) why does the airplane do this an how can I fix this? The purple line also disappears.

Thanks for the help!
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Reply #125 - May 7th, 2013 at 12:43am
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Greetings,

It's been awhile since I've tried the 777-200 and upon start up, I got the update notice so I shut down FSX and installed the most recent update.  Wow, what a huge difference - the instrumentation is looking great!  (The PFD was missing lots of data last time I flew it)

However -

My Captain's flight director switch won't engage.  First Officer switch works OK.  I've tried on both VC and 2D panels.  The switch just blinks and then reverts to it's off position.  What's really weird is the MCP will still fly the airplane, I don't have any of the flickering auto throttle issues mentioned above.      Huh

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faster number change on the windows. Changing the heading and speed takes forever. The altitude is okay but could be faster as well. (changing to 1000 helps, but it's still a bit too slow)

A/P Doesn't disengage. Even with pilot control input, the thing wouldn't turn off. The APP/LOC is the a little okay but still needs to be messed with a few times to turn it off too.

  

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Reply #127 - Jul 6th, 2013 at 8:07am
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Hello everybody  Smiley

My iusses at Patch 1.1

- Speed selector knob ( VNAV speed intervene)  and altitude selector knob are still unclickable.
- The A/T knob doesen't engage, when you push the TO/GA knob at the thrustlever.
- At 400 ft AGL the speed indicator window doesn't blank out, when the VNAV Mode get active

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Reply #128 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 6:58am
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Hendrixsrv wrote on Jul 1st, 2013 at 8:01pm:
faster number change on the windows. Changing the heading and speed takes forever. The altitude is okay but could be faster as well. (changing to 1000 helps, but it's still a bit too slow)

A/P Doesn't disengage. Even with pilot control input, the thing wouldn't turn off. The APP/LOC is the a little okay but still needs to be messed with a few times to turn it off too.


You want the change of the numbers to be at light speed?

Personally I think that the 1000 mode on the Altitude Indicator is good. And although the Heading and Speed Indicators numbers could move a bit fast, I don't want them going to fast, otherwise you are chasing them back and forth just to get them to stop where you want/need them.

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Reply #129 - Jul 7th, 2013 at 4:54pm
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luuk asked...

Hello,
When I fly in the 777 or 767 from KIAD to KJFK my airplane always turns to the left at the same point, CAMRN (In a STAR) why does the airplane do this an how can I fix this? The purple line also disappears.

Thanks for the help!
Greetings


Have a look at the CAMRN arrival:

The arrival ends at the CAMRN intersection.
The expectation is radar vectors by New York approach control.
If no clearance is obtained prior to CAMRN intersection the arrival shows a hold at CAMRN.
That is why the plane is turning left and entering the hold.
The 221 degree radial from DPK is just to show what helps make CAMRN intersection.

Somewhere before reaching CAMRN intersection either heading select to follow radar vectors, or direct intercept to some point will stop the plane from entering the hold.

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Please Help me , i just install the 1.2 version for 777 200 and 300 and my plane is balancing in flight with the AP nervously  Cry
  
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I don't know if this will help, but it's worth a try.

In the aircraft.cfg, change this:

[Custom Autopilot]
AP_Roll_speed=3.91
AP_Roll_window=5.7
AP_Roll_controlstep=2825

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AP_Roll_speed=4
AP_Roll_window=7
AP_Roll_controlstep=1500

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thank you i'm trying this now  Lips Sealed
  
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it's works perfectly thank you a thousand time Grin Grin Grin Grin
  
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No Flare (1.2)

When landing on an ILS with AP in APP mode, there is still no flare in 1.2.

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Alt-Button is ok, But the speed and heading-buttons are so terrible. Sometimes they slow, other times too fast. Heading changes so fast without a stop.
  
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Just now, I failed to land due to the controller was locked. When I was on final approach in Changi Airport, everything looed fine and I enable autopilot and app mode. Unfortunately about 10 second before landed, my controller was not responding and the arrow on keyboard also cannot use at all.

I'd like to ask you guys that I used app mode in the wrong way, didnt I?
If I did wrong so how can I use it correctly.
Does app mode effect controller before landed on runway?
  
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Reply #139 - Aug 1st, 2013 at 11:56pm
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Pisitt,  by now I assume that you know how to program the FMC.
At the end of the flight, you must land.
AP on APP on, your speed around 145mph, flaps  20, you capture the ILS at an angle of 30 or less.  Alt 2500 over the runway.
Do not touch the control now AP does the flying. Once in the ILS
you only monitor two things : speed and flaps.
Once in the GS, flaps 25  speed reduce to 140
near the treshold flaps 30  speed 135
at 1500 the autoland will kick in
at the treshold the attitude should be nose up 1 or 2 degrees if your CG is right.  Autobrake #2
let it land, put your feet on the pedal in case of a hard crosswind in the roll.  Best put yourself in the control tower and see your plance touch down.

In autoland mode, do not make any manual correction.
Now you can fly it, show us you can land it
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Thank you a lot, i taught I had done it manually by controlling aircraft while app mode is on.
Does it still having attitude alert when auto pilot disable?
  
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I mean, doea it still having attitude alert when I dont use app mode?
  
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Pisitt,
if you refer to the cockpit voice calling the alt.
this feature is called autocalling and is not always available. In that case the pilot has to monitor the alt .

In the GS, the plane should be at 50' at the treshold.

in autoland, AT engaged, the system initiates the flare over the treshold, at 25' the power is retarded slowly to idle for touch down. AT stays on until you deactivate, the roll out is controlled by the loc.

VFR landing, AT deactivated, over the runway a flare is started and power retarded at the same time.  flare should last 4 to 8 seconds and at touch down 1000 to 2000 down the runway the power should be at idle  at touch down the nose should be up 4 to 5 degrees
the spoilers should have deployed and be ready for reverse T.

It is  also a question of experience at doing these things. The more manual landings, the better you will be. I, most of the time, deactivate the AP and AT at 200'. Once in a while, when it is so perfect, I let her autoland. Airliner pilots make one autoland every 90 days.

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Pisitt,  maybe a few more words.
to go VFR, make sure manual power matches the N1 of the AT.
watch the speed, it should be 135, dont let it degrade.

touch down should be -150fpm
dont overdo the flare for a perfect landing - there might be a danger of a tail strike. 4 to 5 degrees max and retard power for touch down.
there is a self satisfaction at landing this plane VFR
start in good weather - no crosswind.
in a crosswind, let the plane go in a crab - apply rudder before touch down to line up on the runway.  no aileron over the runway !!

The CFI says " practice makes perfect "

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Ok, By the way I had played X-plane 10 and infinite flight in ipad, I hope my skill from there could help me also. Thank you for helping me
  
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The plane wiggles in its travel through the air. When I disconnect the AP, the plane go steady, and I can control it.
Though I think that the plane feels more like a gamer aircraft than a flybywire 777. When I engage the AP again the AP accepts the coupling for some minutes but instead of harmonizing, the AP begins to wiggle again.
  

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@Blover:
Please stop talking about "mph".  The measurment of speed in aviation is "kts" = knots and beside distances are nm= nautic miles and not miles.
So the airspeed indicatet at your PFD in your B777 during final approach is 145kts.

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Julean wrote on Aug 3rd, 2013 at 8:44pm:
The plane wiggles in its travel through the air. When I disconnect the AP, the plane go steady, and I can control it.
Though I think that the plane feels more like a gamer aircraft than a flybywire 777. When I engage the AP again the AP accepts the coupling for some minutes but instead of harmonizing, the AP begins to wiggle again.

Change this:

[Custom Autopilot]
AP_Roll_speed=3.91
AP_Roll_window=5.7
AP_Roll_controlstep=2825


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[Custom Autopilot]
AP_Roll_speed=4
AP_Roll_window=7
AP_Roll_controlstep=1500


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@Blover:
Please stop talking about "mph".  The measurment of speed in aviation is "kts" = knots and beside distances are nm= nautic miles and not miles.
So the airspeed indicatet at your PFD in your B777 during final approach is 145kts.

cheers Galskiman

You are right !  Shame on me if I mislead the readers !
I apologize !
Stupid oversight !

When you see mph and miles in my prior posts, please understand kts and nm.  I will be more careful.

Touch down is still at -150fpm

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Reply #150 - Aug 4th, 2013 at 10:41pm
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Blover wrote on Aug 4th, 2013 at 1:29pm:
@Blover:
Please stop talking about "mph".  The measurment of speed in aviation is "kts" = knots and beside distances are nm= nautic miles and not miles.
So the airspeed indicatet at your PFD in your B777 during final approach is 145kts.

cheers Galskiman

You are right !  Shame on me if I mislead the readers !
I apologize !
Stupid oversight !

When you see mph and miles in my prior posts, please understand kts and nm.  I will be more careful.

Touch down is still at -150fpm

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Cry


Also with a plane like this you shouldn't use a set speed like 145kts as you instructed. Your approach speed should be based on the VREF speed (Based on flap setting) + 5kts if wind component is less than 10kts, VREF + 1/2 wind speed if wind is above 10kts headwind. (Crosswind wind component calculation is a little more complicated.)
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #151 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 1:48am
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Ed, I was trying to help a flyer land his plane.

At the end of any flight, with a high payload and low on fuel, a speed of 145kts with 20 degrees flap will work avery time.  135kts over the treshhold, actual touch down after the flare 130 and a few dust.
a beginner will fly in good weather and he does not need a wind component.

I installed my aircraft once each time ( new rel)
My plane is stable, does not wiggle, does not fly in circle
rock solid in the ILS and landing.
All my switches, knobs, buttons, rotaries work just fine.
I experienced two known bugs
1. After take off, when I engage AP, with Lnav and Vnav and AT armed
my airplane does not switch to clb T.

2. In flight, when Lnav is engaged, the wpt turns are rather jerky and unrealistic.

Otherwise it is a pretty good plane.

After a flight on a B757, landing at 2AM at KFLL, I asked the captain for his flight plan and flight prints.  He gave me the works.
He landed a fully loaded aircraft at 117kts
These Boeing planes fly good !!!

Vref speeds go with the weight of the aircraft and the FMC page will give speed with 20, 25 and 30 degrees of flap.  30  over the treshold.

End of story

Raymond    Boeing or nothing
KFLL  South Florida

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #152 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 7:03am
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@Blover : you are right the Boeing 777 is a beautiful and fantastic plane. BUT there are another two BIG bugs at the CS 777.

1.NO VNAV speed intervene
2.NO VNAV altitude intervene

CS doesn't put these two functions into the MCP. For this reason you can't operate the CS 777 MCP like a real 777 MCP. Its working ,yes, you can fly with it ok, it looks like a B777 MCP also ok, but it behave more than a Boeing 737 MCP than a 777 MCP Embarrassed  . Read the B777 FCOM and you know what I mean.

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #153 - Aug 5th, 2013 at 4:28pm
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Galskiman,

We have to be realistic in our expectations.
There is a large number of options and features that dont show in CS FMC.

In the derate of T.  there is 3 set up for TO on top of the temp.
3 also in the clb and GA -go around

10 or 12 set up for cruise T.  i.e. thust needed to meet ETA
Xtra long range cruise T. also arirliner link to further control the T.
I dont think we will ever see that.

If it dont exist, it is not a bug, it is a limitation.

Anything with the dynamic of flight should be fixed. Failing features in the FMC should be either fixed or revisited.

For the money we paid, it is a lot of plane !

After I read your post this morning, I got my B manuals out and paged through and read part of the FMC section. It is huge and very complex.
Again, what is our expectation ! As is we have a good glimpse of the B777, and it is pleasurable to fly !  I like it.

Happy landing !

Raymond    Boeing or nothing
KFLL  South Florida

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #154 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:26pm
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Galskiman wrote on Aug 5th, 2013 at 7:03am:
@Blover : you are right the Boeing 777 is a beautiful and fantastic plane. BUT there are another two BIG bugs at the CS 777.

1.NO VNAV speed intervene
2.NO VNAV altitude intervene

CS doesn't put these two functions into the MCP. For this reason you can't operate the CS 777 MCP like a real 777 MCP. Its working ,yes, you can fly with it ok, it looks like a B777 MCP also ok, but it behave more than a Boeing 737 MCP than a 777 MCP Embarrassed  . Read the B777 FCOM and you know what I mean.

cheers Galskiman


You're right about no altitude intervene, but speed intervene is modeled in Ver 1.2. Just press the center of the speed dial. Hopefully we'll get the altitude intervene function in 1.3.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #155 - Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:51pm
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No, there is no speed intervene. What happens, if you push the speed selector ? The speed tap is moving to the fmc commanded speed (this should be done automatically by the way) , but nothing changes in the FMC. If the speed intervene is used, the fmc must put the selected speed into the FMC as a constrain for the next waypoint. Reducing speed advidsed by the ATC due to traffic for example. The normal speed for the STAR is e.g. 230kts but the ATC slows you down to 200kts.Then you have to use speed intervene. Its not there ,try it.

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #156 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 4:21pm
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Galskiman wrote on Aug 6th, 2013 at 10:51pm:
No, there is no speed intervene. What happens, if you push the speed selector ? The speed tap is moving to the fmc commanded speed (this should be done automatically by the way) , but nothing changes in the FMC. If the speed intervene is used, the fmc must put the selected speed into the FMC as a constrain for the next waypoint. Reducing speed advidsed by the ATC due to traffic for example. The normal speed for the STAR is e.g. 230kts but the ATC slows you down to 200kts.Then you have to use speed intervene. Its not there ,try it.

cheers Galskiman


My understanding of speed intervene and the way I've seen it work on most other models, is that it overrides the FMC speed and is controlled by the Speed knob on the MCP, while remaining in VNAV and that does work.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #157 - Aug 7th, 2013 at 8:42pm
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I tested it again and you are right , I apologize for this. Speed intervene is working correctly.

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #158 - Aug 8th, 2013 at 9:47pm
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Mark Fletcher

I put in the values. And the AP is working nicely now. A had a very flight good flight from KMIA to LSZH

For your information:

The rating of engines in clb throttle make some red values. In retracting the throttle a little makes the autothrottle working "with lesser pressure" on max.

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #159 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:37am
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Julean wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
Mark Fletcher

I put in the values. And the AP is working nicely now. A had a very flight good flight from KMIA to LSZH

For your information:

The rating of engines in clb throttle make some red values. In retracting the throttle a little makes the autothrottle working "with lesser pressure" on max.

Yours

Jens

Take a look at Mark's N2 Fix post in the general section.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #160 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:18am
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tf51d wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:37am:
Julean wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
Mark Fletcher

I put in the values. And the AP is working nicely now. A had a very flight good flight from KMIA to LSZH

For your information:

The rating of engines in clb throttle make some red values. In retracting the throttle a little makes the autothrottle working "with lesser pressure" on max.

Yours

Jens

Take a look at Mark's N2 Fix post in the general section.

It's Rob's (geolpilot) N2 Fix, and you can check it out here: Fix for N2 Red-lining in CS777-200 ER. Wink

Edited:
I'm not meaning any offense to you tf51d, just correcting the name of the person who provided the fix.
  

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #161 - Aug 11th, 2013 at 4:01pm
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Markoz wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:18am:
tf51d wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:37am:
Julean wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
Mark Fletcher

I put in the values. And the AP is working nicely now. A had a very flight good flight from KMIA to LSZH

For your information:

The rating of engines in clb throttle make some red values. In retracting the throttle a little makes the autothrottle working "with lesser pressure" on max.

Yours

Jens

Take a look at Mark's N2 Fix post in the general section.

It's Rob's (geolpilot) N2 Fix, and you can check it out here: Fix for N2 Red-lining in CS777-200 ER. Wink

Edited:
I'm not meaning any offense to you tf51d, just correcting the name of the person who provided the fix.


Ooops! That's what I get posting 3AM in the morning. Sorry Rob (geopilot), no slight intended!!

Thanks for the correction Mark!!
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #162 - Aug 12th, 2013 at 2:20am
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tf51d wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 4:01pm:
Markoz wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 3:18am:
tf51d wrote on Aug 11th, 2013 at 2:37am:
Julean wrote on Aug 8th, 2013 at 9:47pm:
Mark Fletcher

I put in the values. And the AP is working nicely now. A had a very flight good flight from KMIA to LSZH

For your information:

The rating of engines in clb throttle make some red values. In retracting the throttle a little makes the autothrottle working "with lesser pressure" on max.

Yours

Jens

Take a look at Mark's N2 Fix post in the general section.

It's Rob's (geolpilot) N2 Fix, and you can check it out here: Fix for N2 Red-lining in CS777-200 ER. Wink

Edited:
I'm not meaning any offense to you tf51d, just correcting the name of the person who provided the fix.


Ooops! That's what I get posting 3AM in the morning. Sorry Rob (geopilot), no slight intended!!

Thanks for the correction Mark!!

No worries. I've been there and done that! Wink
  

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Reply #163 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 5:42pm
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When I un pause FSX while flying the 777, it pitches up almost ten degrees. Is there a way to fix this.
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #164 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 5:48pm
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yes, I noticed that too, but it does resume the correct altitude.
  

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Reply #165 - Aug 25th, 2013 at 6:09pm
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Fly out of Utah wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 5:48pm:
yes, I noticed that too, but it does resume the correct altitude.


For me I have to direct the plane back to the correct altitude with vertical speed.
  
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Reply #166 - Sep 16th, 2013 at 4:14am
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tyler767l wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 6:09pm:
Fly out of Utah wrote on Aug 25th, 2013 at 5:48pm:
yes, I noticed that too, but it does resume the correct altitude.


For me I have to direct the plane back to the correct altitude with vertical speed.


I fly at work a lot and cannot use a joy stick.  So using FS Passengers, and having to pause is a nightmare because after I unpause, the nose pitches down 9000+ fpm. The passenger start screaming, I start over speeding and a long haul flight on this long haul aircraft, becomes impossible. I love this plane, and just ask for this little fix if possible.
  
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Reply #167 - Sep 19th, 2013 at 5:52pm
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I may have found a work around for the pause issue. Before unpausing the simulator, go to <OPTIONS> menu and choose simulation speed <SLOWEST>. After the Autopilot stabilizes, then resume normal simulation speed and all seems to be working well.  Thnis may work in the mean time before we get a fix.
  
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Reply #168 - Nov 5th, 2013 at 4:40pm
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Hi, yesterday was breezy, cloudy in light rain. A good day to test the capability of the B777 autoland.

After a short flight I came to land at KMIA.   Miami
Wind was 50 degrees off the runway, at 18 gust to 24.
Vref 30/130 Plus 5 for the crosswind plus 6 for the gust. total add on 11
130 + 11   141.

I let it autoland. At 1000, the AP could not stabilize the airplane, lateral, the pitch and the speed were erratic all the way to the treshold.
I decided to go around. No problem from 50', I climbed to 3000 after retracting the gear at 15 flap.

My AP was then non operative I assume beyond end of rte. So I made a large circuit around the aiport to come back and land on the same runway all manual . I used the runway lights for the GS, that was good.
Under 100 I needed full rudder to line up, very little flare, she was down with a touch of aileron.

That airplane should have been able to autoland. The corrections were slow to come and were followed by overcorrections. At the treshold I was at least 1/2 runway over the grass ! ( 75')

Anyone experienced a similar situation ?  Shocked

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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #169 - Nov 9th, 2013 at 1:13pm
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Captain Sim wrote on Jun 7th, 2012 at 12:00am:
Please note - systems debug mode has been removed. Feel free to select any livery or aircraft variation, to reload the 777, to select/save another flight.


The installer on the 777 base, 300, and 400 all triggered my WebRoot to quarantine 4 threats.  CS installers are infected with viruses.  One is a keylogger.

What is this?  I have loyally supported CS since the legendary 727 even in the face of staunch opposition telling me CS products are junk.  I have nearly purchased every non-military (except 737) and this is how i am rewarded?
  
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Reply #170 - Nov 12th, 2013 at 6:49pm
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Don't panic, many esell installers, puts out false positives, due to their copyright protection schemes. That's why they always say disable your AV program before installing. Not all AV software will trigger it, but some do.
  
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Reply #171 - Nov 13th, 2013 at 2:42am
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There have been times when my AV program, Avast Free, has placed the Captain Sim installers in a "Sandbox", where they don't install the product correctly. I learned to disable the shields, install the product, re-enable the shields, and I'm done. If you worry about security, you can close all programs that access the internet during the install process, so your system remains more secure.

Doing a Manual Offline Activation would allow you to disconnect from the internet while you install the product, thereby keeping your computer away from risk of infection from viruses during installation.
  

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Reply #172 - Dec 11th, 2013 at 5:12pm
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BEYOND THIS POINT PLEASE MAKE SURE YOU ARE ON  VERSION 1.3
  
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Re: AUTOPILOT (MCP part only)
Reply #173 - Dec 31st, 2013 at 9:51pm
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I'm clicking on what appears click spots, but nothing happens.  Especially if I am bouncing around in turbulence, click spots don't seem to like to work in this locations. 

Also, sometimes I have to press shift-z to get AP on / off.  I even have to press emergency disconnect all too frequently to try to get it to reset and go on again.