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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #840 - May 8th, 2015 at 2:33am
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triple777 wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:24pm:
thanks ! so you mean is better  to input the ils/hdg before take off? (i was used to change it during fly and probably within 30nm as you suggested)
i will  try!

I have change it before I get within 30nm of the arrival airport. Before the ILS (Localizer) comes alive.

An example: I did a flight to KORD, and the ILS freq/hdg for the runway I had chosen to land on (09L or 09R) did not match the freq/hdg in FSX for the airport. The ILS had come alive, and every time I tried change it, it reset to the freq/hdg from the AIRAC. I had to manually land without the ILS to guide me. I did the flight again, and I changed the ILS freq/hdg before the ILS came alive, and the 777 did an autoland fine on the same runway as I had used on the previous flight.

Here is a list showing the differences (bold) between the ILS freq/hdg according to the FSX map and the Navigraph AIRAC (taken from the runways.db) for KORD:

Runway   Length   Surface  ILS ID   ILS Freq ILS Hdg
14R      12994    Asphalt  IORD     109.750   140 - KORD;3.0;109.75;41.990436;09685;-87.933139;14R;139.3
32L      12994    Asphalt  IRVG     108.950   320 - KORD;0.0;0;41.970084;09685;-87.910234;32L;319.3 no ILS freq/hdg
9R       10127    Asphalt  IMED     111.100   090 - KORD;3.0;110.50;41.983897;07967;-87.918353;09R;089.3
27L      10127    Asphalt  ITSL     111.100   270 - KORD;3.0;110.50;41.983900;07967;-87.889050;27L;269.3
14L      10001    Asphalt  IOHA     110.900   140 - KORD;3.0;110.90;41.998236;10005;-87.910645;14L;139.3
32R      10001    Asphalt  IIDN     110.750   320 - KORD;3.0;110.75;41.981406;10005;-87.891714;32R;
4R       8072     Asphalt  IFJU     110.100   041 - KORD;3.0;110.10;41.953328;08075;-87.899420;04R;041.3
22L      8072     Asphalt  ILQQ     110.100   221 - KORD;3.0;110.10;41.969922;08075;-87.879745;22L;221.3
9L       7955     Asphalt  IJAV     110.500   090 - KORD;3.0;111.75;42.002831;07500;-87.926675;09L;089.3
27R      7955     Asphalt  IIAC     110.500   270 - KORD;3.0;111.75;42.002831;07500;-87.899084;27R;269.3
4L       7497     Asphalt  IHNA     111.300   039 - KORD;0.0;111.30;41.981656;07500;-87.913917;04L;039.3
22R      7497     Asphalt  IRXZ     111.300   219 - KORD;3.0;111.30;41.997536;07500;-87.896372;22R;219.3

So as you can see, if you select one of the ILS runways that have differences, you are not going to be able to align with the ILS unless you change the ILS freq/hdg in the CDU/FMS (NAV RAD page) before the Localizer (ILS) comes alive at about 30nm from KORD!
  

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Reply #841 - Sep 23rd, 2015 at 9:46am
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I am frustrated to hell and back. Here's the history.

Running i72600 3.4 GHz, 8 GB RAM, (clears throat) nVidia Geforce 9600 512 MB (hey I got the rig as an upgrade and had to port over some essentials like the graphics card Embarrassed ), Windows 10.

1. I recently migrated to FSX SE after 8 years of boxed edition sp2 + accel. I had Captain Sim 777 base pack and Expansion running perfectly.

2. After installing FSX SE tried to migrate by simply copying addons  Roll Eyes Obviously not going to work. No guages and landing gear

3. I installed version 1.4 which was the last one I downloaded and she showed up with everything appearing to be okay.

THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING

4. I loaded up a flight Speedbird 2255 EGKK-TBPB FL360 initially using the CS 777-200GE. Everything went smoothly until on the flight route between GIBSO and DAWLY on the UL620 passing FL310, I noticed the aircraft not tracking the center of the magenta line. She was a bit right of center and crabbed ~5 degrees to the right. Within 4 mins later she lost it. She went into a a shallow right bank, departing the flight track completely. This got progressively worse until she was hard stuck in a 30 degree right bank. Not a problem. Use heading select to get her back on track and try LNAV again right? I discovered that ALL LATERAL AUTOPILOT CONTROL WAS NOT FUNCTIONING. Heading hold, heading select and LNAV did nothing to alter the right bank. Hand fly her back to the line, choose direct to the next waypoint on the FMC. Click LNAV again. Nothing! Selecting heading select or heading hold does nothing. The right bank comes right back. Lights on on the MCP, and mode status appears in the MFD but no change in the right bank. I ended up counting 5 right 360's over the english channel. Had to cancel the flight and return her to Gatwick by hand. Not very many happy holiday passengers in the back I can tell you that.

5. A little research online showed there was a version 1.6 which was an update especially for FSX SE. One of the fixes mentioned was "TRK hold issue fixed." Well there you go! There's your problem! Installed the update. Loaded the aircraft same problem.  Sad

6. I wondered if it was a problem with the route so Operations instructed me to fly the aircraft to their maintenance base in Cardiff for a fix. Flew EGKK-EGFF FL120. She followed the route without incident.

7. At Cardiff, technicians discovered another software update that was not done. "FSX-SE-777-Migration.exe" Well we loaded that and we are not even sure if it installed or not because of the cryptic message which looks like this

AND SINCE I CAN'T POST AN IMAGE AS THIS IS MY FIRST MESSAGE - I'll have to say it says "exception caught. Completed, press any key to exit"

8. Flew her back to Gatwick at FL210. Again she tracked the route percectly and heading select vectors worked fine.

9. I have tried EGKK-TBPB no less than 5 times and the same issue happens at the same point. I have even tried a different route KMCO-KJFK and round about above FL300 the same right bank departure happens.

10. What is worse I cannot find ANYTHING ANYWARE on this issue. Surely I cannot be the only one experiencing this problem.

11. So in brief here is the problem summarized. Passing FL300 all lateral navigation modes, LNAV, Heading Hold, Heading Select, becomes unresponsive and the aircraft enters a shallow at first right bank that then proceeds to a 30 degree bank either indefinitely or progressing to 60 degree bank until it noses over.

12. Sent an email to CS on their general email address after searching hopelessly for a means of contacting customer support.

13. I did do a clean uninstall of CS777 and reinstalled. No luck.

14. Did I try the -300 model to see if it does the same thing you say? Well the I loaded -200GE in American Airlines livery and the -300GE in Air New Zealand livery and I had no gauges and landing gear...so  Embarrassed But that's for another forum, right?  Wink

I will appreciate any help and I hope the answer is obvious and I missed something.

Cheers!
  
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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #842 - Sep 28th, 2015 at 10:03am
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Sorry you are having troubles above FL300. I don't know what to say because mine flies fine at all FL, weather it be FL120 or FL380. Undecided

As far as I remember, it's the same in FSX-SE for me.
  

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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #843 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 1:05am
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Markoz wrote on May 8th, 2015 at 2:33am:
triple777 wrote on May 7th, 2015 at 7:24pm:
thanks ! so you mean is better  to input the ils/hdg before take off? (i was used to change it during fly and probably within 30nm as you suggested)
i will  try!

I have change it before I get within 30nm of the arrival airport. Before the ILS (Localizer) comes alive.

An example: I did a flight to KORD, and the ILS freq/hdg for the runway I had chosen to land on (09L or 09R) did not match the freq/hdg in FSX for the airport. The ILS had come alive, and every time I tried change it, it reset to the freq/hdg from the AIRAC. I had to manually land without the ILS to guide me. I did the flight again, and I changed the ILS freq/hdg before the ILS came alive, and the 777 did an autoland fine on the same runway as I had used on the previous flight.

Here is a list showing the differences (bold) between the ILS freq/hdg according to the FSX map and the Navigraph AIRAC (taken from the runways.db) for KORD:

Runway   Length   Surface  ILS ID   ILS Freq ILS Hdg
14R      12994    Asphalt  IORD     109.750   140 - KORD;3.0;109.75;41.990436;09685;-87.933139;14R;139.3
32L      12994    Asphalt  IRVG     108.950   320 - KORD;0.0;0;41.970084;09685;-87.910234;32L;319.3 no ILS freq/hdg
9R       10127    Asphalt  IMED     111.100   090 - KORD;3.0;110.50;41.983897;07967;-87.918353;09R;089.3
27L      10127    Asphalt  ITSL     111.100   270 - KORD;3.0;110.50;41.983900;07967;-87.889050;27L;269.3
14L      10001    Asphalt  IOHA     110.900   140 - KORD;3.0;110.90;41.998236;10005;-87.910645;14L;139.3
32R      10001    Asphalt  IIDN     110.750   320 - KORD;3.0;110.75;41.981406;10005;-87.891714;32R;
4R       8072     Asphalt  IFJU     110.100   041 - KORD;3.0;110.10;41.953328;08075;-87.899420;04R;041.3
22L      8072     Asphalt  ILQQ     110.100   221 - KORD;3.0;110.10;41.969922;08075;-87.879745;22L;221.3
9L       7955     Asphalt  IJAV     110.500   090 - KORD;3.0;111.75;42.002831;07500;-87.926675;09L;089.3
27R      7955     Asphalt  IIAC     110.500   270 - KORD;3.0;111.75;42.002831;07500;-87.899084;27R;269.3
4L       7497     Asphalt  IHNA     111.300   039 - KORD;0.0;111.30;41.981656;07500;-87.913917;04L;039.3
22R      7497     Asphalt  IRXZ     111.300   219 - KORD;3.0;111.30;41.997536;07500;-87.896372;22R;219.3

So as you can see, if you select one of the ILS runways that have differences, you are not going to be able to align with the ILS unless you change the ILS freq/hdg in the CDU/FMS (NAV RAD page) before the Localizer (ILS) comes alive at about 30nm from KORD!


i am guessing this is my problem than. Whenever I try to RNAV GPS or ILS approach into an airport my plane lines up perfectly than decides to turn way off to the side and refuses to land. At first i thought it was an FMC glitch but now i want to load up Flight Sim Commander after a database update and then check their airacs versus the information that the FMC is giving me in the 777.
  
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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #844 - Sep 30th, 2015 at 1:22am
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okay after reading back and seeing your suggestion to put the ILS freq and crs into the NAV/RAD page it seemed to fix my ILS issue with the sudden random turns. I guess i wont trust it to automatically update and just do it by my self.
  
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Reply #845 - Oct 8th, 2015 at 3:36pm
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uriahms wrote on Sep 23rd, 2015 at 9:46am:
I am frustrated to hell and back. Here's the history.

Running i72600 3.4 GHz, 8 GB RAM, (clears throat) nVidia Geforce 9600 512 MB (hey I got the rig as an upgrade and had to port over some essentials like the graphics card Embarrassed ), Windows 10.

1. I recently migrated to FSX SE after 8 years of boxed edition sp2 + accel. I had Captain Sim 777 base pack and Expansion running perfectly.

2. After installing FSX SE tried to migrate by simply copying addons  Roll Eyes Obviously not going to work. No guages and landing gear

3. I installed version 1.4 which was the last one I downloaded and she showed up with everything appearing to be okay.

THIS IS WHERE IT GETS INTERESTING

4. I loaded up a flight Speedbird 2255 EGKK-TBPB FL360 initially using the CS 777-200GE. Everything went smoothly until on the flight route between GIBSO and DAWLY on the UL620 passing FL310, I noticed the aircraft not tracking the center of the magenta line. She was a bit right of center and crabbed ~5 degrees to the right. Within 4 mins later she lost it. She went into a a shallow right bank, departing the flight track completely. This got progressively worse until she was hard stuck in a 30 degree right bank. Not a problem. Use heading select to get her back on track and try LNAV again right? I discovered that ALL LATERAL AUTOPILOT CONTROL WAS NOT FUNCTIONING. Heading hold, heading select and LNAV did nothing to alter the right bank. Hand fly her back to the line, choose direct to the next waypoint on the FMC. Click LNAV again. Nothing! Selecting heading select or heading hold does nothing. The right bank comes right back. Lights on on the MCP, and mode status appears in the MFD but no change in the right bank. I ended up counting 5 right 360's over the english channel. Had to cancel the flight and return her to Gatwick by hand. Not very many happy holiday passengers in the back I can tell you that.

5. A little research online showed there was a version 1.6 which was an update especially for FSX SE. One of the fixes mentioned was "TRK hold issue fixed." Well there you go! There's your problem! Installed the update. Loaded the aircraft same problem.  Sad

6. I wondered if it was a problem with the route so Operations instructed me to fly the aircraft to their maintenance base in Cardiff for a fix. Flew EGKK-EGFF FL120. She followed the route without incident.

7. At Cardiff, technicians discovered another software update that was not done. "FSX-SE-777-Migration.exe" Well we loaded that and we are not even sure if it installed or not because of the cryptic message which looks like this

AND SINCE I CAN'T POST AN IMAGE AS THIS IS MY FIRST MESSAGE - I'll have to say it says "exception caught. Completed, press any key to exit"

8. Flew her back to Gatwick at FL210. Again she tracked the route percectly and heading select vectors worked fine.

9. I have tried EGKK-TBPB no less than 5 times and the same issue happens at the same point. I have even tried a different route KMCO-KJFK and round about above FL300 the same right bank departure happens.

10. What is worse I cannot find ANYTHING ANYWARE on this issue. Surely I cannot be the only one experiencing this problem.

11. So in brief here is the problem summarized. Passing FL300 all lateral navigation modes, LNAV, Heading Hold, Heading Select, becomes unresponsive and the aircraft enters a shallow at first right bank that then proceeds to a 30 degree bank either indefinitely or progressing to 60 degree bank until it noses over.

12. Sent an email to CS on their general email address after searching hopelessly for a means of contacting customer support.

13. I did do a clean uninstall of CS777 and reinstalled. No luck.

14. Did I try the -300 model to see if it does the same thing you say? Well the I loaded -200GE in American Airlines livery and the -300GE in Air New Zealand livery and I had no gauges and landing gear...so  Embarrassed But that's for another forum, right?  Wink

I will appreciate any help and I hope the answer is obvious and I missed something.

Cheers!


Greetings, I'm wondering if you have located a solution to this as I am having the exact same problem. If you have a solution could you kindly share? Thank you.  Smiley
  
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Reply #846 - Oct 9th, 2015 at 11:36am
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I may have found something.

I noticed that I was using the wrong AIRAC. PFPX was updated but I had the update for the 777 going to the wrong folder. So I corrected this.

Next I changed a setting in the FMC. Clicking the Menu key I found settings for EFIS CTL and EFIS DSP. I changed both from ON to OFF. I don't know exactly what these options do. This is where a proper manual would be handy

Last I input both departure and arrival procedures on the ground before takeoff. This is not how I am accustomed to doing it but I gave it a try.

Result the aircraft followed the route in the FMC fairly flawlessly although it would not engage heading select, it stuck to the lnav route. Hope this helps you.
  
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Reply #847 - Oct 10th, 2015 at 12:02am
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Does not follow LNAV after approaching crz altitude (FSX boxed).  Will not follow heading SEL either.  e.g.  with a crz ALT of 310 it will continue on in a straight line ignoring course.  LNAV, VNAV AP etc. all lights on.  When this happens I can use the yolk to turn the AC back to course and/or change ALT without disengaging the AP... is that supposed to work that way???  I don't remember it working like that; I remember the yolk NOT being able to steer or clb/des the AC when AP is engaged.

I went back to v1.4 and it does the same thing (I've had the 777 since it came out) .  Re-installed 1.6 = same.  Re-installed again = same problem.

Yes, I disable AV/Firewall when DL'ing and installing and create exceptions for the FSX drive.

Tried EFIS and DSP control both ON and OFF = same problem.

Re-calibrated my CH yolk/Quadrant/rudder both in WIN and in FSUIPC = same problem.

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FSX on its own SSD and WIN7/64 PRO

This problem started after a completely fresh re-install of FSX and my many payware addons caused by a disappointing stint with WIN10pro; it was a complete format and re-install of everything!!!  Great fun!!!

I did a ticket with CS.

Thanks,
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Reply #848 - Oct 10th, 2015 at 2:16am
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FNLU99 wrote on Oct 10th, 2015 at 12:02am:
Does not follow LNAV after approaching crz altitude (FSX boxed).  Will not follow heading SEL either.  e.g.  with a crz ALT of 310 it will continue on in a straight line ignoring course.  LNAV, VNAV AP etc. all lights on.  When this happens I can use the yolk to turn the AC back to course and/or change ALT without disengaging the AP... is that supposed to work that way???  I don't remember it working like that; I remember the yolk NOT being able to steer or clb/des the AC when AP is engaged.

I went back to v1.4 and it does the same thing (I've had the 777 since it came out) .  Re-installed 1.6 = same.  Re-installed again = same problem.

Yes, I disable AV/Firewall when DL'ing and installing and create exceptions for the FSX drive.

Tried EFIS and DSP control both ON and OFF = same problem.

Re-calibrated my CH yolk/Quadrant/rudder both in WIN and in FSUIPC = same problem.

Running i7 2700k @ 4.2 GHZ/GTX670/16GB RAM very rare VAS problems.
FSX on its own SSD and WIN7/64 PRO

This problem started after a completely fresh re-install of FSX and my many payware addons caused by a disappointing stint with WIN10pro; it was a complete format and re-install of everything!!!  Great fun!!!

I did a ticket with CS.

Thanks,
Walter

Did you install using the "Run as administrator" option (right click on the installer and select "Run as administrator" from the list that pops up)?

Also. Try running FSX using the "Run as administrator" option too.
You can set it so that FSX will always run as an administrator by right clicking on the fsx.exe (found in the root FSX folder), select the compatibility tab, then select Always run this program as an administrator (see image below).



Your problems might also be being caused if FSX is installed in the default location. i.e. C:\Program Files or C:\Program Files (x86) directories.
  

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Reply #849 - Jan 20th, 2016 at 10:18pm
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I just purchased the 777-200 and expansions and I'm having trouble learning the FMC. I downloaded the 777 updates for each model and now the tutorial manual on the practice flight doesn't seem to follow the FMC. Is there a newer tutorial to download? This one is from Aaron Graham 2014 rev 1.1. (I could not figure out how to post a new topic so I used the reply button. Sorry if I screwed up). I forgot to list what doesn't work in the tutorial:
on page 7 it says to enter a value of 9450 kgs of fuel into the right and left wing tanks but doesn't say how or where, on page 8 section1. My FSXSE doesn't have a gate E20 so I'm trying B20 which is a "heavy gate"; on page 8 section 2, it says to enter "UM133" as our flight plan, I get an invalid entry; on page 9 section 3, says to enter 176.3 for gross weight but again I get an invalid entry. I check the weights in FSX (aircraft fuel payload section) per the tutorial but not convert toa number such as 176.3 etc. I'm looking on youtube for some video to teach the FMC. Thanks.
  
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Is there a newer tutorial to download? This one is from Aaron Graham 2014 rev 1.1.
Not that I know of.

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(I could not figure out how to post a new topic so I used the reply button. Sorry if I screwed up).
You can't start a new Topic/Thread until you have reached 10 posts.

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on page 7 it says to enter a value of 9450 kgs of fuel into the right and left wing tanks but doesn't say how or where, on page 8 section1.
Menu > Aircraft > Fuel and Payload > Change Fuel. Make sure you checkmark the box for Display fuel quantity as weight. Simply type in 9450 in the "Pounds", or "Kilograms" column.

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My FSXSE doesn't have a gate E20 so I'm trying B20 which is a "heavy gate"
If the person writing the tutorial uses a third party Airport addon, then this is a common problem. You did the right thing by selecting a different "heavy gate".

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on page 8 section 2, it says to enter "UM133" as our flight plan, I get an invalid entry
I'll have to check up on that, because I never had that problem when I did the tutorial. I will edit this post, once I check up on it.

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Your weight might be configured a little differently. Go to Menu > Aircraft > Fuel and Payload, then look at the Gross Weight figure. If it shows, for example, 176315 as the gross weight of the 777, then I would enter 176.3 for the gross weight. I round the decimal digit UP, not down, which would be 176.3, which might be your problem.

  

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Thanks for your help. I did a youtube search for the CS cdu\fmc and the closest I found was for other 777 fmc. so I'll try that. 176.3 also says invalid entry. Just found this youtube video for the fmc: can't post it yet sorry it's by geolpilot
  
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Jammerjonn wrote on Jan 24th, 2016 at 1:43am:
Thanks for your help. I did a youtube search for the CS cdu\fmc and the closest I found was for other 777 fmc. so I'll try that. 176.3 also says invalid entry. Just found this youtube video for the fmc: can't post it yet sorry it's by geolpilot

Just select LSK5L (beside <REQUEST) and it will automatically fill in the details for the GROSS WT and ZFW for you. Then all you will need to enter on the PERF INIT page, is the RESERVES, the CRZ ALT, and the COST INDEX.

Note. It is possible that you are adding 9450 POUNDS in the fuel quantity, and not 9450 KILOGRAMS! To change it into Kilograms (Metric), Menu > Options > Settings > General, and in the International section, change the Units of measure: to Hybrid (feet, milibars). I do not recommend selecting Metric (Meters, milibars). Then on the 777 CDU, click on MENU > SETUP (LSK6R) > SELECT WEIGHT UNITS (LSK3L) to switch it from pounds to kilograms.
  

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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #853 - Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:08pm
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Well, here I am back again and still with the same AP problem as I had back in 10/2015, the date of my last post above. cs777 still not following FP after reaching ~FL300 after 3 re-installs of v1.6 on 200, 300 and freighter.  I've been programing the cs777 FMC since it came out and never had this problem till a re-install of everything (complete FSX) back in 09/2015.

FSX is on its own SSD and I always run as admin and UAC is off.

An interesting side note is that since the CS767 was on sale in the beginning of Janurary I bought that along with the tanker and AWACS versions.  needless to say... the very same thing happens with the 767 AP.

It seems there has to be some common factor between the two that is causing this problem.    

Is there an xml somewhere that could have bad syntax?  All of the nav files seem to be intact in both cases.

I am at a total loss...

Walter
  
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Re: FMC (incl LNAV, VNAV)
Reply #854 - Feb 1st, 2016 at 7:25pm
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Well, here I am back again and still with the same AP problem as I had back in 10/2015, the date of my last post above. cs777 still not following FP after reaching ~FL300 after 3 re-installs of v1.6 on 200, 300 and freighter.  I've been programing the cs777 FMC since it came out and never had this problem till a re-install of everything (complete FSX) back in 09/2015.

FSX is on its own SSD and I always run as admin and UAC is off.

An interesting side note is that since the CS767 was on sale in the beginning of Janurary I bought that along with the tanker and AWACS versions.  needless to say... the very same thing happens with the 767 AP.

It seems there has to be some common factor between the two that is causing this problem.    

Is there an xml somewhere that could have bad syntax?  All of the nav files seem to be intact in both cases.

I am at a total loss...


Addition to above:  AP, LNAV and VNAV lights remain on  when AP quits following FP.

Thanks,
Walter
  
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