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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #30 - May 14th, 2012 at 3:05pm
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I do not see this NAV/GPS switch on my panel in the place the manual says it should be.  It seems to be missing altogether.  Is it hidden somewhere else?
  
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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #31 - May 14th, 2012 at 3:12pm
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Just above the (three) marker lamps, Tim. The label is wrong though, it doesn't read nav/gps switch. Perhaps that's the thing tricking you.
  
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Reply #32 - May 14th, 2012 at 7:57pm
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Here is an image to show where it is.

The info can be found on the ‘737 Captain’ FLIGHT MANUAL Part II – Aircraft Systems (csx737_manual2.pd) pages 13 & 54.

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CS737_NAV_GPS_switch.jpg (Attachment deleted)

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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #33 - May 19th, 2012 at 9:46pm
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Am I correct that this feature works like the FSNavigator "fly flightplan" toggle? In other words it's not necessarily following a "GPS flightplan" but rather, following the loaded FSX flightplan, whether it was saved as Direct, VOR, or whatever.

If that's an accurate description, then I think it's innacurate to say that if you use this you are not navigating realistically. You can fly a perfectly realistic VOR or Hi Altitude airway flightplan and use this feature which is very handy when you want to step away from your PC for a time.

I don't see how letting the sim take over for a few minutes is any less realistic than pausing the sim  Wink

Considering this is a pc simulation, and not everyone can sit at their pc for 4 hours at a time, I think it's very practical feature that all developers should include (most of them do) on classic non-FMC aircraft.
  

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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #34 - May 19th, 2012 at 10:10pm
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bud7h7 wrote on May 19th, 2012 at 9:46pm:
Am I correct that this feature works like the FSNavigator "fly flightplan" toggle? In other words it's not necessarily following a "GPS flightplan" but rather, following the loaded FSX flightplan, whether it was saved as Direct, VOR, or whatever.

If that's an accurate description, then I think it's innacurate to say that if you use this you are not navigating realistically. You can fly a perfectly realistic VOR or Hi Altitude airway flightplan and use this feature which is very handy when you want to step away from your PC for a time.

I don't see how letting the sim take over for a few minutes is any less realistic than pausing the sim  Wink

Considering this is a pc simulation, and not everyone can sit at their pc for 4 hours at a time, I think it's very practical feature that all developers should include (most of them do) on classic non-FMC aircraft.


It is not realistic in any way for this aircraft to follow a GPS. This Aircraft never came out with GPS, since it was built in the sixties, there was no such thing. This aircraft as said many times is not meant to do anything but follow the VOR or NDB which it is modeled for (-100 & -200 series). The only reason it has this basic GPS is that Captain sim put it in for those who who need  help learning VOR navigation as a visual AID. So realistically speaking, the aircraft does do what it is intended to do, fly VOR's & NDB's. Sorry to tell you but starting a 4 hour flight and walking away from the Simulator is not realistic either.  I hope you can enjoy this aircraft for what it is, a CLASSIC. Wink Grin
  

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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #35 - May 20th, 2012 at 12:04am
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I see you quoted me, but did you actually read my post? To clarify, yes it's unrealistic to actually sit there and "fly" with this feature enabled. But to enable it so you can leave the pc while the aircraft stays on course should not be translated as flying a classic incorrectly. It simply allows you to leave the sim if you need to, rather than pause the flight.

A switch like this one was also on the DF 727 and other classics. It has nothing to do with making the aircraft GPS capable, and it doesn't have to be defined as an "aid" for less experienced simmers - I've been flying VOR/NDB in FS since 1999, and absolutely would not add a GPS to this aircraft.

Correct me if I'm wrong, since I haven't tried using it yet, but all this switch does is follow the flightplan, it is not adding a GPS to the aircraft! And if that's the case, then just because the aircraft is following the plan automatically does not equate with GPS navigation.

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Sorry to tell you but starting a 4 hour flight and walking away from the Simulator is not realistic either.


That's absurd. I look at it this way. If I need to leave the cockpit, then the first officer has the aircraft. And this toggle switch is my first officer in that situation.
Have you ever flown heavy iron? It's perfectly realistic and common for a pilot / FO to step out of the flightdeck. And there's no pause switch in a real aircraft.
  

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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #36 - May 20th, 2012 at 12:34am
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[quote author=bud7h7 link=1334992917/30#35 date=1337472264]I see you quoted me, but did you actually read my post?   Cry 

Been in many jets since the late '70's, only seen one pilot leave the cockpit in flight, to go to the bathroom for 10 minutes.
  

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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #37 - May 20th, 2012 at 1:03pm
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I also often leave the cockpit for a while and my "virtual FO" takes over from me. Now if that means that the GPS covers the gap for my pretending he is following the VOR to VOR route, then that's fine by me.

You need to remember that we all take the realism of FSX to whichever level we choose. So if we choose to use the GPS, real or not, we choose to use it. I choose to use it if I want to. Wink

The way it works is fairly simple. It follows the plan waypoint to waypoint. It does not care whether those waypoints are VOR, NDB Intersections, Fixes or just a spot where we create a user waypoint on the map. So it follows whatever plan we load into the sim.

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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #38 - May 21st, 2012 at 1:00am
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Markoz wrote on May 20th, 2012 at 1:03pm:
You need to remember that we all take the realism of FSX to whichever level we choose. So if we choose to use the GPS, real or not, we choose to use it. I choose to use it if I want to.


One point I was trying to make is that the term "use the GPS" would in fact suggest unrealistic navigation in the 732, but using this particular switch does not add GPS capability to the airctaft. Merely allowing FS to following the flightpath is not GPS navigation. There is no Global Positioning SYSTEM in use, it's nothing more than FS keeping the aircraft on path. It could actually be called "rail mode".

If someone actually flies this way, of course it's unrealistic. And frankly, it would be unrealistic even if you had a GPS installed. There's much more to GPS navigation than simply not using radio NAV.

But to switch to this mode so you can go make a cup of coffee or whatever, hardly makes your simming any less realistic than pausing the sim or even using 2x, 4x, etc. It's really more of a FS feature than an aircraft feature.

  

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Re: 737-200 v1.0 and GPS Flight Plans
Reply #39 - Oct 5th, 2021 at 4:36pm
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Yes it's a cheat, but I value being able to "set it and forget it."....The one thing that discourages me from being a real pilot, is hours of just sitting there...In flightsim, I can go out and do things while in cruise....this is a huge advantage...I understand why the switch isnt labled, it would kill the realism for people who want authenticity...I'm just glad it's there...what ticks me off is that the nav/gps did not respond to my key setting...so it took me until reading this post to find out where it was.
  
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